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Why I've become disenchanted....

So I havent posted here in several months. I figured instead of sitting around talking with you sheeple on this site, I'd go ahead and get ready for the Kentucky Primary. So far, after talking to coworkers, and friends, and neighbors and informing them about Ron Paul, some have pledged to vote for him as a moral obligation, others feel like if they vote for him, they are wasting a vote.

Thats fine, ppl are allowed to make their own decisions based on what information is infront of them. You can't make someone go against thier personal opinions.

You may say, this doesn't sound like someone who is disenchanted. Well, to your standards, it is.

Ron Paul has publically said that he can't win this race. Infact, vegas odds makers say that Hillary Clinton has the same chance of getting the nomination as Ron Paul (In each of thier respective parties). The odds for that are next to none. RP has also said that he is not abandoning his campaign in hopes to educate America and raise awareness on the problems we face. When John McInsane was corinated as the Presumptive GOP nominee, you may have noticed that Ron Paul began to get more and more MSM media coverage. More interviews, more spotlight, more of everything we needed, however we could have used it more about 6-8 months ago.

You still may ask, how have you become disenchated...

Let me explain.

It's evident that us Ron Paul supporters have money. Its no secret. Look how much we've given him. When people start shelling out big bucks, predators always arise.

I dont want to use this as an primary example, because there are many more out there, but it came to a point to where I came to this board and probably half of the posts were wanting me to donate to this fund, or that fund and while I know that all of our blimps, race cars, limos, need money to fund them, I have to ask myself... Does this help out, more than canvassing?

Answer: No.

It seemed as if everytime I went to my regular message boards, someone always wanted money out of me, or the other readers, for some crazy innovative grassroots campaign idea. Don't worry, I have plenty of money, but why would I donate to some sketchy looking website with little or no promise to even do what you say you were going to do (i.e. Ron paul racing).

Also, while I'm all for Grassroots support and I think we have a great thing going for us... Our grassroots, have been uprooted by a certain few individuals who believe they can spearhead the revolution with their own blessing. They put a "Dr." infront of thier name, and they can't tell us if they are a Psy Ed, a MD, PhD or even what college they are alumni. While this may seem irrelavant to some, to others, it presents a credability gap. Espicially when you clash with the original leaders of this movement such as Alex Jones. Others want to use the internet for other counterproductive measures such as organizing your own march on washington. While I did plan on going to the march in June, I have become so disenchanted with all of the other unofficial marches, that this seems irrelavant at this point. The mafia that runs our government could careless where we protest, whether its on thier front door steps, or in our back yard. They have their own agenda, and if they cared about what the people thought, we wouldnt have a war, a huge deficit, crazy gas prices, and the price food skyrocking. The only protest that is viable right now is electing each one of us to congress to fix this debacle. These career politicians need to be ousted and the only REAL protest we can have is registering to run for congress ourselves and ousting these career politicians and exercising the RP platform in congress ourselves. A real protest happens at the polling stations, not in Washington.

I think there are alot of ppl who spread bad information and want your money around here. If you feel like you in agreement with me, I hope you also agree with the next statement:

So here I am, a rouge, independent Ron Paul Supporter working on my own agenda, not anyone elses. Why give anymore money?

TIME = Money

and the more time you spend on this, the better off we will be in the long run.

No, I'm not a Paulite, a Paultard or anything of the sort. I'm a supporter. If you must label me, call me a Rouge Ron Paul supporter. I plan on running for Congress in the future. I hope you support me and think independently as I do.




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Well this post needs to be brought back.

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The message...

...seems to have reached you.

Get involved.

That's as simple as it gets, and is at the core of solution to the problems we face. Your direct involvement with the political and government processes will be the ONLY way we fix the problems our country faces.

Good luck with your run for Congress. I'm considering running for office locally myself. Time will tell.

Your post = A waste of my time

Firstly, I'm no sheeple and neither are most of the regulars of this website. You know nothing of the activities of this individual members of this group so don't assume.

Secondly, I gave money because I wanted to not because someone asked me to. I never felt I was being "bombarded" with money requests. If you did, that is your problem.

Thirdly, I don't understand why people gave the other "Dr.", real or not (who cares? more than a passing glance. If you found his time worth something great, if not why continue in his world? So what if he asks for money. He can ask for anything he wants. I don't care.

