Crowds of between 10,000 and 30,000 rallied against the Iraq War yesterday. Ron Paul was in Iowa schmoozing donors.
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still waiting............................
i'm still waiting
i'm still waiting for a report on the des moines rally. somebody in here must have been there, so, how did it go? fill us in with the details.
He needs donors, too
Why insult him? He needs to do as best as he can in Iowa, and he needs big Republican donors to back him. We know he's not "schmoozing" donors in the way other candidates are (backroom deals, promising Cabinet posts, etc.) so why the negativity?
The Meetup groups can attend anti-war rallies in his stead, but they can't show up and greet Republican donors.
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Ron was in Iowa because...
That's where more work is needed. In NH the ratio of people who can fan out with the various coalitions is higher. We have a great org here and without any TV or Radio Ads we've hit the 7.4% mark due to all the hard work of the people, including the ones you saw in the ad that we all hope is pulled from YouTube soon. We just have to convince Independents in NH that voting for a Democrat will NOT end the war. Even my liberal friends visiting from California agree with me on that. For once they are not making fun of my Republican candidate. They are not peaceniks either, they realize there are times when you must go to war and that you must have strong defense. They know Ron is no hippie.
Why was RP in Iowa Oct 27?
I for one am delighted that Dr. Paul didn't show up at the anti-war rally. There is so much hatred and venom at those things, plus the people that the media tend to show are the "weirdos" and often the most hateful people. The Paul campaign does not need to be associated with those folks. Mother Teresa, I believe, had it figured out. When asked why she didn't appear at anti-war demonstrations, she said, "I will never do that, but as soon as you have a pro-peace rally, I'll be there."
I like that Mother Teresa
I like that Mother Teresa quote, I'd never heard it before. Thanks!
As the "Good Book" says...
"Those who are not ill do not need a physician."-- Jesus (great line for the campaign...lol).
The Anti-War people are no doubt aware or supportive of Ron, why beat the drum there?! Go where support is still needed, especially knowing the battleground that Iowa will represent in the primaries.
any news?
doesnt anyone have any news of how the rally in des moines went? how many people showed up? any video? any msm press there?. its great to hear the turnout in ames but he had another rally in des moines. who went, wheres the report? inquiring minds need to know.lol
If it makes you guys feel
If it makes you guys feel any better, Ron Paul did talk against the war in his speech in Ames Iowa Friday. Also the rally's organizers expected 300 to attend and got about 650.
The anti-war demonstations attracted people who are ALREADY against the war. Maybe RP's speech convinced some new people to be against the war with his well thought out arguments.
By going to Iowa, Ron Paul avoided getting lumped in, by the media, with some of the more outrageous-looking protestors who would turn off many voters. Im sure even the most creative and angry anti-war protestor would prefer a peace candidate got elected in 2008.
Is this a critque?
Whoa now... He was in Iowa, a key state, trying to put together a coalition of supporters. He was on a University campus visiting with students. He was at a Pastors meeting which could prove to be very successful. Not all Christians are mindless drones. Meeting with pastors personally can be a very effective tool considering there are segments of the religious population that aren't all neo-con religious war Bushies. As far as "schmoozing" donors, I hope so. We need all of the financial support we can get. Minus the video/audio advertising this campaign has been very successful in its cross country strategy.
The "anti-war" rallies went on without Ron Paul, and I hope they continue without his presence. These are the type of events where American individuals must do their part to protect liberty. It shouldn't require the presence of one particular man.
As far as strategy, it is more effective to talk one on one with possible influential supporters like pastors and students who will talk to others on a personal level instead of attending a rally and allowing the Media take a picture and say what ever they want about you. What would that really do. People will view the "news" and still say, "Look, there's that crazy 'anti-war' Republican again." If it even makes any news at all.
If this effort doesn't result in a win at the caucus, which its still possible, a coalition in Iowa is extremely important.
