What would it take for any of you to rise up and take/demand your rights back from this evil government?
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.....with that said please answer these 2 question.
#1-- What would it take for you or the average American to finally stand up and demand (even with the point of a weapon) their rights and freedoms back from this corrupt government?(ie evil men/women/polititcians who are now actively attempting to end our free country)
#2-- How would you express that demand for your rights back(ie what would you do or be willing to do?)
PLEASE ANSWER BOTH OF THE ABOVE QUESTIONS
below are merely some examples.........
---would it take the illegal kidnapping of hundreds of children?
--- would it be when they take away our right to free and fair election?
--would it be when they attack another country illegally?
--would it be when they take away our freedom of the press?
---would it be when the internet is gone/unplugged/ or censored?
---would it be when there is taxation without representation?
-- Would it be when the lock up innocent Americans, who stood up for yours and my rights? (aka political prisoners)
---or when they stop letting you watch American idol?
(NOTE-- ALL THE ABOVE HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED)
I believe "they" . . .
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
want us to try to use weapons--
I won't use weapons.
I may stand up, but I am not sure when or how or even why.
If I say more I might give out too much information, and I'm not prepared to do that.
I have some very vulnerable family members.
I have thought this through a lot--
I pray, too.
I don't mind being a 'martyr', though I won't aggress.
But I am not the only person I have to be concerned about.
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
Aye
All for freedom? Freedom for all!
Free includes debt-free!
The passage of Obamacare,
The passage of Obamacare, Fraud and Trade or the Copenhagen Treaty. if anyone one of these 3 items become law, I will be ready. All I need is a leader to follow. I am guessing that will never happen and we will have to improvise on our own.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny."- Thomas Jefferson
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The line will be crossed
The line will be crossed when they start dumping stuff on us from airplanes.
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I am still able to watch American Idol?
Did I miss something? Beacause if they canceled American Idol....well then its Rebellion for me!
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Terrific Question Jdayh!
I've been pondering the question for some time now ... What's the "definitive" line in the sand or "straw" that breaks the camel's back, if you will ... I can make one clear answer this morning ... When Ron Paul says it's time --- it's TIME!
Do I need to dig your scam posts back out and relink them?
In order to get you to knock off this kind of dangerous and not helpful posting again.
I let you go for a while because your posts seemed to have generally calmed down and been less damaging. But I have truly seen almost no positive posts from you ever.
So Jdayh, do you intend to explain the $3k you looted from DailyPauler's by claiming to help delegates? Or do you intend to show the receipts as you promised?
And stop bumping your own insanely old crap. It is rude.
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Well,
knowing how this has been going on for a VERY,very long time and that there is a WELL thought out plan with TREMENDOUS resources and a very detailed GOAL.. I have to give this more consideration than a knee jerk response as to what I would or wouldn't do. This is like a home owner who is awaken from a deep sleep by armed burglars in the middle of the night.
In all honesty, I don't know.
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Agaisnt knee-jerk or reactionary efforts.
Hoppe seems to think it isn't needed.
Hans-Hermann Hoppe talks about Marxist and Austrian Class Analysis at
the Marx and Marxism Conference. October 1988.
http://mises.org/media/1237?silverlight=0
Government gains its power from the consent of the governed.
Where do we give our consent?
For now I will follow Dr. Paul's lead.
All for freedom? Freedom for all!
Free includes debt-free!
Do you know what "consent of the governed" actually means?
It means the absence of rebellion.
It does not mean that you gave your consent to anything.
"I believe the true significance of the Gold Commission is that the politicians and central bankers were so alarmed at such a thing that they made sure it was packed by an array of Keynesians and monetarists." (Ron Paul 1985)
re-bellion literally means go back to war (bellum)
I do not see how war will help. If I decide not to support them, it does not follow that I must be against them as war demands.
Rather I believe that the Founding Fathers anticipated such problems and hoped that they gave us the tools (Constitution) to improve our lives, lot and liberty. If we can find a way to make it work then it will be a boon for future generations.
All for freedom? Freedom for all!
Free includes debt-free!
Civil disobediance also counts as "rebellion".