Fourthly, Alex Jones is NOT an original leader in this movement -- Sam Adams, Paul Revere, Tom Paine -- those men are the original leaders of MY movement. We must be supporting different things.

Lastly, you're going to run for Congress sometime in the "future". Yea, sure. What are you doing NOW besides coming around here a throwing a little hissy fit -- very constructive. We know what works because we read posts from successful Ron Paul supporters like the ones in Fairfield, Iowa, Spokane, Washington, and Juniata County, Pennsylvania, etc.. But, hey, you haven't been around much have you?

I don't need to label you. I don't care enough about you to do so.
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Lisa C.

www.women4ronpaul.com

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so

So your a Ron Paul supporter who wears rouge. Or would you mean rogue. Yea be careful who you give money to, it could even go to McCain.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

natch

Fortune Favors the Bold

Heh... Well, capitalism does breed opportunists. Having been around the "movement" scene,I would say this one is alot more serious,alot more credible,and a heckuva alot less corrupt the most "movements."

People remain people, with all their complex flaws no matter what cause you rally to. Also, there is alot of diversity here, alot of very different individuals. It will be a challenge to maintain this coalition after the Ron Paul Presidential campaign ends.

I think it will be done though.

Fortune Favors the Bold

Fellow Kentuckian.

Thank you for this post. Where are you from exactly? Our district is this saturday in bowling green and I am luckily a delegate.. Try to lighten up on the sheeple comments btw. Fellow DP users are ahead of the curve or they wouldn't be here.

We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?

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i am a kook

so was Einstein...Jesus......the Wright Brothers.....

I must be a Paultard, Paulite, and a supporter like you.

Thanks for the input and I guess i could put together my own forum as to why I have become disenchated.

But not because anyone asked for money, because everything costs these days, but because of the enormous ego throughout this campaign.

Don't get me wrong I have been fortunate to meet some very nice people, but you used to always think in terms of one bad apple and now it seems our world is infested with rotten apples and we inevitably are searching for those good apples in the case.

I am not running for congress so I can say that.

Just so you know:

I agree with you whole-heartedly in some ways, disagree on some minor generalizations, but can understand your sentiment. Your post brightened an otherwise horrible day. I wish you luck in your Congressional bid. You may want to (if you have not already) look to Dr. Paul for a potential endorsement. I realize this runs against some of what you have already professed in your post, however it would also be a great help in your campaign. Even the most well-meaning campaign is still about recognition and getting the word out :)

A candidate can count themselves lucky if they have even one supporter such as yourself.

(As for the disagreement: I believe that long-running projects did have a positive impact on the campaign. When there were 1-2 radio stations and a few concentrated forums/meetup resources, it was a good $/result ratio. These projects started almost a year ago, though, before the "movement" swelled in size and scope. Now, imo, we are seeing scavengers picking at what's left and trying to drain this cash cow of all it's worth.)

Here's a tip:

Don't call the people whom you want to support you "sheeple".

Funny it's

the same way NotOverYet adressed DP's. And funny there is also the bold way of using bold ant that idiosyncratic ppl.

Dr. Paul cured my apathy

Ron Paul was right

THE DISENCHANTMENT OF THE CONVENTIONAL MINDSET

That is precisely what this stage of the rEVOLution is about. Our magic is MIND over matter. One mind at a time…..starting with our own.
Ours is nothing slight of hand. Reciting their incantations, or imitating their legerdemain is not our act. THEIR tricks are done with mirrors and smoke.

There will be no levitation of our ideals without concentration.

With open eyes the transformation will be AMAZING !

--- You are my kind of wizard.

“… and therewith Merlin cast an enchantment on the knight, so that he fell to the earth in a great sleep. Then Merlin took up King Arthur and set him on his horse. “Alas!” said Arthur, “what hast thou done, Merlin? hast thou slain this good knight by thy crafts?”
“Care ye not,” said Merlin; “he is wholer than ye be. He is only asleep, and will wake …..”

I found myself thinking the same thing

about the stage the revolution is in you can feel it morphing. everything else made my head spin..it made much sense....lol like the original poster I too am becoming dissenchanted. The revolution will roll through many people's and live on in their communities strong and growing for centuries to come. I am quickly seeing that just supporting Ron Paul does not unite us all. I was niave to think so. I wonder if this movement will just pass me right by or catch me up and sweep me away. Today I am unsure just like you. I think it takes alittle time and I am willing to wait it out before becoming disenchanted and walking away. Thanks to Dr. Paul for giving me the message and introducing me to a whole way of life.

