Ron Paul unfavorable in Iowa :-(

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Over at usaelectionpolls.com it shows that Ron is not doing hot in Iowa. Also, we can't chalk it up to lack of name recognition because people that didn't know him could of just answered "unsure."

According to the polling, Ron has 88% name recognition in Iowa but only 28% find him favorable. That means 32% of the people that have have an opinion of him like him. That's compared to 78% of people who have an opinion of Mitt Romney.

What's going on here?

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Nothing is going on here.

This is reality. It's a real problem.

One to One

Ron Paul does have a good chance to win Iowa, as he's polling at around 10% there according to the last straw poll, which was a while ago, his fan base has probably grown slightly.

Either way, though, it doesn't matter. Ron Paul is basically guaranteed to win New Hampshire. So, that cancels out Iowa. And he will likely win Nevada as well, where he is polling 33% in straw polls. So, of the major early primary states, he is doing quite favorably in the majority. He will do extremely well in January, have no fear. :)

Iowa is a huge subsidized

Iowa is a huge subsidized state. Hard habit to break.
Love how Iowans think they are self-reliant.....love that.

What Would Vince Lombardi Say?

How many of you have ever played competitive sports? If your next game is predicted to be a major loss, does that mean you just give up and throw in the towel? I'm glad Arkansas didn't do that in the 1978 Orange Bowl! (The Hogs wound up clobbering Oklahoma in a major 31-6 upset.)

"Gentlemen, this is a political campaign." What all of you whiners on this board need to do is STOP WHINING and GET TO WORK.

Go to www.ronpaul2008.com and REGISTER with the national campaign if you haven't already done so. That way they know you're on board and can supply your information to your state campaign. THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT!

Join one or more of the thousand or more local Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Groups. Keep in touch with your fellow Revolutionaries, organize and make an impact.

If you're computer literate, get involved in any of the many forms of Internet campaigning out there (Emails, online polls, online endorsements, YouTube, whatever).

Hand out slim jims -- door to door, at parades, at fall festivals, on the streets.

Hold up the signs and banners at busy intersections.

Hold marches.

Wear Ron Paul shirts and caps when you're out.

Tell all the tipped employees you can find about the Tax Free Tips Act.

Write a letter to your congressman about the American Freedom Agenda Act, insert a table for names, addresses and signatures and have registered voters in your congressional district sign it. Then mail or fax it so they KNOW there's support out here for it.

ORGANIZE YOUR PRECINCT. Make sure your fellow citizens KNOW who Ron Paul is, what he stands for and how to get involved in the local campaign.

QUIT WORRYING ABOUT THE OTHER CANDIDATES, POLL NUMBERS, PROGNOSES ETC. There's no point fretting over things we can't control. Let's worry about the things we CAN control, do them well, and all these peripheral things will take care of themselves.

Paleoconservative

Hell...

YEA!

I was out waving signs today. I love it. I thought it would be goofy or something but I was very wrong. I really feel empowered when I'm out there.

I also like seeing all the pretty women that drive by and smile at me.

Be smart. Win.

take those nh pamplets--the wyoming speeches and add more

Mr. Dairy farmer, hero to so many veterans from his district, strong anti abortion, pro family, pro american(anti nafta freeway, spp, wto, etc) will do good. If he can get 9% from the straw poll from the old guard then they need to pull in this top mix and show who he is.

I wouldn't worry...

People like to pretend that they are well informed of all issues when asked about them. If they've even heard his name in passing they will claim that they "know about him". But unless those people were asked what his positions are on certain topics, I wouldn't trust that they know anything about him. 88% name recognition is NO WAY accurate unless there has been an all out blitz throughout Iowa to get his name out there. And for those who truly have heard of him I would guess that it's been through the debates whereby they probably listened to the booing and made their judgement of him from that.

There is no way that these numbers are accurate, because you could disagree with him on the war and still think of him favorably. Everything else he stands for is pure Americana.

Iowa is Very Right-Wing Christian & Very Pro-War

The Huckster will do well there.

Iowa a socialist state?

I don't know much about Iowa, but if what you all are saying is true, that voters may fear loss of govt subsidies & loss of their "welfare state":

Maybe a good ad there would be to SHOW Iowans why whatever $ they are getting from the federal govt WILL NOT be there much longer!

