Don't Bash Democrats - We're for Ron Paul, too!

I agree, don't bash .... Also, I think we need to SPLIT the Revolution for Liberty.

We need a Libertarian/Constitutionalists in BOTH parties.

Why? Because that is how you spell success in American Politics.

The War Party has split. They still are on the Democrat Left, with think tanks and so on... Recall the Bosnian War, Madeline Halfbright....and thanks to Ronald Reagan bringing them on board the "small government revolution", the NeoCons joined the Republicans who have the American Enterprise institute, the Iraq War, and Dick Cheney.

For our new Liberty & Peace & Prosperity Revolution to succeed, it will need to split into the Democratic party and of course stay in the Republican Party.

The Environmentalist movement made great strides in this way in the 70's when they pushed politicians regardless of the R or D behind their name.

Gravel, Kucinich, and the ACLU are the part of the Revolution that we could build on with the Democrats.

Ron Paul and CATO can build on with the Republicans.

The Libertarian/Constitutionalist movement SHOULD learn from the mistakes of the Environmentalist movement. Their mistake is shady science, highly selective science. To the degree they get the science right, they do well. But they turned their precious energies to making the Green Party, and with that, science went out the window. With that, down went thier influence upon eiher party. They lost their influence when they "identified" themselves with the liberal democratic left. Like in the 70's, they should have stuck to lobbying and educating BOTH sides.... now they are "seen" as from the Democratic Party Left. In reality, libertarian policitcal theory has a lot to add to the conversation, but because it has allowed itself to be "seen" as a from the Republican Party Right, they too suffer the effects of No Influence.

Libertarian political theory needs to move towards GROUNDING itself to the social sciences. It needs to become a science. When one can get a Phd in Libertarian Science, then libertarianism is here to stay. Currently is in terrible danger of fading away into the dust bin of history, much like Freudian theory as gone away like some giant-well elaborated & logical--thought bubble. The science of evolutionary biology, neuropsychology. sociobiology, earth science and many more will make, SHOULD make, the underpinning legs of which Libertarian Political science sits on.

Back 300 years ago, libertarianism was a science, it was the new science of political economy. John Locke, Adam Smith, John Stewart Mill Thomas Jefferson and others were liberties top scientist of their day. Herbert Spencer deserves the credit for starting the science of Sociology and resting it upon darwinian evolution, though today it finds itself "out in Left field" --pun indended. Sure Spencer had its faults, but a fresh look shows he was not that far off the mark.

As darwinian evolutionary science has grown, expanded and evolved, so will the science of libertarian polictial theory need to grow, expand & evolve. Both Freud and Spencer got their beloved Darwin's evolutionary theory not quite right, but at least they knew where they wanted to be. Today modern biological sciences have now grown in suffiecient strength that it is very close to reaching up and touching Political Econom of Mankind. Libertarian Polical theory needs to be there.

LibertarianISM, as well as SocialISM, MarxISM, and even modern day varieties of CapitalISM will soon be affected by what science knows about the biological & social & economic Nature of Man. Steven Pinker, in The Blank Slate, takes notice of this. Taking his cue from Edward O Wilson's book Consilience, in the book, Darwinian Politics, professor Rubin looks at Libertarian theory and shows us how libertarian political theory holds up so far. And science does not play favorites. Already economic science main assumptions are being challenged.

Lets take the Drug War, for example, to see how it hold up. Yes, if a button was infront of us that would stop the Drug War, I would push it and so would Ron Paul. But maybe should NOT BE SO SURE of Ourselves. My reverance for individual, the libertarian & free market premises that I hold DOES all tell me to push that button for Liberty, but SCIENCE may tell us WE HAVE MORE to CONSIDER. We must consider Mankind in total, from all points of view.