"...the most memorable concern of mankind
is the guts it takes to
face the sunlight again."-Charles Bukowski

yay someone who feels the

yay someone who feels the same way i do. Though i do have a feeling that neither you or me are alone in the way we feel by a longshot. there are always going to be those individuals tha either seek or somehow attain attention, popularity, promise of fortune or at least fortunate prospects... which end up benefiting them personally far more than the cause they support.

the reason why the money thing was such a popular option for people to pursue? i think the ugly truth is that its far more convenient for most of us to just give our money to support our cause with a simple 'click here to pay' button rather than go out and make an effort to change peoples minds face to face. so while We're breaking big records for 24 hour fundraising goals, no one is really learning who ron paul is, at least not your everyday, run of the mill, media-controlled voter.

If you ask me, Ron had the most marketable name, tagline/slogan in politics that ive come across. we went underground and tried to be viral and to a large degree that was successful to all of us internet / tech nerds. But my god, if a good marketing firm got a hold of RP's campaign and worked on a national marketing campaign like lets say you might have for a movie or a video game or any other big, heavily anticipated product, RP couldnt have been denied attention. it would have made 'obamamania' look like a childs play joke. Instead, RP's campaign portrayed him as an old tired white man from TEXAS! his brand potential was poprocks and soda pop and yet he got stamped as kelloggs corn flakes. If there was any grass roots money going anywhere, it literally should have went to a professional team that knows how to sell products on a national scale.

and now were going to have to settle for empty food shelves and nuclear fallout instead. yaaay.

disenchanted.

Instead, RP's campaign

Instead, RP's campaign portrayed him as an old tired white man from TEXAS! his brand potential was poprocks and soda pop and yet he got stamped as kelloggs corn flakes.

Or Kellogg's All-Bran, more like.

The ads were devastatingly bad, from what I saw. Very little anti-war or pro-constitution message, but lots and lots about his qualifications, his anti-illegal immigration stance (which every other GOP candidate shared--and which were irrelevant to voters in New Hampshire!), and the fact that he was in the military once.

It was almost like watching a campaign commercial for George Herbert Walker Bush.

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Don't waste your vote.

You never waste a vote if you vote for what is right.

Vote Your Conscience

Every election year we hear "A vote for so & so is a vote for so& so", "Actually, Id vote for so& so- but they cant win" "Dont waste your vote". We need to really ask ourselves where we get those ideas and who plants them. Recently a video hit youtube by a guy backed by about 5 minutes worth of research. He looked at Google trends. In this case- the information- which reflects web trends- clearly shows that Ron Paul's popularity was in no way reflective of the media marginalisation that was justified because of his supposed lack of popularity, In fact it showed the polar opposite. We know that Diebold is unreliable, we know that the polls were rigged we all watched the debates. So the bottom line is that like children , we need to have what we beleive validated by the media. We all know its agenda based lies- and we complain that OTHER people are beleiving the lies and ruining it for us. That the media props these people up -regardless of the reality of popularity to the point where we ourselves are tempted to "vote the lesser of 2 evils". If we'd all just vote our goddamned conscience even if it DOES result in the worse of 2 evils being elected at least you can sleep knowing that all those times in gradeschool when you held your hand on your heart pledging your allegience- you actually made GOOD on that pledge. and if everyone in America voted their conscience- just fu*king ONCE regardless of what the media told you when it got you at home all alone at the end of a long day with its continuous stream of deception convincing you that you were the only person in America that feels the way you do-until you join what they want you to beleive is a winning team- we could get Ron Paul in with a few votes to spare. The most American thing you can do is vote your conscience and let the polls be damned.

And to the furnace with the LIEBOLD machines, AMEN

BTW John Q Adams would agree with you:
" Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."
I will be voting my conscience in November, just as I did for the primaries.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

I wish you all the best ..........

........... on your future Congressional run easyfnmoney.

The sooner more people follow your lead, the sooner you can take back control from the neo-cons who have hijacked your government and ruined your country.

“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul

“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul