Just got recalled
Submitted by RealistUSMC on Mon, 04/28/2008 - 12:39
I just got my letter today notifying me that I must report for screening to determine if I can be recalled or not. Basically it's a formality, I have been recalled.
I have no gripe with this, I knew it was a possibility when I signed up, but it sure sucks.
Since I got out in 2006 I have been going to school full time and have maintained a 4.0 gpa. I am getting married this weekend and my first child is expected no later than June 5. I might not even be here when he's born. It just kinda sucks.
I'm wondering if anyone else out there got a USMC recall recently or knows someone that has.
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Before you decide
on your plan of action you should take into account that the powers that be, posers though they are, aren't ignoring the possibility that many on the recall list will attempt to do as you have stated. They won't allow this to happen. The shortage of troops is going to make them desperate and if any one gets on their radar they and their lackey court system will be more than happy to make an example of you. Step carefully and I would suggest talking to an attorney before I would even tip my hand about an educational deferment or more particularly if you decide to go the constitutional route.
If not us than who?
I agree, but....
Let me tell you a little story. I spent nearly 7 years in the navy out of my 22 total years, combined USAF/ANG/USN. Even then, the Navy had an unethical policy that prevented you from rotating off a ship unless you had enough enlistment time to complete a shore tour. The only shore tour they'd offer me was instructor school, which I didn't want. However, I told them I'd grudgingly take instructor school if they would make the tour two years instead of three. The Navy agreed, cut me orders for a two year hitch at Navy Electronics School in Norfolk, and I accepted the orders. Thirteen months into the tour, the Navy told me I'd have to extend my enlistment a year for the full 3 year tour. I contacted JAG. The Navy then said I either had to extend or they would ship me to New London, CT. The JAG officer told them, if they did that, they could only ship me to New London for the 11 months I had left on my enlistment. The US Navy backed down. No guts, no glory. I stuck my neck out identifying myself and facing possible prosecution under the UCMJ (the government can do that to retirees) to offer this Marine encouragement. If I can do that for a stranger, but fellow warrior, the least he can do is listen to me.
The way I see it, Marine, you have two choices. You can go back to Iraq, violate international law, probably kill innocent people or get yourself killed, then face future war crimes charges after the Fed crashes the dollar and ruins the country. Or, Marine, you can fulfill your sworn oath to "support and defend the Constitution..." and risk harassment, even jail from a corrupt government.
The choice is yours. Only the dead don't face risks.
Seek asylum in Finland. Our
Seek asylum in Finland. Our president (a lawyer, although a socialist one) has declared the Iraq war and the occupation illegal so you should have success in making a plea directly to her.
Sorry, Folks
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Not so fast, Marine...
I'm a retired Master Sergeant (22 years, USAF [you Marines work too hard]), who volunteered at 17, five days out of high school, to go to Vietnam and "kill commies". I still hate communism; but then, I naively believed the SEATO treaty enabled the US to fight in Vietnam without a Constitutional declaration of war. You and I took an oath "...to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND domestic." There's nothing in there about helping our government attack, invade and occupy another country without provocation. Secretary General Annan admitted the US violated the UN Charter by our actions, which constitute "crimes against humanity." So, here's what I suggest. You contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations should help) and draft a letter, stating you will NOT execute ANY unlawful order (that action violates the UCMJ), including deploying, supporting deployment or providing any logistics support to our present illegal operations in Iraq. Reference the Lt. Wataba case; as, in it the government tacitly admitted our present operations in Iraq are illegal, and could subject you and other military forces to war crimes prosecution.
I bet your recall orders will be canceled.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
Thomas Jefferson
Robert Fallin
Thank you!
I wish nothing but to have you see you child born. It is atrocious that you be recalled! You and your family have my love and support. I am not a man of means, but you and yours have my undying support. If there is anything that we, as a community, can do....well, you know the rest.
tims2023@hotmail.com
Do not hesitate to ask.
Not so fast, Marine...
I'm a retired Master Sergeant (22 years, USAF [you Marines work too hard]), who volunteered at 17, five days out of high school, to go to Vietnam and "kill commies". I still hate communism; but then, I naively believed the SEATO treaty enabled the US to fight in Vietnam without a Constitutional declaration of war. You and I took an oath "...to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND domestic." There's nothing in there about helping our government attack, invade and occupy another country without provocation. Secretary General Annan admitted the US violated the UN Charter by our actions, which constitute "crimes against humanity." So, here's what I suggest. You contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations should help) and draft a letter, stating you will NOT execute ANY unlawful order (that action violates the UCMJ), including deploying, supporting deployment or providing any logistics support to our present illegal operations in Iraq. Reference the Lt. Wataba case; as, in it the government tacitly admitted our present operations in Iraq are illegal, and could subject you and other military forces to war crimes prosecution.
I bet your recall orders will be canceled.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
Thomas Jefferson
Robert Fallin
Not so fast, Marine...
I'm a retired Master Sergeant (22 years, USAF [you Marines work too hard]), who volunteered at 17, five days out of high school, to go to Vietnam and "kill commies". I still hate communism; but then, I naively believed the SEATO treaty enabled the US to fight in Vietnam without a Constitutional declaration of war. You and I took an oath "...to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND domestic." There's nothing in there about helping our government attack, invade and occupy another country without provocation. Secretary General Annan admitted the US violated the UN Charter by our actions, which constitute "crimes against humanity." So, here's what I suggest. You contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations should help) and draft a letter, stating you will NOT execute ANY unlawful order (that action violates the UCMJ), including deploying, supporting deployment or providing any logistics support to our present illegal operations in Iraq. Reference the Lt. Wataba case; as, in it the government tacitly admitted our present operations in Iraq are illegal, and could subject you and other military forces to war crimes prosecution.
I bet your deployment orders will be canceled.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
Thomas Jefferson
Robert Fallin
Not so fast, Marine...
I'm a retired Master Sergeant (22 years, USAF [you Marines work too hard]), who volunteered at 17, five days out of high school, to go to Vietnam and "kill commies". I still hate communism; but then, I naively believed the SEATO treaty enabled the US to fight in Vietnam without a Constitutional declaration of war. You and I took an oath "...to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND domestic." There's nothing in there about helping our government attack, invade and occupy another country without provocation. Secretary General Annan admitted the US violated the UN Charter by our actions, which constitute "crimes against humanity." So, here's what I suggest. You contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations should help) and draft a letter, stating you will NOT execute ANY unlawful order (that action violates the UCMJ), including deploying, supporting deployment or providing any logistics support to our present illegal operations in Iraq. Reference the Lt. Wataba case; as, in it the government tacitly admitted our present operations in Iraq are illegal, and could subject you and other military forces to war crimes prosecution.
I bet your deployment orders will be canceled.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
Thomas Jefferson
Robert Fallin
go to grad school and just deferr it
just sign up for grad school and defer the whole thing.
Not so fast, Marine
I'm a retired Master Sergeant with 22 years. I joined the Air Force (You marines work too hard) when I was 17, five days out of high school, because I hate communism and I believed our efforts in Viet Nam were both honorable and legal. I knew Congress had circumvented the Constitution, but I believed then, naively, that we could go to war under the SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) treaty. I feel I am qualified to remind you of your obligation to "support and defend the Constitution". Does that oath you took willingly say ANYTHING about supporting the government? Secretary General Annan admitted the UN Charter does not support our actions in Iraq. Therefore, this war is illegal and those who participate are war criminals. My advice to you is to contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations can help you) and draft a letter to your recall authority, in which you state, "Under my responsibilities to the UCMJ, I will NOT execute an unlawful order. This means I will not deploy, assist deployment or provide logistics support to the illegal operation in Iraq. You might document this by referring the mistrial of Lt. Wataba, when the government tacitly admitted the war is illegal.
I'll bet you won't be recalled.
"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"
Thomas Jefferson
Sincerely,
Robert Fallin
MSgt, USAF, Retired
Not so fast, Marine
I'm a retired Master Sergeant with 22 years. I joined the Air Force (You marines work too hard) when I was 17, five days out of high school, because I hate communism and I believed our efforts in Viet Nam were both honorable and legal. I knew Congress had circumvented the Constitution, but I believed then, naively, that we could go to war under the SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) treaty. I feel I am qualified to remind you of your obligation to "support and defend the Constitution". Does that oath you took willingly say ANYTHING about supporting the government? Secretary General Annan admitted the UN Charter does not support our actions in Iraq. Therefore, this war is illegal and those who participate are war criminals. My advice to you is to contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations can help you) and draft a letter to your recall authority, in which you state, "Under my responsibilities to the UCMJ, I will NOT execute an unlawful order. This means I will not deploy, assist deployment or provide logistics support to the illegal operation in Iraq. You might document this by referring the mistrial of Lt. Wataba, when the government tacitly admitted the war is illegal.