The delema comes from what evolutionary biologist call I believe "Mate Handicaping Complex" .... (or some such name). The point being, some species, say birds for example, go through a whole list of behaviors prior to matting. Some of the behaviors are actually mini-Arms-Races. Amoung the males competing for females, things can get life threatening and very deadly. Being a very brightly colored male bird does say to the female, look how healthy I am, look at how well feed I am, AND look, I am STILL alive after all this time being Bright & Colorful - a few close calls with Hawks, but I am still alive. Or take the Peacocks tail....certainly an advertizement, but also it Handi-caps the male in evading preditors and fighting male competitors.

Back to the Drug War? What does all this have to do with Humans? Well as anthropology has documented, we all become teenagers. We all love to dance. We all love music. We all love to show off.....females in one way, males in another. Males show off by taking huge physical riskes to themselves. From dancing 4 days straight around a fire, taking halucenegenetic drugs, walking on burning hot coals... we males Show Off -- Mate handi Cap--- ourselves. We do this to "prove something" to other men, other woman, and to ourselves. We have all asked, "what are we proving?"....... well aparently, a whole lot. From small town drag racing in the 50's and "playing" chicken with the oncoming car, to getting drunk until you puke, to getting high and staying out so late, ONLY to get up the next day - "gee how does he do that?!" and go take a college exam and PASS it with "Flying Colors". (sometimes our words betray us all too well).

Back to the Drug war? Well, not just yet. Examples of human males engaging in self distructive & complex "mate handicapping" behavior is too long to list. Its what you would expect from a highly intelligent and very creative and original Naked Ape. Anthropology can tell us a lot about how tribes and other societies handled this problem. And make no mistake about it, its a problem for the parents and elders who do not wish to see an ARMS - Race in sex destructive "Mate Handicapping" behavior get out of control, and in effect, kill off the next generation. Sociobiology and neuropsychology also ways in on this all to human mating behavior. Tribes all made special weeks, restricted to certain times of the year, with prescribed boundries all designed to make sure the mini-arms race came to an end....a healthy end.

Ok, now back to the "drug war". The libertarian "political perscription" to this problem MAY actually backfire....to the horror of libertarians (myself included) and the rest who followed the advice to simple "legalize all drugs". A libertarian social scientist may not say the same thing. He may, taking into account all the above and more, realize the cultural need for "drug liberty" but temper that by perscribing ritual times, dates, hours, and methods....in effect advocating a ceromonial "party time". When one looks at our universities, perhaps thats what has already happened. Or, mayber our Phd Libertarian MAY, still, even after all the wisdom of the underlying sciences, come to conclude that the drug and drinking binges, the mini-arms Mate Handi-caping races, does not superceed the current libertarian premise of full 100% liberty, anytime, anyplace, regardless of social customs and moral hazards and health controls.

The fact is we don't know where future "libertarian science"....will go. But it can start by picking up where Spencer and Freud left off. It remains to be seen how much science will leave of libertarian political theory. Most of the "Great Ones" are all dead. May Murray Rothbard, Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, Ludwig Von Mises, Fredrick Hayek, Henry Hazelt, and many more be so honored as to know thier work and insights were good after all stood the test of science and time. I am just thankful enough to know that at 46, I will get to see the out come

don't bash democrats. I think that's a fair request. In fact, what point is there in bashing anyone. Bashing is sheer violence. Be nice or at least try to show some respect. We are all passengers of a gigantic shipwreck called Statism and Big government and police state mentality and whatever else you want to throw into the mix. Integrity is what we are seeking. Integrity of government, respecting the constitution, freedom for all. Forget about party labels, please, let's just work together as one. Part of the freedom message is allowing others to be who or what they want to be. Part of the arrogance message is thinking you're better than everyone else or that you are more correct or that you know what's good for everybody. Remember the word rEVOLution has that word LOVE inside of it. Now kiss and make up everyone, we have work to do.

