Did Steve Parent lie about live call with RP on 4/24?
Regarding the (SPAM) posts on DP and RPF about the "live conference call with Ron Paul" on Steve Parent's Revolution Broadcasting radio station, I originally took it at face value when he indicated that there were "technical problems".
However, subsequent facts have come to light.
I noticed that Drsteveparent was put on a 7-day ban on RPF. Was that due to spamming?
Or was that due to suspected "bait-and-switch", that RP was *never* scheduled in the first place?
How better to determine the *facts* than to send an e-mail to simply confirm that RP had been scheduled for an interview on 4/24 at 9 ET?
I received an e-mail reply indicating no knowledge of any scheduled appointment in that time frame, but that could simply have been a mistake in communication.
So, I called RP2008 HQ and asked the same question. I was put on hold while the person asked around. No one at HQ knew a thing about a speaking engagement by RP last night.
Then, I called RP's Congressional office. Again, I was put on hold and again the reply was that no one there knew a thing about a speaking engagement by RP last night.
So, the big question I have now is:
Did Revolution Broadcasting CON supporters of RP on RPF and DP simply to get listeners?
And if we were lied to about that, what other lies, of commission or omission, have we been told that we haven't been able to prove, yet?
NOTE: I have now discussed the likely harmful consequences of an attempted "coup" at the GOP national convention with all parties I have talked with via phone or via e-mail (that was forwarded to RP).
Was the "interview" that RP might have had with Steve Parent tonight actually going to be a lecture *to* Steve Parent about 1) lying about RP's "live call" that was not scheduled last night and 2) failing to discourage disruption of the GNC that could do harm to everyone involved?
Important: Do make note that Steve Parent did actively discourage RP supporters from rioting at the DNC as Rush Limbaugh requested:
[url]http://www.dailypaul.com/node/46835[/url]
Post Subject: Please do not fall for this
Why has Steve Parent refused to actively discourage RP supporters about the much-discussed "coup" attempt at the RNC?
Isn't that a huge double standard? Given the apparent lie about RP being scheduled for a live conference call, as well, does that raise any red flags for anyone else?
Steve, does this answer your question:
How can people possibly believe i am bad for this revolution?
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/46949
These facts certainly confirmed my concerns about you being bad for this revolution.
Leave it to Laurie ...
to bring some of us "down", instead of lifting us up! With the real life realities of what is happening in Reno NV right NOW! who are the ones guiding our interest forward to success. Not Laurie, very sad indeed
She's not trying to bring you down...
She's trying to point out that we have a divider in our midst.. ~sigh~
It sucks to watch so many of you being taken by a personality, but I guess you were so used to in in your lives that it's comfortable for you.
I'm more of an individualist.. I'm not buying into the steve ~Borg~ assimilation.
If you're comfortable with yet another leader, steve is indeed your man.. self-centered, manipulative, egotistical, opportunistic... you buy into him, you deserve him.
But you're going to keep losing people who can think for themselves, who do not need someone like steve to guide them. He's effectively dumbing down this site. So it's time to migrate to RPForums until Mike figures it out, again. At least they're smart enough there to ban this guy's ass.
The division continues.
~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~
I don't know if it was
I don't know if it was Laurie or not, but I was thinking along the same lines as you. Whoever brought this post back up sure has a screwed up priority list....divided we fall.
This will be the very last time I even Look at this post...it makes me feel guilty to even vent on it knowing that I will bring it up again by doing so....
**the soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears**
Don't miss Steve Parent's rambling reply-new thread by him
www.dailypaul.com/node/47045
Leave it to Steve to start a new thread, so he has control over deleting it, if he doesn't like the replies-
And this is the "person" who wants to start a media business?
And more "secret insider knowledge" like delegate counts?
Steve Parent reminds me of Obama - lots of words with minimal content!
If it makes you feel better go ahead & name call
Obviously no man will have you & with good reason you're nuts!- so rant on until you make yourself either more nuts or sick. You are beyond helping
"If you don't stand behind our troops, PLEASE feel free to stand in front of them!"
Here's a quarter-
Go away, kid, and don't bother me.
Should it be a $10 bill??