Talk economics, how our govt is broke, heading to bankruptcy... but not just wild claims, rather using logical mainstream analyses by reputable economists.

Convince them that depending on govt handouts is going to ruin them (ok, so be more subtle than that)... and that their only hope is self-sufficiency (hemp?)

Then show how RP's policies bring "hope for Iowa", as for all America.

My 2.

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A Socialist can explain why Ron Paul is unpopular in Iowa...

"Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it."

-George Bernard Shaw

Yup, that's a problem....

Farm subsidies are one of the most treasured of all welfare programs. Conservatives will rail against big, wasteful government spending all the way to the mailbox to get their subsidy check. Now, don't mess with that. It would be Un-American to take THAT away. This is something that is a sleeper concern in Iowa, and many other States, too.

alan laney

They don't KNOW him at all.

Perhaps the true difference is that the supporters of Ron Paul, will actually show up to vote!

I find the 88%

I find the 88% name-recognition figure rather suspect. But maybe it's true. I don't know. But I think NH is our ace in the hole. I spent a week in Iowa for the straw poll, and I saw so many dumbassed Iowans turn out for Mitt Romney that it made me want to scream.

Triangle Choke believes an online poll?

Let's look at the TV text and email polls that Ron Paul wins by landslides? In these CNBC and FOX polls --you could only vote once by cell phone text or email. Ron Paul has won these nationwide polls by landslides!

Why do you believe and spread any of these polls of questionable origin?

Iowa is the only state Ron Paul has near 100% name recognition? Why? And why are you trying to draw out all the negative implications possible? I could think you were trying to convince Ron Paul supporters that they should expect defeat.

The campaign needs to run EFFECTIVE TV ads -- and then have a vote counter watcher at every Iowa Caucus to make sure they don't cheat Ron Paul in 2008 like the Iowa GOP cheated Buchanan in 1996 (google A House without Doors).

Don't give credence to these polls of questionable origin. Just pressure the campaign to run EFFECTIVE ads, and then help WATCH the vote count.on election night in Iowa and NH.

White Lightnin' Straight Up

Iowa is the Welare Queen of the Union, and The Good Doctor appears on the scene with a crowbar in hand, threatening to pry the lips of Agri-Biz off the Federal Tit. At this point anything more than a token Iowa presence is tactically foolish. (Sorry, Hawkeye Patriots. Soldier on!) I hope we concentrate on New Hampshire, Wyoming, and Nevada for now, and recognize that we'll likely need the full year to turn Iowa.

Viva Agora!
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Iowa's all about corn... and ethanol

Or so's most of them are pretty certain (ones I know anyway). Big bucks have been flowing in, and a lot of folks there are pretty heavily "invested" in the ethanol boomlet, some financially, others just emotionally.

Same thing is true in lots of other Midwest and prairie states (seems like nothing but corn fields around here, where there used to be soybeans and assorted other crops just a few years back).

Ron's not likely to take the "ethanol subsidy pledge" -- even though *IF* it actually IS economically viable, it should do well under his admin. At the same time that they'll claim it's viable economically, Iowans also seem to think and suspect that w/o the subsidies the whole industry would fail.

Think it's called Cognitive Dissonance, but there you have it, and a lot of folks make their decisions based on it. (When you believe your livelihood is at stake, well, it affects your own life, your families lives, your kid's education, and well, virtually everything -- so little else matters.)

rasmussen source

It's interesting to note that the poor polling of ron paul is shown above the polling at a later date of Alabama, New Jersey, Maryland, New Hampshire, Florida where Ron Paul is shown as only having 3%. It's particuarly interesting because everything I've been reading indicates that he's around 6-7% right now in NH, and not at all at 3%

What does that have to do with Iowa?

Hemp is cheap to grow and would be cheap to sell, and therefore wouldn't be great for farmer profits in Iowa. The Federal government pours hundreds of millions of dollars in to the Iowa economy (compliments of the American taxpayer) in the form of Ethanol and corn subsidies. Paul is the lone candidate who has the courage to go in to Iowa and denounce these subsidies (which are nothing but wealth transfers from all of us to the people of Iowa). A state so dependent on the largess of the Federal Government was never a good prospect for a Paul upset. I wouldn't worry about it. All our eggs should be in the NH basket. That's where we sink or swim.

Hemp ...

... could be the rescue for so many people.
Thanks to DuPont & other petro/chem/pharma golems
we have a war against a "plant" going on since decades.
Holy smokes - it's just not all about pot.

HEMP

I think as soon as the word spreads that he supports raising hemp as a crop (not marijuana!!!) people there will seriously think about the guy.

Hemp is CHEAP to grow, cheap to harvest, and as a weed grows practically anywhere. Many scientists agree that hemp ethanol could be 400% stronger than sugar ethanol and 500% stronger than corn ethanol.

Replace the oil fields with hemp fields, and then we can REALLY get out of the middle east!

hemp

one can also get more fiber from an acre of hemp than you can get from an acre of trees. Trees take about 20 to 30 years to grow. Hemp can be harvested yearly or even more often then that.
I see the logging trucks in my area and many of them have trees on them that are about 5 inches in diameter. What a waste of fuel etc.
Hemp played a huge role in early industrial advancements.

Go Ron Paul!

none are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

Jefferson used it for a herbicide

In the days before "RoundUp." Ironically, RoundUp is now used in the futule attempt to eradicate cannabis. But we all know politicians never make mistakes, so the Creator of All Things must have screwed-up by creating cannabis.

The irony (beyond the pollen-irony, I mean) is that "capitalist, conservative" corn-farmers collect welfare (but boy, do they hate when we call it ethanol-welfare) while "socialist, lefty" hemp-capitalism hippies end up advocating freedom and no-welfare because they just want to be left-the-hell-alone. Much like gun-owners wanting to be left the hell alone. This could explain our giant, diverse "leave me alone" coalition's growing grassroots power, if the news media bothered to look.
JMR

Agreed, free markets are the answer.

But hemp isn't the answer if you're a pork-fed ethanol-socialist, and many folks in Iowa are, even if that's not how they describe themselves. The true irony, of course, is that industrial hemp's pollen would be a nightmare for recreational weed cultivators, but humanity is so-damn-citified they don't even know how plants reproduce anymore...
JMR

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It's possible! Let's make it happen!

logic or reference

how can one ethanol be stronger than another and what are you referencing? this kind of "word-of-mouth" logic leads to people repeating the same crap they see about Ron Paul in the popular media. I'm all for ending the drug war, but try not to sound so stoned when making an argument :)

Most of the Middle East is covered with poppys--in fact nearly all of the disputed territory between Syria and Israel is poppy fields with land mines.

Agricultural subsidies

Antboy is exactly right. Farmers will ignore Ron Paul's message even if it would help the country.

What we need to do is get in touch with the Iowa meet-up group. Help them come up with ideas about how to spread the word. Give them suggestions on how to counter someone who might be opposed to his anti-govt subsidies. Help them understand the free-market idea.

Any Iowa people on this board?

Any people from neighboring States?

what the farmer fails to

what the farmer fails to understand is that he is paying for the subsidies himself in elevated food / grain prices. pathetic.

the people in iowa need to be told that hemp makes more / better ethanol than corn.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, 1791

Who were they polling

The people that voted in the previous 2 republican caucuses that GWB won handily ? Note how unfavorable McCain is among this group.

IF that group is the only ones that show up at the caucuses, RP will be lucky to finish 5th.

Agricultural subsidies

Paul has been forthright in opposing the massive subsidies and price supports for agricultural corporations, and has challenged the ethanol scam. Like a true free marketer, he wants to abolish the Departments of Agriculture and Commerce. He has been getting the lowest level of support in the farm belt, and this may be the reason. Obviously, he is not going to support corporate welfare to improve his chances in Iowa. Abolitionists probably didn't poll well in slave states, either.

Of course, individual Iowans include some of the very best people supporting Paul. But the overall total will lag until the case for free markets is made more forcefully in the farm belt.

No income tax

Of course, for some millionaire farmers getting lavish gov. subsidies, the income tax is the least of their concerns. But, for the average farmer, no income tax and fewer business taxes would make up for the lack of subsidies-- because small town farmers don't get those subsidies anyway.

Do you really think that's the reason? If so, it's attributable to an uninformed populace.

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