But yes, I take your point about the constitution.
"I believe the true significance of the Gold Commission is that the politicians and central bankers were so alarmed at such a thing that they made sure it was packed by an array of Keynesians and monetarists." (Ron Paul 1985)
If they don't realise that there is a problem...
...they won't get angry about it.
If they need you to tell them that something is wrong, their chances of getting angry about it are only slightly better than zero.
Talk to people who already know that *something* is rotten. Then you might actually get somewhere.
"I believe the true significance of the Gold Commission is that the politicians and central bankers were so alarmed at such a thing that they made sure it was packed by an array of Keynesians and monetarists." (Ron Paul 1985)
Don't
yell at me!
Hey Jdayh.
I understand and appreciate your post but I'm not comfortable with your title.
It's probably just me but:
I was born with my rights and do not feel the need to beg for them "back". I never gave them away and they are unable to steal them from me.
We need to stand up and against evil, for sure. The politicians need to be made crystal clear on the fact that they have overstepped their boundaries far beyond those set by the Constitution. In other words, we need to fight to put them back in their places (not to mention removing most govt. departments).
I will not beg for my rights. To do so is to give them even more power and to legitimize whatever claim they think they have over me.
I am a sovereign individual and they are they invaders.
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of course your right...
we all are born with out rights..
but many people don't think that far along to realize that..
perhaps the title should be ..
WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR ANY OF YOU TO RISE UP AND TAKE/DEMAND THE POWER BACK FROM THIS EVIL GOVERNMENT?
or something like that :)
First I must
pray, meditate, and have patience. Once I have been vocated my role, I would die for freedom.
We all have our roles.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
Always be in a constant state of "rise up".
We fight it like a Sumo, and push against it continually, until we can get an opening, and then accomplish as much as can when we get an opening in their defenses.
We are "rising up" right now on this forum, even though it is not any form of military type uprising. Any quest for more freedom is automatically an affront against overarching gov't control(which we certainly have now).
Remember, their ranks are NOT solid. They are actually but a few, who "leverage" alot of people thru power and money. Most of those they control are not "true believers" and they are mercenary and probably cowards, who are just in it for a buck. If the money disappears or gets tight, these people will bail from that sinking ship and the evil ones will be left standing alone to run for cover themselves.
They don't really hold as much power as they'd like to convey.
That's why they use the "terror tactics" of police state beatings and killings, and Gestapo uniforms, and making you stand in line or be stopped at checkpoints. These are nothing but fear conditioning to make the populace more pliable, while making their power appear to be great and scary, when in fact it is pretty weak. It's a very classic approach that is time tested over centuries. You don't have to beat everyone up, but if you beat up just enough of them publicly, the rest will fear the beating and get into line. So, simple.
They are not strong, and the current economic crisis is weakening them dramatically. If they piss off their lackeys by cutting their pay or benefits or retirement incomes, to try to extricate themselves from this mess, the lackeys are going to jump ship and the "masters" will be left powerless. But, if they try to keep all the lackeys happy, they don't have enough money, and the whole system collapses because their borrowing limit is maxxed-out. If they try to bleed more out of the people, they push over the "tipping point" and the people rebel, and they don't have enough power to stop that and they know it.. Interesting dilemma.
I think this whole house of cards is coming down.
The only question is what will shake out in the aftermath?
Very nicely said!!
thanks.. and how true...
I think this whole house of cards is coming down.
The only question is what will shake out in the aftermath?
you are so correct...the only thing we must do ..is seize the moment when they crack..(ie the cracks in the damn so to speak...)
"Very nicely said!!", says Jdayh (a year and a half later).