Agree with Laurie
Laurie has obviously put a lot of respectful and intelligent thought into her thoughts about SGP and I for one, after reading her posts, would like to assert my support of her general mindset. She is asking questions that are both necessary and, to some people, difficult. Our anonymity is one of our strengths in a grassroots revolution but it can also be a weakness as we are easily infiltrated. I admittedly have not followed the SGP saga with any personal vigor but I sympathize with Laurie's apparent frustrations and will always support someone who wants to question something that most people blindly accept. It seems to me that Laurie must feel like Ron Paul did when he was on the televised media debates, surrounded on all sides by people who never address her questions and are incapable, at times, of rational debate.
"The casualty of partisanship is objectivity."
Thank you Hubris and SpaceHabitats
I needed your posts. I feel like there's been a brick wall or that I'm talking in a foreign language.
Your analogy was not something I had considered. It's quite valid, though-
"Make fun, buddy!"
You have no idea how much I hope my concerns about the GOP national convention are totally wrong.
However, I have way too much evidence from both DP and RPF to the contrary.
That is how RP must feel about the economy and other issues, as well.
I just hope that those on site at the convention will help apply "peer pressure" to not embarrass RP, as well as be alert as *witnesses*, if anyone attempts to pull off dirty tricks.
Only time will tell.
The Plan
None of us want to wait beyond this next election cycle to see the fruits of our labors.
Of course I would like to see success sooner than later. I don't enjoy attending Republican conventions and hearing party hacks praise John McCain (who I KNOW IS A TRAITOROUS LYING COWARD).
The people who say that we have to have change now or never, regardless of the tactics used, and regardless of the damage it might do to the reputation of Ron Paul and all of his supporters are playing into the hands of the enemy. I don't know if it is impatience, frustration, laziness, or ignorance that would lead some to advocate violent or obnoxious behavior in the name of Ron Paul; but it would be worse than useless, it could set the liberty movement back years. In fact, if any of you are yearning to see such scenes at the RNC, don't worry. Because if "we" don't do it, I fully expect "them" to try and stage some disgusting scene that they can blame on Ron Paul supporters.
For example, they might have some kid throw a paint balloon at a group of old guard GOP delegates. Or maybe they will target McCain himself (although that would be tougher to pull off with the secret service around). By the way, if anything like that does occur, you can bet that They were the ones who did it.
Bottom line is that anything like that would generate tremendous sympathy for McCain and great revulsion in the Republican rank and file for anything associated with "Ron Paul".
By the way, to those of you that have questioned what "we" are doing I will happily answer.
I am a delegate to the Iowa state convention. My wife is also a delegate and we worked our tails off getting a handful of friends elected as well.
I created a brochure announcing my wife's candidacy for RNC delegate, paid Office Max to produce copies, and our family (including my eight year old daughter and thirteen year old son) addressed, stuffed and stamped 760 envelopes to mail to every delegate and alternate to the 5th district GOP convention.
I am a precinct captain and the county chairman for Ron Paul. My wife is precinct captain for several precincts other than our own including some in Missouri. She helped organize the RP supporters in Missouri to attend their caucuses.
Our family (again including our children) spent the 3 days before Super Tuesday in a neighboring state (Missouri) canvassing in freezing rain.
We have done the same in neighboring Nebraska and have attended meetups there where we delivered campaign materials left over from the efforts in Iowa and Missouri.
We have donated to Ron Paul and various other campaigns by RP candidates.
And, yes, I have spent countless hours composing what I felt were thoughtful posts and comments on DailyPaul and the Ron Paul Forums.
And we did all these things (I, my wife, and my children) because we love liberty and revere the constitution.
And, yes, it does make me angry to have some foul-mouthed jerk who does not know me (or my family) accuse me of being a "liar", "infiltrator", or a "troll" simply because I present evidence or even ask an honest question on this website that does not fit in well with their preconceived notions.
And when they do it in defense of a movement "leader" who has repeatedly shown himself to be arrogant, unscrupulous, self-promoting, and deceptive; it makes me fearful for the future of this movement.
I guess that would be my "ulterior motive."
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive."
MOVE ON
Dr. Parent seems to be a different kind of guy. He feels as thougt he is a huge part of what is going on and does not quit. We should thank him for getting people to be delegates and be supportive of his radio channel.