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he was doing more than
he was doing more than talking to pastors, he held two rallies and a couple private dinners at $500 a head. Showing up at an anti war protest isnt going to win too many "republican" votes.
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you
you might be very surprised.. lots of us republicans hate what the republican party has become and feel the only time war is justified is when the contitnental united states is being invaded..THEN EVERY ONE GOES! trust me there are many republicans who hate what bush and his cronies have done!
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Why was Ron Paul In IA? Because...
... he was at a Pastor's forum in a key early battle state. At the end of the day The anti-war protesting crowd is not going to win us the republican nomination. As much as they are anti-war they will still vote democrat regardless. Its the Christian right base that will help us win the nomination. Which is exactly why it was incredibly smart for Ron Paul to be in Iowa courting voters much more likely to vote for him in an early state than prancing around san francisco. In fact he was courting voters we have been posting about needing to court for a long time. In a key state at that! What more can you ask for?
Seriously Guys there is way too much negativity on here ever since huckabee hired 300 bloggers. Coincidence? I report you decide
300+ Hired Bloggers
Thats right guys, we have 300+ bloggers trying to mix things up with us. Remember we have united for one common cause.......FREEDOM! REAL FREEDOM! This scum thats trying to mix things up will stand out like a sore thumb if we let them. When they do we will attack and show the world who they are. So lets keep our eye on the ball (Ron Paul's election) and call out the bad guys when they show themselves and believe me they always do!
BIG RON PAUL HUGS!
its funny
I read an article that Huckster huckabee had hired 260 bloggers to make trouble.. its funny less then 24 hours later you see these blogs show up and comments on this site that say they changed their mind and are not votitng for Ron Paul.. especially when we never had any comments like it before.. plus their memberships here are only a day old LOL. Huckster is trying to vie for the VP and either romney or thompson are going threw him to make trouble.. that way nothing sticks to myth romney or more likely the cross dresser julie-annie! man these people are scared of RON PAUL... I LOVE IT!!!!!!!
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dante - 2 weeks 4 days
What were you doing before then?
Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
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It was designed to take the government
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Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
Dogster- 25 weeks
I wasn't accusing you... I apologize if it came across that way. I've been leaving a similar quote on the bottom of several of my posts today as I feel that the blog has taken a turn for the worse in the past couple days. I honestly think its bc the fundraising online isn't going as well as we hoped and there hasn't been an official email from the campaign in over a week now. We need those messages to keep going.
What do you think of my response to why RP should have been in IA?
I think it is bad strategy
I think it is bad strategy to pursue the Christian right, especially quietly. I think they are in favor of a holy war and will support a pro-war candidate. However, RP is a wise and wily politician, so I'll just leave it at raising the question.
I do feel that he needs name recognition more than anything else, right now.
Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
I respectfully disagree...
... Going after the Christian right from the top down is the wrong course of action. We are in agreement there. The few leaders at the top are loving their "holy war" However the majority of the Christian right hates bloodshed especially un warranted like Iraq and believes in the just war theory that Ron Paul preaches.
I know I attend probably the largest "Christian Right" church in Chicago and almost every Sunday the pastor prays for an end to the bloodshed and the war and for all the Iraqis affected. He is definitely not a "holy war" proponent. Not only that he decries the lack of personal liberties that this country is now facing.
Ron Paul appears to be going after the pastors of churches and doing a bottom up or grassroots approach that will ensnare a lot of voters. I think he is being a wise and wily politician by following this course of action.
I think its brilliant.
dante
As a Christian, I completely agree with you. I think it is fantastic that Ron Paul is meeting with pastors. Pastors influence a LOT of other people, make no mistake about it.
And Ron Paul is so excellent in these types of situations, where there is give and take, and time to expand on ideas like the rule of law, obeying the Constitution, the proper limits of government, etc. And boy, these pastors need to hear from him, too. All GOOD!
negative land
What's up with all of the negativity here lately? I come here to get motivated and instead find myself arguing an yet another internal debate. Now, I'm not about to bury my head in the sand, and certainly debate is necessary and healthy, but this kind of nit picking and constantly questioning the decisions of the campaign is beginning to worry me.