I'll bet you won't be recalled.
"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"
Thomas Jefferson
Sincerely,
Robert Fallin
MSgt, USAF, Retired
Not so fast, Marine
I'm a retired Master Sergeant with 22 years. I joined the Air Force (You marines work too hard) when I was 17, five days out of high school, because I hate communism and I believed our efforts in Viet Nam were both honorable and legal. I knew Congress had circumvented the Constitution, but I believed then, naively, that we could go to war under the SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) treaty. I feel I am qualified to remind you of your obligation to "support and defend the Constitution". Does that oath you took willingly say ANYTHING about supporting the government? Secretary General Annan admitted the UN Charter does not support our actions in Iraq. Therefore, this war is illegal and those who participate are war criminals. My advice to you is to contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations can help you) and draft a letter to your recall authority, in which you state, "Under my responsibilities to the UCMJ, I will NOT execute an unlawful order. This means I will not deploy, assist deployment or provide logistics support to the illegal operation in Iraq. You might document this by referring the mistrial of Lt. Wataba, when the government tacitly admitted the war is illegal.
I'll bet you won't be recalled.
"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"
Thomas Jefferson
Sincerely,
Robert Fallin
MSgt, USAF, Retired
Not so fast, Marine
I'm a retired Master Sergeant with 22 years. I joined the Air Force (You marines work too hard) when I was 17, five days out of high school, because I hate communism and I believed our efforts in Viet Nam were both honorable and legal. I knew Congress had circumvented the Constitution, but I believed then, naively, that we could go to war under the SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) treaty. I feel I am qualified to remind you of your obligation to "support and defend the Constitution". Does that oath you took willingly say ANYTHING about supporting the government? Secretary General Annan admitted the UN Charter does not support our actions in Iraq. Therefore, this war is illegal and those who participate are war criminals. My advice to you is to contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations can help you) and draft a letter to your recall authority, in which you state, "Under my responsibilities to the UCMJ, I will NOT execute an unlawful order. This means I will not deploy, assist deployment or provide logistics support to the illegal operation in Iraq. You might document this by referring the mistrial of Lt. Wataba, when the government tacitly admitted the war is illegal.
I'll bet you won't be recalled.
"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"
Thomas Jefferson
Sincerely,
Robert Fallin
MSgt, USAF, Retired
Not so fast, Marine
I'm a retired Master Sergeant with 22 years. I joined the Air Force (You marines work too hard) when I was 17, five days out of high school, because I hate communism and I believed our efforts in Viet Nam were both honorable and legal. I knew Congress had circumvented the Constitution, but I believed then, naively, that we could go to war under the SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) treaty. I feel I am qualified to remind you of your obligation to "support and defend the Constitution". Does that oath you took willingly say ANYTHING about supporting the government? Secretary General Annan admitted the UN Charter does not support our actions in Iraq. Therefore, this war is illegal and those who participate are war criminals. My advice to you is to contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations can help you) and draft a letter to your recall authority, in which you state, "Under my responsibilities to the UCMJ, I will NOT execute an unlawful order. This means I will not deploy, assist deployment or provide logistics support to the illegal operation in Iraq. You might document this by referring the mistrial of Lt. Wataba, when the government tacitly admitted the war is illegal.
I'll bet you won't be recalled.
