Help FEMA catch lawbreakers burying survival items.

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Due to the likelihood that FEMA or other government agents will enforce restrictions that violate citizens' rights to own guns, ammunition, food reserves, and precious metals in the event of a severe depression or other calamity, some outlaws might consider burying at least some of their cache of survival items in well-sealed, unbreakable plastic containers.

Large PVC pipe sections with glued-on end caps might be used for smaller items like guns, ammunition, and precious metals. Guns could be wrapped in oil-drenched rags and inside plastic bags. When gluing, these scofflaws would know to swab surfaces with PVC primer first then make sure to quickly and thoroughly slop lots of PVC glue on the parts to be joined, speedily join them, rotating a partial turn, and hold them tightly in place for at least five seconds, ensuring a watertight capsule. Some might use a clean-out plug for easier opening, well sealed on both threaded surfaces with sticky wax from a wax toilet ring after the cache capsule is loaded for burial.

Where might they bury these capsules? Scofflaws realize that anything metal (gold, silver, guns & ammo) buried in their yard or hidden in their wall or attic can be easily located with a good metal detector and they could be prosecuted for noncompliance or conspiracy to withhold contraband if detected. Therefore they are apt to select an off-site location that is free from prying eyes as they bury, a site also unlikely to be bulldozed in the near future. First they would select a spot that aligns with permanent features so they could relocate it. They would use a small tarp to protect the surface from soil spillage and load one or more plastic buckets with their excavated earth. Before digging, they would carefully set aside any surface debris so they could replace it afterward to disguise their digging location. A smart illegal hoarder would tamp the earth well as they covered the cache capsule so it will not settle, leaving a telltale depression.

Since anti-hoarding statutes may entail house-to-house searches for food reserves, expect illegal hoarders to hide at least part of their food reserves underground. This presents a more complex challenge than burying smaller items. One likely if surprising ruse is to hide food reserves in a septic tank. Let me explain.

The hoarder realizes he needs a strong, waterproof, good-sized chamber for storing sealed plastic buckets full of storage foods underground. I have recently researched polyethylene septic tanks and suspect they are already in use for this purpose. They are light enough to be transported by pickup and carried or dragged by two people. They come equipped with manhole covers that could be sealed using the toilet ring wax method after they are stocked with provisions, plus they are non-metallic so a metal detector cannot be used to find them. These tanks are available for about a dollar per gallon capacity. You can judge for yourself by googling "plastic septic tanks" or follow some of these links to investigate:
http://www.plastic-mart.com/index.htm
http://www.ntotank.com/?gclid=CO_r5_6l_pICFSAtHgodOz20yA
http://www.tank-depot.com/
http://www.fralo.net/
http://www.loomistank.com/
http://www.watertanks.com/undergroundtanks/

Many suppliers also sell underground cistern tanks that might also be used in this fashion, not to mention as rainwater storage tanks for which they are intended.

Those who conspire to hoard foodstuffs are sure to select long-term storage foods, adequately protected against moisture and insects. LDS church members have lots of information on storage techniques, which outlaws should be able to locate online.

Here again, care is probably taken to conceal signs of recent excavation, so lots of tarps are no doubt laid down, topsoil set aside for later replacement, and grooming/planting/littering to resemble the surrounding terrain as the final touch. The manhole cover would be buried at least as deep as the top of the tank is wide to avoid any hollow sounds. A sheet of plastic covering the manhole would protect against earth intrusions when the chamber is opened. Let's say illegal hoarders planned to bury a 1,000-gallon tank. They would need to remove at least 300 five-gallon buckets-full of earth. That's a lot of digging over several days so they would pick a location hidden from view and unlikely to attract visitors. They could be slowed down or even thwarted by big boulders, bedrock, or tangled tree roots, plus they would have to find a home for their excess dirt away from their cache site. They would be sure to have a couple pairs of tough, comfortable gloves and a good, stout long-handled shovel before they begin. It would be a bit of a workout.

Now that you know the details of how criminal hoarders are apt to try to thwart federal authorities you will be better able to spot suspicious activity and turn them in to the proper authorities. Go get 'em!

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Not seen

a plastic septic tank up close. Are the sides engineered not to collapse when the dirt is backfilled, or do they have to be filled with water before backfilling?

They have large ribs all around to strengthen

so I believe the answer is that they would not collapse.

The only thing getting

The only thing getting burried at my house will be the FEMA or DHS Agents! :-)

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Great Article!

And, some really funny comments!

betty

Safe place for cash or coin.

The best place for small amount of cash, gold or silver coins is a tampon box. NO MAN will touch it.

this is why you dont bury

this is why you dont bury your stuff. you hang it inside at the top of your trees.

This article

Is classic...and Thank you for bringing it back to the surface....

Peace

If a FEMA employee is buried

does that count as a survival item?

Earth Penetrating Radar

Remember those perverts that held that woman for 18 years?

The police used Earth Penetrating Radar to look around in the backyard for evidence.

Forget the metal detector stuff.

If I remember correctly the EPR can "look" down 20 feet underground and can give a computer generated image of what the machine "sees" below.

For him who has ears to hear....let him hear.

This Reminds me...

At the end of 1984 when the main character writes the glossary or something, he adds in alot of good stuff.

Alot of my friends who have read it just skipped it cuz the first 3 pages are just dry glossary stuff, but its my fav part of the book. I tell them to go back and read it, they all love it.

fortune favors the bold

McClarinJ

Did you author this post? Does this post come from FEMA?

Please source.

Yes and no

Yes, I authored it and no, it doesn't come from FEMA. Sometimes I succumb to a mischievous sprite ;-)

Rex84 has it right. Though it was tongue-in-cheek it was written to inform.

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New Hampshire and Ecuador

Paranoid?..LOL

You really think FEMA is going to send this out.. :O)

Paranoid?

No, but the poster may be. This post has a BS odor about it.

Starting with a misleading title and the way it is written.

It's tongue-in-cheek

But there's actually some very good info in there for a food hoarder.

http://legislativevigilance.blogspot.com
http://2ndtuesdayconstitutiongroup.com

Clever

I liked it. However, personally, I'll follow in the footsteps of the founding fathers and draw the line at confiscation of food and weapons. That's where I make my last stand. I figure I can take out at least 2 of them with me.

then bury other things

and take out way more than two

Bury it in the backyard...

Then throw nails all over the place. :)

Nails

Then they would bring in a backhoe and plow up the whole place.

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Regarding guns, just

Regarding guns, just recently the state of Wyoming made it illegal to confiscate legally owned guns for any reason regardless of whether there is some emergency, natural disaster, etc. I've read another article which mentioned that at least 10 states have similar laws on the books.

But something I did not know until just a few minutes ago...

As per section 557 of H.R. 5441 [109th]: Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act, 2007 which was signed into law in October 2006 http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-5441 Basically, legally owned guns cannot be confiscated by federal officials.

---quote---
Amends the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (Stafford Act) to prohibit any U.S. officer or employee, or person operating under color of federal law, under control of a federal official, or providing services to such person, while acting in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency, from: (1) seizing any firearm the possession of which is not prohibited under federal or state law, other than for forfeiture in compliance with federal law or as evidence in a criminal investigation; (2) requiring registration of any firearm for which registration is not required by federal or state law; (3) prohibiting possession of any firearm where such possession is not otherwise prohibited; or (4) prohibiting the carrying of a firearm by any person otherwise authorized to carry firearms, solely because such person is operating under the control of a federal agency in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency. Authorizes any individual aggrieved by a violation of this Act to seek relief by bringing an action for redress and by bringing a civil action in U.S. district court for return of a confiscated firearm.
---end quote---

I don't know whether the entire law is "good" but it seems at least section 557 is. But, it probably is still a good idea to be cautious....

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Red herring?

If this signified a change in federal posture, then why are federal agents reportedly showing up at gun shows and buying all the ammo so attendees can't get any?

New Hampshire and Ecuador

surely not..

there is enough demand right now that this SHOULDN"T be happening. None of the guys I know would even consider selling to someone who was simply trying to deplete the ammo. There's to many people buying for the right reason right now.

That would be pretty

That would be pretty expensive, wouldn't it? I looked at our gun show's prices and about fainted.

Excellent

The original post is excellent and all the replies I have enjoyed. What great foresight. Isn't public land - public? Aren't federal parks public land?

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OK

I'll stick one up a tree too.

I actually envisioned keeping a gun in the house until FEMA came and confiscated it. Then I would go dig up a buried one and probably flee to my retreat.

New Hampshire and Ecuador

Why bury anything????????

Especially a weapon where it would be hard to retrieve if needed on an immediate basis. It is so much easier to take a ladder and secure it on top of a tree limb where it is out of sight. With current camo paints available, it would be extremely difficult to find unless you knew it was there. Besides, I haven't seen any feds yet climb a tree with a metal detector.

Old Soviet Joke: Q: Why

Old Soviet Joke:

Q: Why does the Russian housewife pour motor oil in her flower beds?

A: To keep the guns from rusting.

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Good one!

Good one!

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Love it!

Their humor helped them cope with their bleak existence under communism.

New Hampshire and Ecuador

Funny

My Mother grew up in Ukraine. She then escaped communism to live in the states. She did tell me about a few things that were OK and few things that were terrible.

Here is some irony, I have been born and raised in the States. I then escaped DEMOCRACY (US version of communism) to live in the Dominican Republic. Maybe its in our blood. I dont need to tell you about things there.

Funny aint it.

Freedom may be worth searching for.

Remember, Dont battle the govt with guns(ALONE), Beat them in court, in state legislature, or hire Ron Paul for president.