I don't think creating a rift between the volunteers and the officials is going to help us at this point. This is the Ron Paul show. Many of us will agree with him %100. I agree with him %90. A vote for RP will be more of a compromise for many. We need all of these votes. The campaign is delighted to leave us to our own methods as volunteers. I suggest we return the respect, and leave them to theirs.
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Infiltration has been expected. I was wondering what was taking so long. Just ignore them, they don't stand a chance converting anyone away from Ron Paul. The don't understand that once one's eyes have been opened, it's impossible to close them again.
I don't mean to be negative
I merely question the strategic value of invisibly seeking donations in Iowa while there are major peace demonstrations going on in 11 cities. Ron Paul appearing at one in SF, or NY or DC would probably have been a major news story.
I had been thinking that the Paul campaign was relying on the support of independents and democrats. Maybe I was wrong.
Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
Philadelphia will be
Philadelphia will be amazing. You have to choose your battles wisely. The RP08 campaign has been growing exponentially, and now the good doctor has to race to keep up!
Peace is a noble pursuit and one he highly supports. He inspires us every day. At the moment, he is a politician not an activist. The only chance we have for peace is if Ron Paul wins this election.
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i agree, people are
i agree, people are throwingaround all this negativity. i read some good articles yesterday that made me look past that though, the one of ron paul going on the tonight show http://www.gambling911.com/Ron-Paul-Jay-Leno-102807.html and the ronpaul moneybomb.com website. we need to keep focused and keep moving towards our goal... President Ron Paul.
your right
i live in iowa and i am really starting to think iowa could be a lost cause. i hope i'm wrong but i find alot(not all) of people in iowa to be in the dark about whats going on politically. most dont know who he is yet. they dont watch debates or go on the internet , all they care about is their corn subsidies and the heavy investments they made in the ethonal plants. the only thing we have to gain from iowa is to come in at least 4th. alot of people in iowa live in rural areas that dont have cable or high speed internet. it will take alot of grassroots support just to get him in 4th place. your right ,he should have gone to the antiwar protest rally first, iowa can wait another week. its the 1st weekend of hunting season here and the turnout probably could have been double the attendence had he either come earlier or waited a few weeks to come here.
It's early
Think back to previous elections. How many people wait until the week of to decide?
We just need to make sure Ron Paul is in the top tier by January, so that he gets his fair share of respectful news coverage. That means, also, making sure we defend his reputation online and in print so that he's not being called an "isolationist" anymore, and there's plenty of positive evidence when people look him up.
This is the problem with voters: they want an instant election with instant results when the price of freedom is eternal vigilence.
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Because he is running for president...
not running to protest the war.
Becoming a part of a protest MIGHT get you the Democratic nod, but NOT the Republican nod.
We aren't pacifists, or peace niks. We think this war is stupid and hurting us, but if he participated in that rally, he would lose credibility. I prefer him out speaking about the issues instead of mindlessly supporting anyone simply because they are anti-war.
Just to be clear Ron Paul voted to go into Afghanistan because that was the RIGHT thing to do. Hunt down our attackers. It's the war in Iraq that is stupid, and the military bases we have all over the world for no apparent reason.
Just because you agree with someone (the protestors) on one issue doesn't mean that you agree with them on everything. In addition, most of those protestors may pay us lip service about how great Ron Paul is, but they won't be voting in the Republican primary, regardless of what they say.
If anyone should have been there, it should have been RP supporters handing out slim jims, just in case... :)
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Well Put!
Why must we constantly find fault with every little decision the man makes? Lord help you if an army of "supporters" was watching your every move! Why did you drink a soda when water was available? Why did you pick your nose, when you know that is disgusting? On the other hand, blind faith that he always does the right thing isn't good either. Dang! You mean I have to use my brain?! It hurts...;)