"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"
Thomas Jefferson
Sincerely,
Robert Fallin
MSgt, USAF, Retired
Not so fast, Marine
I'm a retired Master Sergeant with 22 years. I joined the Air Force (You marines work too hard) when I was 17, five days out of high school, because I hate communism and I believed our efforts in Viet Nam were both honorable and legal. I knew Congress had circumvented the Constitution, but I believed then, naively, that we could go to war under the SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) treaty. I feel I am qualified to remind you of your obligation to "support and defend the Constitution". Does that oath you took willingly say ANYTHING about supporting the government? Secretary General Annan admitted the UN Charter does not support our actions in Iraq. Therefore, this war is illegal and those who participate are war criminals. My advice to you is to contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations can help you) and draft a letter to your recall authority, in which you state, "Under my responsibilities to the UCMJ, I will NOT execute an unlawful order. This means I will not deploy, assist deployment or provide logistics support to the illegal operation in Iraq. You might document this by referring the mistrial of Lt. Wataba, when the government tacitly admitted the war is illegal.
I'll bet you won't be recalled.
"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"
Thomas Jefferson
Sincerely,
Robert Fallin
MSgt, USAF, Retired
Not so fast, Marine
I'm a retired Master Sergeant with 22 years. I joined the Air Force (You marines work too hard) when I was 17, five days out of high school, because I hate communism and I believed our efforts in Viet Nam were both honorable and legal. I knew Congress had circumvented the Constitution, but I believed then, naively, that we could go to war under the SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) treaty. I feel I am qualified to remind you of your obligation to "support and defend the Constitution". Does that oath you took willingly say ANYTHING about supporting the government? Secretary General Annan admitted the UN Charter does not support our actions in Iraq. Therefore, this war is illegal and those who participate are war criminals. My advice to you is to contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations can help you) and draft a letter to your recall authority, in which you state, "Under my responsibilities to the UCMJ, I will NOT execute an unlawful order. This means I will not deploy, assist deployment or provide logistics support to the illegal operation in Iraq. You might document this by referring the mistrial of Lt. Wataba, when the government tacitly admitted the war is illegal.
I'll bet you won't be recalled.
"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"
Thomas Jefferson
Sincerely,
Robert Fallin
MSgt, USAF, Retired
Not so fast, Marine
I'm a retired Master Sergeant with 22 years. I joined the Air Force (You marines work too hard) when I was 17, five days out of high school, because I hate communism and I believed our efforts in Viet Nam were both honorable and legal. I knew Congress had circumvented the Constitution, but I believed then, naively, that we could go to war under the SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) treaty. I feel I am qualified to remind you of your obligation to "support and defend the Constitution". Does that oath you took willingly say ANYTHING about supporting the government? Secretary General Annan admitted the UN Charter does not support our actions in Iraq. Therefore, this war is illegal and those who participate are war criminals. My advice to you is to contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations can help you) and draft a letter to your recall authority, in which you state, "Under my responsibilities to the UCMJ, I will NOT execute an unlawful order. This means I will not deploy, assist deployment or provide logistics support to the illegal operation in Iraq. You might document this by referring the mistrial of Lt. Wataba, when the government tacitly admitted the war is illegal.
I'll bet you won't be recalled.
"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"
Thomas Jefferson
Sincerely,
Robert Fallin
MSgt, USAF, Retired
Not so fast, Marine
I'm a retired Master Sergeant with 22 years. I joined the Air Force (You marines work too hard) when I was 17, five days out of high school, because I hate communism and I believed our efforts in Viet Nam were both honorable and legal. I knew Congress had circumvented the Constitution, but I believed then, naively, that we could go to war under the SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) treaty. I feel I am qualified to remind you of your obligation to "support and defend the Constitution". Does that oath you took willingly say ANYTHING about supporting the government? Secretary General Annan admitted the UN Charter does not support our actions in Iraq. Therefore, this war is illegal and those who participate are war criminals. My advice to you is to contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations can help you) and draft a letter to your recall authority, in which you state, "Under my responsibilities to the UCMJ, I will NOT execute an unlawful order. This means I will not deploy, assist deployment or provide logistics support to the illegal operation in Iraq. You might document this by referring the mistrial of Lt. Wataba, when the government tacitly admitted the war is illegal.
I'll bet you won't be recalled.