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hey tog what do you say on this post????
lets hear it........
hello 2bfree how are you
You know I can't leave this thread alone even if i wanted to which i have so some time lol BUT! To call the Christains who did not fight the Roman soldiers when they come to get them and lop off their heads cowards is crazy. These people on most casses whent up and put their heads on tha block and forgave the people doing it to their face. They would sing while the lions killed them. You say sheeple. Thats funny because they are no more dead than the people who fought back. But until their last breath they bore witness of their creator. Their is no grater gift than one laying down his life for a friend. If one person comes to Christ over one mans death he has won already. In the days of Rome they couldn't kill them all. Every time they killed one Christian 10 more poped up in their place. Why you ask because peaople witnessed their love for their God and saw the bravery He gave these people and their hearts were touches and moved to know their God. Perfect example is the Children taken in texas. They have not fired one bullet yet millions of Americans are outraged by what they see and becomeing vocal. See there captivity has done more than protesting or calling your senator or all the activities the Ron Paul movement even done. A family not known by anyone in 2 weeks have maybe 10 million peoples hearts. We in the Ron Paul movemet have been working for over a year and have only got the support of 1 million voters. Add in maybe 2 million more for the people who don't vote you get 3 million total. Not bad for a movement of 400 most of them kids. You think your going to win over the hearts and minds by doing something to scare the leaders. Go ahead but mark my words not one person in this nation will greave for you. Most people won't even know and for those that do get media coverage your parents will get the great reward you leave them to be labeled a terrorist and an enemy of your nation and to be labeled the mother and father of that traitor. The score not one person won over to your cause not one person won over to your creator and savior. In reality you have just jost one and they will walk right over your body and move on to the next guy seeking to lower your number by even more. War is a numbers game. those who gain the largest number usually win. when your number hits 0 game set match. and to the victors go the spoils. The battle you are in has already been won my friends. God has already won the victory for this war on the cross. This will be like nothing ever seen before on earth. Those who know their God will set back and wtch this one. they won't have any choice. This one is going to be his win alone that way the world does not say anyone on earth did it for him. Anyone who watches this war and doesn't believe in God will deserve the pit. and don't do like most Christians today and pick the parts you want out of the bible. you either believe the whole thing or you don't. Go back to believeing what your fathers teachers taught you in their scools your all worms. its better that you are hot or cold because the lukewarm he will spew out of his mouth. And then you set and call other people sheeple and cowards be careful what you say God is listening. also this whole thing boils down to who will you worship in the end. If you worship Jesus they will kill you if you worship who they tell you too you will live. If you kill them and take a life you both worship the same father so why fight. This is a war for minds nothing else. Man just do what most Christians do worship the three headed God hes got Jesus as one person of God that will cover the christian part plus you can worship the other 2 persons and not get your head cut off. Your a winner all the way around. The only thing our nation can do is stay out of the NWO as long as we can. If we achieve that then the whole world will turn on us but we will at least be united in fighting for our right to be a nation and defend ourselves. This God approves of. Show patiance my friends. pay attention to all that is happening around this world. Keep your eyeys and ears open for God. Hes working all around us. Gllorify him for all he is doing and all that he has done. Don't seek after religions seek after good sound doctrine. maybe start by actaully reading the bible from front to back with a longing in your heart to have God reveal himself to you as you read. Maybe you should stop being so tough and let your guard down while you read it open up your heart with some desire to know the truth. maybe realize what times we live in and be honest with God and tell him of the fear you have in your heart and ask him to help you remove it so you can have peace and feel joy in your hearts during these last days. after all this time that is the only solution. All these people who talk about reason and philosophy and ideology are going to have their eggs scrambled trying to explain all the things that are coming. There will be many people who will have so much fear they have heart failer and fall down dead. For a person who is not born again this will be the worst of times for a person who is the best of times why? Because Jesus is coming back and then all this will be over and we won't have to live with wicked people any more you want to know why God will send people to hell because his children don't want to live with them any more. and you are wrong we are not all children of God we are born sinners. Your not given an iheritance untill you become a son of God (born again) if you want to know how read acts 2:38 there is no other way my friend and anyone who takes a diffrent path is just fooling themselfs. Acts 2:38 is as plain as the nose on your face there is no one to blame but yourself. Peter holds the keys to the kingdom of heaven that scripture is the key. I will use violance only when God tells me to. and Israel never went to war without asking God what to do first and if they didn't they lost. keep that in mind.
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as we are putting together others who are as outraged as yourself, to stop this travesty of justice.
It's like the frog in the pot of water....
If the water is too hot when you put him in, he'll jump right out.
But, if you put him in a pot of tepid water and then slowly raise the heat, you'll eventually boil him.