You can bet if I was a retired Dr with plenty of money in the bank I would be developing radio and media for Paul.
Do we even know if Steve Parent is a "guy"?
I even worked with a contractor who they fired after a week, because he was *not* the one who interviewed on the phone (or whose resume had been accepted)!
Has anyone ever actually met Steve Parent face-to-face in any state or country? If so, why haven't they said that?
Can anyone substantiate that Steve Parent is married and has a wife? Or is the source for that information Steve Parent, as well?
You can bet if I was a retired Dr with plenty of money in the bank I would be developing radio and media for Paul.
Are you implying that Steve Parent is retired with plenty of money in the bank?? If so, he has posted exactly the opposite and was hoping for a "chip-in" for his $6000 phone bill-
And Revolution Broadcasting is not being developed for *Ron Paul* at all. Just look at the guest speakers they have had on, already-
And the fact that the radio station is not involved with helping to get RP elected is exactly why the multiple threads on both DP and RPF advertising it throughout each day's broadcast are SPAM.
Six Thousand Dollar Phone Bill???
Sounds like a front for getting some fancy Hookers for himself.
The Revolution Continues at http://nationbuilder.org
Laurie and SGP have lost much credibility.
Who is right will be revealed in due time, but the messanger's credibility will require time and effort to correct.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
In whose eyes?
The people I respect have been in touch with me offline (have those of you I have been in touch with in the past checked your SPAM boxes in Yahoo??)-
I wouldn't waste my time and effort trying to correct my credibility with those who have none in my own eyes-
And if my concerns about a "coup" at the national convention are proven correct and my credibility is validated, will there even be an RP movement any more?
That's the bottom line.
Laurie - You are now consumed by this fellow -
SGP. Do you wake up & go to bed thinking of this person & how you can discredit him? Possibly you could benefit from a man in your life or if that is not possible buy a toy & plenty of batteries as you badly need a change in attitude. Now don't bash this post - you would benefit from the advice as you don't need to make your self sick over this slickster
Didn't take the advice I see - shame on you - maybe you could go for a long walk along the waterfront or ride your bike for a long long ways - go running - get away from checking this site every 2 minutes
"If you don't stand behind our troops, PLEASE feel free to stand in front of them!"
And Sonny is one of the lowest class DP members
And I see you can't stay away from this thread, either-
As I've posted, the posts on this thread give a good indication about the poster. Why do you think I've kept it going?
Sonny, you've now proven your low class several times (which also violates the recently bumped forum rules, as well).
And you obviously have zero comprehension of the issues I am raising about what the national delegates will do at the national convention, particularly those who publicly post their idolization of Steve Parent, liar or not, fictitious persona or not.
And, as I've posted, if I get a *single national delegate* to honor the rules under which their state elected them vs. defying their state rules, this will have been worth the effort, possibly even more so than helping to get those (ethical or unethical?) delegates elected in the first place.
The elected national delegates have the "weight of the RP movement" on their shoulders. We are all depending on them.
I hope that they do not "shrug".
Laurie, although the above
Laurie, although the above post has more than its share of sarcasm, please take it to heart. Your maniacally rabid posts about Steve Parent are more and more reminding me of the story about the pit bull which, after biting a woman and refusing to release its grip, finally had to be killed. Even after that, it refused to stop biting, and the head finally had to be cut apart in order to free its hold on the poor woman.
Even one who is 100% in the right can make themself look foolish by their stubborn insistance on having the last word.
I am really disappointed with your post
Please search on my UserID for posts in this thread and look at how many, many of them relate to the intentions of the national delegates at the GOP national convention.
The only relevance Steve Parent has going forward is that it seems to be the same people who "rabidly" support him/attack others who are also publicly posting about their planned "coup" or the "Delegate Wars", not against the Dems, but *against the GOP party*.
Why has Steve Parent consistently refused to tell those people to honor their states' rules?
With "friends" like Steve Parent and his followers, who needs enemies?
Is that your understanding of what RP requested us supporters to do? Attack the GOP party in full media view?
I see a huge amount of vengeance towards the GOP party, with or without good reason, in the attitudes of the posters.
However, do you think "vengeance" will *help* get RP a speaking slot or help the legitimate RP supporters do as RP asked and become involved *with* the GOP party to return it to its conservative values?
If they hate the GOP party so much, then exactly what are their intentions for the convention and how much permanent harm will they do to everyone else, including RP and Carol?
If people can no longer discuss conservative values and include RP's name, doesn't that concern you as to the harm *we* have done to RP?
Is the hate-filled person below an RP "supporter"??
Can you begin to see just how much we have been split into two diametrically opposed belief systems?
How can anyone talk "unity" with such a person?
And, as far as I'm concerned, this thread has given a very clear indication that the RP movement will just be a historical footnote (unless they cause riots at the convention).
Will that be the end of our country?
#12
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=133756&page=2
It's time for us to change that. GOP image be damned, Ron Paul supporters must rise, fight as hard as they can in the public eye at this convention, and smear egg on the faces of the wretched party if they pull out the expected tactics to shoot down Dr. Paul. They deserve nothing less. Let them writhe, in full view of CNN, Fox, MSNBC, and all the others. If we can't get Ron Paul the nomination, we can at least make it apparent the GOP is anything but a unified party.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha...
hahahahahahahahahaha(giggle-snort)hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
That's rich! Love it! For more laughs go read this thread: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/47037
Great minds?? Winston, yes...
Obama = O.ne B.ig A.ss M.istake A.merica
What is Laurie's plan?
Well let's see, Steve Parent has a plan and shares lots of good information. What is Laurie's plan? Wait until our country is so totally enslaved we can do nothing about it?
I fail to see a down side for a "coup" at the convention. Oh no! They will slander us and call us disruptive kooks? Guess what kiddies, that's more media coverage than we are getting now. And if we were getting any coverage they'd be smearing us in it regardless of our actions. You really forgot last years treatment of us already?
So what is all the hard work we Paul supporters have done to get him elected for, if not to get him elected 2008? Laurie you seem to be attempting to negate all my hard work and money, by trying to destroy our last chance to get him elected. Who do you think you are speaking for anyways?
And what exactly is YOUR plan Laurie? If it doesn't involve getting Ron Paul elected in 2008 then you are irrelevant. If it does, please elucidate.
Does this post scare the crap out of anyone else?
My plan is what *RP REQUESTED* that his supporters become involved in their local/state/national GOP party in a credible fashion to help *return* the GOP party to its original conservative platform.
In no way, did RP ever imagine a *revolt against the GOP* in his name!
And I have yet to hear that anyone has asked RP himself, whether he would accept a nomination under such circumstances-
I'd like to hear it too
I'd like to hear a SPECIFIC statement from Dr. Paul myself. His current statements are really quite open to interpretation. So as he said, it's up to us.
How does following the lead of Abraham Lincoln, who entered his convention with less than 10% of the required delegates, and yet won in the end, interfere with your plan?
I am far more interested in saving our country versus saving a privately owned political party who has sold out it's own ideals.
And destroying the GOP before the election helps how?
There are ethical ways and unethical ways to impact the GOP national convention.
Many different actions will simply guarantee that the Democratic nominee, no matter who it is, will win. Is that what the purpose of the *GOP* convention is??
I'd like to hear a SPECIFIC statement from you as to your actions, given your post, if you were bound by your state's rules to vote for McCain in the first round.
Would you honor the rules under which you were elected or not?
If it's up to "us", I will never associate with anyone who intentionally sabotages the national convention, because it can do nothing but *harm* everything RP has accomplished.
In fact, many posts on DP recently could be construed as "terrorist" plans by DHS.
This news headline was just on cbs2chicago.com:
Chicago Cops To Be Armed With Assault Rifles
I still think it's 50/50 whether there will be a November election at all.
Are all the "delegate issues" in both parties simply a distraction to all of us?
Elections Canceled? Ok I get it now
Your hysterical reactionism and wild accusations makes me think you are imagining a gang of unruly teenagers throwing snowballs at Sean Hannity. If you were really involved in the delegate process you would know that is not what I'm talking about at all. Informed use of Robert's Rules and a thorough understanding of the party's own rules can be used "ethically" to sway the outcome. No one is calling for any violence or even disruption (at least not from what I've read), yet you seem to be imagining it. Maybe you are confusing us with the dittoheads.
So Abraham Lincoln "destroyed" the Republican party? Interesting.
And you really believe there could be canceled elections... ok now you've lost all credibility with me.
Sigh:(
Yet again, I ask whether or not national delegates bound to vote for McCain due to the rules of the state they were elected to represent will or will not vote for McCain in the first round.
Answer, please?
That has nothing to do with Robert's Rules.
If those are the state rules, will the state-elected delegates follow their rules or not?
Yes or no.
Regarding the possibility of the elections being canceled, you obviously have totally failed to see all of the posts by dozens of DP members of the *evidence* with links about the escalatons in Iran, the Iranian Bourse, the FEMA camps here in the US, the training of police for martial law, etc.
Again, I have many, many links to every single one of those issues (I have more than 3900 mailboxes in e-mail going back more than 10 years before the CFR had a website!)
I suggest that you actually read some of the content posts on DP vs. the tabloid posts like this one. You might actually learn something from people who have expertise in various areas.
So, now you've lost all credibility with me
Actually, you lost all credibility with your initial post!
Anyways, all that is relevant is Lincoln
So you're all about the FEMA camps too? Wow. You do know those FEMA camp videos are nearly 20 years old right? I saw them when they first came out way back then. I'll bet you also spread 9-11 truth at the same time as you campaign for Paul. (Don't waste your breath, I know 9-11 was suspicious, but I NEVER link any discussion of WTC with Paul)
Seriously, look into Good ole Abe. Like I said, he entered convention with less than 10% of the needed delegates and left with a win:
http://www.greatamericanhistory.net/nomination.htm
your post serves a selfish
your post serves a selfish interest. I assume you are out there working your a@@ off for Ron Paul in between all your posts? No you are just posting to cause a divide in the ranks of the people who want Ron Paul to at least get to make an appearance at the convention. I don't think anyone is telling others what to do at their state or the national conventions. We all have to follow our hearts and beliefs in what we do. I feel that attacking other supporters is so very wrong. We are all in this together.
NO, I AM *NOT* IN THIS WITH LIARS AND INSTIGATORS!
What in the world is my "selfish interest"? Huh? Am I SPAMMING my new business on the coattails of RP?
If I had a "selfish interest", it would be to DISASSOCIATE MYSELF from any reference to RP in my daily life, so my own credibility is not harmed by any disruptions at the national convention in September.
Isn't that a sad state of affairs after all the work the legitimate RP supporters have put in trying to become part of the GOP party to implement change?
NOTE: I've already e-mailed RP with links to public posts. Any actions he wishes to take or not are now passed into his court.
"I don't think anyone is telling others" is clearly "parsing".
What about all of the first-person posts *discussing* the ramifications of violating state rules *in RP's name* and getting ejected from the convention?
Or have you missed all of those posts?
You might wish to read the recent post in this thread: I fail to see a down side for a "coup" at the convention.
Is that acceptable to you or not? It's absolutely unacceptable to me, so I am *not* in this "together"!
The issue is that only a few people on DP are putting out warning signals as to the tremendous damage the actions of a few people *associated with RP* could do for *all RP supporters nationwide*, as well as to RP's own reputation.
I'm all for having RP speak at the convention. However, if the "unbinding" actions are before that, do you really think RP's speech won't be canceled?
Dr. Paul is the only "Dr." who is the leader of our movement
Let the other stuff go.
We got 16% in PA and that was after they stole a bunch of votes.
We are getting what seem to be results at the NEV state GOP convention and despite the shut down are getting the message out.
I suggest we drop discussing "personalities" for the following reason:
IT DISTRACTS US FROM OUR GOAL AND SOWS DISSENT.
This post does not serve the movement in any way shape or form.
Leave it alone and do what Dr. Paul does, tell the truth over and over again.
Best to all,
T
Unify
Note the subject of this thread!
Has a highly visible person "associated" with the RP movement blatantly lied or not?
Does that issue concern you at all?
Yet again, this is not "personalities", this is what bound delegates will or will not do at the national convention.
Those national delegates may destroy in just a matter of days what people across the entire country have worked so hard to accomplish.
And this thread is about that potential for destruction.
Does that concern you? If not, exactly what do you think is "our goal"?
What do *you* think bound delegates should do in the first round of voting?