"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"
Thomas Jefferson
Sincerely,
Robert Fallin
MSgt, USAF, Retired
Not so fast, Marine
I'm a retired Master Sergeant with 22 years. I joined the Air Force (You marines work too hard) when I was 17, five days out of high school, because I hate communism and I believed our efforts in Viet Nam were both honorable and legal. I knew Congress had circumvented the Constitution, but I believed then, naively, that we could go to war under the SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) treaty. I feel I am qualified to remind you of your obligation to "support and defend the Constitution". Does that oath you took willingly say ANYTHING about supporting the government? Secretary General Annan admitted the UN Charter does not support our actions in Iraq. Therefore, this war is illegal and those who participate are war criminals. My advice to you is to contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations can help you) and draft a letter to your recall authority, in which you state, "Under my responsibilities to the UCMJ, I will NOT execute an unlawful order. This means I will not deploy, assist deployment or provide logistics support to the illegal operation in Iraq. You might document this by referring the mistrial of Lt. Wataba, when the government tacitly admitted the war is illegal.
I'll bet you won't be recalled.
"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"
Thomas Jefferson
Sincerely,
Robert Fallin
MSgt, USAF, Retired
Not so fast, Marine
I'm a retired Master Sergeant with 22 years. I joined the Air Force (You marines work too hard) when I was 17, five days out of high school, because I hate communism and I believed our efforts in Viet Nam were both honorable and legal. I knew Congress had circumvented the Constitution, but I believed then, naively, that we could go to war under the SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) treaty. I feel I am qualified to remind you of your obligation to "support and defend the Constitution". Does that oath you took willingly say ANYTHING about supporting the government? Secretary General Annan admitted the UN Charter does not support our actions in Iraq. Therefore, this war is illegal and those who participate are war criminals. My advice to you is to contact an attorney or paralegal (the antiwar organizations can help you) and draft a letter to your recall authority, in which you state, "Under my responsibilities to the UCMJ, I will NOT execute an unlawful order. This means I will not deploy, assist deployment or provide logistics support to the illegal operation in Iraq. You might document this by referring the mistrial of Lt. Wataba, when the government tacitly admitted the war is illegal.
I'll bet you won't be recalled.
"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism"
Thomas Jefferson
Sincerely,
Robert Fallin
MSgt, USAF, Retired
Nice!
I'm a Master Sergeant myself! :) Nice to see another on here!
I listened to an interesting discussion the other day, about changing the pledge of allegiance to reflect allegiance to the Constitution, instead of simply pledging allegiance to the flag. I think this definitely needs to be pushed for. I realize this has nothing to do with the oath of enlistment, but it is somewhat relevant.
The Retrocon
Hope for America, Ron Paul for President in 2008!
The Retrocon
Hope for America, Ron Paul for President in 2008!
also...
file for tinnitus (ringing in the ear). it's an easy 10% disability. at your audiology exam they will ask you if the ringing is present at that moment. say yes. they'll ask you when it started. give them a date you were deployed or at a shooting range. something like that.
the higher your % the less the government will want you back.
No matter who you vote for, the government always gets in - Bill Hicks
Man, I'm sorry
I've been active duty for nearly 17 years, and I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm pretty sure that I'll be deployed before my time is up, and I totally disagree with what is going on. Check this out, I just found this the other day. I talk about Ron Paul with everyone, even though we aren't supposed to politick at work...and I put up a blown up pic of me shaking hands with him under a Ron Paul for President bumper sticker on the wall of my desk at work.
Good luck.
www.appealforredress.org
The Retrocon
Hope for America, Ron Paul for President in 2008!
The Retrocon
Hope for America, Ron Paul for President in 2008!
try to get out ... if you
try to get out ... if you can't tell your fellow marines how big a bunch of BS this war is.. take them Ron Pauls book! get them educated.. we need you Marines here at home soon too! remember.. your oath to fight enemies foreign and domestic.. there are many domestic enemies and they are not the civians who live in this great country!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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They should recall McCain
Put him up front!!!
Isn't the oath of office
the same for military? Couldn't you become a freedom fighter by standing up if you do get recalled and say that you feel the mission you are being asked to participate in is in violation of your oath? Seems like someone in the military needs to stand up. Congrats on the baby btw.
be safe okay?
and never forget -you guys are always in our prayers and we wont shut up til youre home.
We'll get you back as soon as we can
In the mean time, if you do go, see if you can figure out a way to make the voices of the military heard loud and clear for Ron Paul. See if they can think of a way to get on TV promoting Dr. Paul. Stay safe.
honey
you stay safe as you can,,,,congratulations on marriage and baby,,,we ll think of you and keep you and all the other soldiers there in our prayers