Don't think it is coincidental that the Patriot Act shot around the second amendment the way it did. It effected the first, fourth, fifth, eighth thru thirteenth and maybe a few more beyond that. They know that trying for the firearms has always been a flashpoint with the masses. They still do it in small patches (Katrina, recent tornado devastation in the mid-west) but it's always on the QT.
They know when they come for the guns on a wide scale they will have tipped their hands.
I think repealing Posse Commitatus coupled with Bush's attempt at even more Draconian 'emergency powers' recently has already tipped their hand.
Let's toss this out there... what do you think of a Bush dictatorship before the next presidential term? False-flag attack followed by 'emergency powers' sponsored martial law.
A few years ago I would have called myself crazy.
Now, I don't know.
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
I couldn't
have said it any better.
That
Fortune Favors the Bold
frog thing is actually a myth, but it's still a useful analogy.
Fortune Favors the Bold
Shhhh....
It is a great analogy. I haven't actually tested it on any frogs so I'll take your word for it.
The question is.... what is your thermostat set to? When do we frogs finally exit the pot?
I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...
Frog analogy used by the Men's Rights Movement
It is very common among men trying to fight the NOW and other feminist organizations (who control both major parties) to refer to the frog analogy.
The enemy brings the laws on in steps and they especially like to start by regulating the few of us Americans who live OUTSIDE the pot. Online Dating, for instance, finally got regulated in 2005 because apparently nobody inside the USA cares about dating Russian college students and let the feminists say that they were "mail order brides" in need of protection via federally mandated background checks on Americans who want to meet them.
Most Americans cannot afford to fly to Europe for a date...so nobody is challenging IMBRA, which if upheld will solidify the government assertion that "there is no fundamental liberty interest in an American saying hello to a foreigner"...which will morph into "no fundamental liberty interest in a man saying hello to a female stranger".
They begin their laws in areas where there won't be much resistance. Another place they got Americans living abroad was in forcing us to tell the IRS where all our bank accounts were and how much was in them. That is extra-jurisdictional meddling. The US Government does not own its citizens when they travel abroad.
Americans are being slowly boiled as well because the media is not reporting on new laws coming up. Take the New York anti-staring bill...which, if it becomes law, will make it illegal for men to look at women (accidentally glancing up from under a stairwell will become a felony).
great post!!! Thanks for showing that truth
When there is an AP new brief, you get nothing but the same stuff, not real news, like the fact that they are trying to take our weapons...
http://digg.com/politics/REPUBLICANS_TO_STEAL_OUR_RIGHTS_TO_...
read the article if you want to understand...
A difficult question
I am really torn on how to answer this question. I want to say that at a certain point "the people" (read- enough people to have a significant impact) will wake up and realize what is going on, and will respond with righteous anger at the corruption and oppression that is already running amok in this country. I want to say that it is only a matter of the government over-extending it's hand and pushing us too far. Honestly though, I don' think this is the case.
There are two important points I'd like to make:
1) The vast majority of any population, when faced with situations such as the one we are discussing now, will curl up in a fetal ball and hide in the corner of their bedroom before they would put their own life on the line for any ideological reason. Even in the worst of situations the desire to stay alive will triumph over the desire to fight for justice. Most people are just too petty and selfish.
2) The elites in this country and around the world are not stupid. In fact, they are probably more intelligent and organized than any ruling body in history. One of my favorite quotes comes to mind: "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Don't underestimate the hold that propaganda has over this country! The vast majority of the populace is already brain-washed into compliance, and those that still have some lingering questions about any number of issues are bombarded with propaganda day in and day out. It makes it difficult for even the most sane and rational person to sort out what is truth and what isn't. Furthermore, the powers that be know that the old frog-in-a-pot technique is the only way to turn up the heat on the population of this country. Do not think they haven't learned from the mistakes of past would-be tyrants. There may be a certain event or series of events that act as a catalyst for the big shift, but it will not happen over night. It has already been happening for decades.
I would fight, I would die, I would be labeled a criminal, nothing would change. This is my cynical opinion.
"The sinews of war are infinite money" ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero