H.R. 1955 -- Our freedom stolen
Submitted by kellj22 on Sun, 10/28/2007 - 17:29Folks, October 25, 2007 is surely a sad day for the American people and our fight to keep our protected civil liberties. As if we needed any more reason to support Ron Paul, here is a huge one. Legislation like this cannot go on!!
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1955.RFS:
The House has just **quietly --without the knowledge of American people ** passed the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007". This is by far the largest attack on our civil liberties since the likes of the Patriot Act, though this one is actually more dangerous. It's language is even vague enough that the actions/emails/conversations of Ron Paul supporters prone to patriotic dissent could be seen as homegrown terrorism threats.
As Tracey of Meetup group 121 mentioned: "Under this type of Legislative thinking, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton and the other Founding Fathers, would be jailed!!!!"
I just read the whole bill and got pretty upset. It passed on October 25, 2007. Please read the bill on the HofR website:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1955.RFS:
I wrote preventative letters to Senators today, and sent a pretty strong email to the person responsible for presenting this bill: embarassingly, a representative from my state of California -- Representative Jane Harman (D).
We have to let people know about this -- Ron Paul supporters probably have their finger on the pulse, but everyone else out there needs to know. This is dangerous to all. It is unconstitutional and frightening, far more than a "homegrown terrorist threat". It continues to send us into fascist state.
Please ACT NOW! Contact your Representatives! Get Ron Paul elected! It may be our last hope.
"THINK -- It's not illegal YET."
Please copy and paste the bad part of the bill
With this stuff, you have to copy and paste the relevant text.
I just looked at the bill but I do not know where they hid the bad stuff.
I know that they skillfully hide the bad stuff in bills and I also know they often add even worse stuff at the last second before the final vote.
At First this Really scared me
I thought they we're taking away all our rights by the way so many are talking here. So, I went and read it my self. Lighten up folks, they're not taking away ALL our rights. Its obvious if you read it, there is absolutely positively no mention what so ever of taking away our right to pay taxes...
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
The Right to be Taxed
lol... I don't remember that one in the Bill of Rights.
Well, from the way I hear
Well, from the way I hear some people dessent when repealing the Income Tax is mentioned, I thought it must be a basic human right instead of an obligation...
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
Heh, that reminds me of a
Heh, that reminds me of a report I recently read, which ranked the nations of the world according to their levels of economic freedom. I immediately knew it was put out by a bunch of leftists, because there were so many socialist-leaning countries listed as highly free. Anyone else would understand that socialism is economic slavery. As I read it, I said to myself, "they must be talking about the freedom of the citizenry to pay exorbitant taxes to wasteful government middlemen for welfare programs that many people don't believe in -- or else."
wow
Under this law, the Founders would be criminals. It just blows my mind.
Actually
The Founder WERE criminals, up until their victory.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
S. 1959
Now that the bill is in the Senate it is going by the number S. 1959. It still has the same name "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007." It is sponsored by Susan Collins (R-ME) and cosponsored by Norm Coleman (R-MN).
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1959
ACT!
EVERYONE -- CONTACT YOUR SENATORS NOW AND REGULARLY. We need to show them this is unacceptable.
In love, liberty and truth,
Kelly
RON PAUL 2008
In love, liberty and truth,
Kelly
RON PAUL 2008 & 2012
Have you all noticed...
the attack on our liberties increasing as we get closer to the elections?
I'm even beginning to wonder if we'll have elections at all... I suspect this "home grown terrorism" is in preparation for a public revolt.
"You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more."
18 months
If it passes the final report won't come out until 18 months later. So I don't think they'll actually do anything until they pass legislation based on recommendations in the final report. But we do need to try to stop this now.
Another nail in the coffin.
Another nail in the coffin. America, this grand experiment we called Liberty, has essentially failed. There's no point trying to fight for something that no longer exists; the goal now should be to overthrow this thing that America has become, and to re-instate what once was. I hope it can be accomplished peacefully rather than by armed revolt, but either way, the people will take back their freedom.
H.R. 1955
I must be missing something, because all I see referenced in the bill are violent acts and plans. The words "violent" and "violence" are repeated throughout the bill, and it seems clear to me that people peacefully supporting candidates, petitioning their government, etc., do not have to worry about this bill.
That said, I do think we all have to remain vigilant at all times about Congress, and I would never support this bill, simply because it is one more unnecessary bill.
But it seems to me that people are getting a little hysterical about nothing.
Homegrown Terrorism
Paraphrasing, the definition of homegrown terrorist is given as anyone who "threatens" the use of force to intimidate or coerce the US government in furtherance of a political objective.
The sole purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to guarantee citizens the means to "bear" arms against their own government if the need ever arises.
Leaders are breaking the law
Our leaders our breaking Constitutional Rule of Law when they support legislation like this.
The war on terror can be dealt with without sacrificing liberty.
Davy C Rockett
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vague language
Not hysterical by any means -- I am just pointing out one more bill that could become abused by the government to suit their needs. The vague language is what I'm worried about -- as well as the method of collecting this information about possible "homegrown terrorists". Since the government easily changed the definition of "torture" to suit their needs, what will stop them from changing the definition of "violence" or "coersion"? Also, the bill does spell out thought crimes as being terrorist activity, as well as specifically mentions internet activity as being a source of their concern. (Another part of the intent to regulate the last main source of free press and unregulated interaction we have). If we try to organize to do our patriotic duty of trying to rid ourselves of a government that we see as unfit and who LIES to us while stealing from us, this could be interpreted as "coer(sion) of the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."
Either way, it lays further groundwork to be able to effect and neutralize dissenting citizens. This is my worry. I am not an alarmist by any means, but I certainly do not trust the government to do the right thing at this point or interpret legislation for our benefit, after all that is happened over the past 6 years regarding unconstitutional legislation and invasion of privacy, as well as the several large lies we have had to swallow during for some time.
It's something to be watched very carefully and learned about, and we need to show our representatives that we're watching -- that's my two cents.
In love, liberty and truth,
Kelly
RON PAUL 2008
In love, liberty and truth,
Kelly
RON PAUL 2008 & 2012
H.R. 1955
The following link will be helpful for finding adresses for your representatives
http://www.opensecrets.org/politici
jimt
HR1955
This is a news article about HR1955 that explains the bill and also has a link to the actual text of the bill that is easier to read than the one above
http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=4682
I printed out the one that you posted and had a difficult time because each section kept overlapping. Everyone needs to print out this bill and really read it. This is worse than the Patriot Act. My Rep voted for it and I emailed him and told him he should have just burned the Constitution.. The bill is NOW in the Committee on Homeland Security and thank goodness, one of my Senators in on the Committee and says it may or may not make it to the floor of the Senate.
Don't wait for it to go to the Senate floor, call your Senators NOW! Tell them to vote against HR1955 IF it gets to the Senate floor. We have to stop this one!!!
Keep bumping this post up so everyone can see the bill.
house link
Thanks. The reason I posted the link I did is to show it is directly from the House site. I rarely print from a web page -- and I wanted to show a link directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak.
Everyone does need to read the whole thing. And contact your Senators immediately before they vote on it. Let them know you are serious.
In love, liberty and truth,
Kelly
RON PAUL 2008
In love, liberty and truth,
Kelly
RON PAUL 2008 & 2012
Two facts everyone should
Two facts everyone should take to heart about this H.R. 1955.
1. No one heard about it because the press is bought and paid for by the same few who have purchased our representatives.
2. 401 of our illustrious representatives voted yes. That is how many have been bought and paid for, nearly ALL of them.
IF Ron Paul loses this election we the people will only have one option remaining. I want to live. To live in peace in a nation reawakened to her proud and wonderful heritage of justice and freedom.
Everything is on the line over the next year.
Please pray for our nation. Please pray for America.
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..Without the truth we have nothing
Hey, Dave..
It's not quite that dark out yet, buck up, and whatever you do, don't lose your head....by the way, did you contact your representitive, and have you contacted your senator? If you say no, then I'm forced to assume that you really wish to become a martyr in a blaze of glory-that's not the way, and I'm not with you-not till the very last resort, and that is a long long way off-NOT next year.
Mike Stahl
Mike Stahl
.. a long long way off? No
.. a long long way off? No it is near. They are accelerating their agenda at an accelerating rate. One more false flag and there will be martial law and do you know what that means? They will go door to door demanding our guns.
They have already done that during Katrina. They have the detention centers already built. They cannot afford to allow Ron Paul to win. By the grace of God he can somehow actually get in to the white house but I doubt the murdering global elitists will allow that.
We have one year tops to restore our constitution by peaceful means. One year to educate the 300 million sheeple concerning their imminent doom. One year to get Ron Paul elected.
9/11 was an inside job and until everyone knows that we are in grave danger of it being repeated.
If they prefer not to risk another false flag they can simply crash the dollar anytime they choose. Same result. Martial law and the confiscation of our guns "for our own protection".
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..Without the truth we have nothing
In regards to this point...
"9/11 was an inside job and until everyone knows that we are in grave danger of it being repeated. If they prefer not to risk another false flag they can simply crash the dollar anytime they choose. Same result. Martial law and the confiscation of our guns "for our own protection"."
I doubt there will be another attack, if there is - it will be AFTER the election. When they hope, and have planned, that Hillary will be in power. Why? If they do it before, the Bush Admin will have failed to protect America [they know about the threat this time - rolleyes] - now if they have failed with the patriot act and all these other loses of liberties to protect America, then no loses of liberties will work. - Alternatively, they will say they need to take more, and MORE liberties.
One of my cases for thinking if they do, it will be after - is that the Bush Admin are considerate of how history will view them, they don't want a another failure. Furthermore, the Democrats will be less seen as a sinister threat - if say Hillary imposes martial law, instead of say, George Bush and the Republican party - people will be more willing to go along with it. And ahhh I'm now sounding conspiratorial.. *sigh* Alternatively, it would be cynical right?
“The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who haven't got it.”
~ George Bernard Shaw
Sure they would prefer to
Sure they would prefer to wait but how are they going to handle the upstart Doctor Paul? If it looks like Paul will win they will do anything they can to stop him. I pray for his safety every day and so should everyone. If they don't want to go that route or G.W. has gained more brownie points than Hillary they may decide martial law is better now than after the elections. Under martial law they can suspend elections indefinitely. G.W. would not necessarily suffer criticism for a crashing dollar. Once they get our guns it is all over. No more charades they will come out of the closet and show their true colors. Then it will be a new world. A new world where only the cowardly can survive and freedom will be granted to an elite few.
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..Without the truth we have nothing
“The time to stop a
“The time to stop a revolution is at the beginning, not the end.”
~ Adlai E. Stevenson.
“When dictatorship is a fact, revolution becomes a right”
~ Victor Hugo.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”
~ John Fitzgerald Kennedy
"Then it will be a new world." A new America, an old Germany. I'm just wondering how the countries will react to it. I seriously doubt ANY Australian newspaper is going to tell it like it is. So far they have refused to acknowledge Ron Paul.. not even seen one article about him. (I've emailed correspondents in the last few days) will see what happens. :)