Why one simple reason I just so happen to realize that Republicans where fascist before I realized Democrats were socialist heading towards communist. Guys neither of these these ideaologies are good ones. They both lead to dictatorship. We need to secure seperation of church and state. We need to secure the Bill of Rights. We need to uphold the Constitution. We need to secure a free market economy (capitalism). This is all we need folks All the rich people of today became rich through this ideaology. The only problem is once they got theirs they started closing it off to others. There is no rich and poor on this site. There is only poor. Even if you have millions of dollars today that means nothing in a fascist and communist country. Today your rich, tommorow they take it. You mean nothing in their grand plan. Money is not evil. but the love of it will make a man do almost anything. If you truly loved your money you would get rid of it now and donate to RP. Without him in office your money will soon be gone. That is unless your willing to bend down and lick the commadors boots. Wake up my brothers wipe the sleep from your eyes. Today is your day to choose are we a free people or not. Is it worth fighting for freedom or is it not. Will we work together or will we be divided. This is a video of what it looks like when people throw these ideaologies aside and become one. just think its important to see what it looks like so we don't forget what its like. This is my meetup we are equally split between Republicans Democrates Libretarians and Independants. Our should I say Recovering:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHco0jrT7yc

Dr. Paul represents hope for all of us regardless of beliefs. A study of US history will reveal that the founding fathers worked together to get the job done. It was the only way they could succeed and they knew it.

"Hang together or we will all hang together."

Keep in mind that these men, if captured by the British, would have been killed.

They gave us a great document that is now the only thing between us and slavery. I am sure the majority of the people reading this know what has happened in the last 6 years alone to our constitutional protections. In the last six months through "acts" and executive orders elements within the current administration have suspended Posse Comitatus. This will allow the president to order US soldiers to kill US citizens. This is one part of the Warner Act which has helped make the president of the United States on a par with the head of North Korea. I care very little for any American's political affiliation.

Dr. Paul does not represent a chance for the Republican party to "come back."

Dr. Paul does not represent a chance for one party to defeat another.

Dr. Paul does not represent a chance for a liberal or a conservative.

Dr. Paul is hope for all Americans. As the man who has wrapped himself in the constitution of the United States he is one chance we all have at saving our country and our individual rights.

When considering ripping another another candidate or organization keep in mind that the people who want to beat Dr. Paul are praying that our camp will split. They are frightened of us and what Dr. Paul represents.

I think we have to fight this one like it is the last one. If anyone wants to stand beside me in the last fight I'm not checking their background.

Best to all,

T

You know this is dailypaul.com right?
No where here does it say I have to be pro-Hillary.
In my opinion, I think she's the Antithesis of what I want my government to be about. My criticism is with her and not with Democrat voters.
People are people, and once they understand that a failing dollar will make cost of living go up and make even a gallon of milk expensive they'll understand.

Like that corny 1st commercial says, you may not agree with everything Ron Paul says, but he's honest. He honest and sincere and has no hidden motives. He simply wants to give back our freedoms and reduce the scope of government.

Actually Ron Paul isn't going to immediately eliminate large socialist programs like Social Security, but is going to make it so kids can opt out.
It's all about a gradual work in progress so that at the end of his 8 years the person that takes the helm from him will be able to do so without giving me a heart attack.

I do think, however, that Devil Advocate brings up a point at an odd time and place. I am almost suspicious if this was not done intentionally so as to disrupt our grassroots campaign. Yesterday there were a few people calling to fire Snyder because of that ad on the youtube thread. I asked them which meetup group they were in and they wouldn't say.

Anyways, stay alert folks, the attacks are going to get stronger before they get weaker. We are officially in the third stage of Gandhi's quote, that isn't just Ron Paul, that's all of us.

I admire your passion and your support for Paul, but I must respectfully say that you have nothing to be proud of for voting Democrat.

To over-generalize for a moment, Democrats want a socialized economy. Socialism is demonstrably evil. Republicans, at least the modern-day neo-con variety, want to crush our liberties "in the name of security." This is equally evil, just a different kind. Liberty means freedom from government control; Democrats and Republicans both favor government control.

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

I was once like you, but in the reverse: I voted Republican, because I viewed it as my duty to do anything in my power to stop socialism. Now, I'll only vote for the Constitution. If no candidate represents it, I will write in "Thomas Jefferson." Luckily, this election we have Ron Paul.

Welcome aboard, my fellow Patriot!