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Global warming may 'stop', scientists predict

This is too funny.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=6424

Global warming may 'stop', scientists predict

Published on Wednesday, April 30, 2008.

Source: UK Telegraph

Global warming will stop until at least 2015 because of natural variations in the climate, scientists have said.

Researchers studying long-term changes in sea temperatures said they now expect a "lull" for up to a decade while natural variations in climate cancel out the increases caused by man-made greenhouse gas emissions.

The average temperature of the sea around Europe and North America is expected to cool slightly over the decade while the tropical Pacific remains unchanged.

This would mean that the 0.3°C global average temperature rise which has been predicted for the next decade by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change may not happen, according to the paper published in the scientific journal Nature.

However, the effect of rising fossil fuel emissions will mean that warming will accelerate again after 2015 when natural trends in the oceans veer back towards warming, according to the computer model.

Noel Keenlyside of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences, Kiel, Germany, said: "The IPCC would predict a 0.3°C warming over the next decade. Our prediction is that there will be no warming until 2015 but it will pick up after that."

He stressed that the results were just the initial findings from a new computer model of how the oceans behave over decades and it would be wholly misleading to infer that global warming, in the sense of the enhanced greenhouse effect from increased carbon emissions, had gone away.
The IPCC currently does not include in its models actual records of such events as the strength of the Gulf Stream and the El Nino cyclical warming event in the Pacific, which are known to have been behind the warmest year ever recorded in 1998.

Today's paper in Nature tries to simulate the variability of these events and longer cycles, such as the giant ocean "conveyor belt" known as the meridional overturning circulation (MOC), which brings warm water north into the North East Atlantic.

This has a 70 to 80-year cycle and when the circulation is strong, it creates warmer temperatures in Europe. When it is weak, as it will be over the next decade, temperatures fall. Scientists think that variations of this kind could partly explain the cooling of global average temperatures between the 1940s and 1970s after which temperatures rose again.

Global warming forecast predicts rise in 2014
Writing in Nature, the scientists said: "Our results suggest that global surface temperature may not increase over the next decade, as natural climate variations in the North Atlantic and tropical Pacific temporarily offset the projected anthropogenic [manmade] warming."

The study shows a more pronounced weakening effect than the Met Office's Hadley Centre, which last year predicted that global warming would slow until 2009 and pick up after that, with half the years after 2009 being warmer than the warmest year on record, 1998.

Commenting on the new study, Richard Wood of the Hadley Centre said the model suggested the weakening of the MOC would have a cooling effect around the North Atlantic.

"Such a cooling could temporarily offset the longer-term warming trend from increasing levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

"That emphasises once again the need to consider climate variability and climate change together when making predictions over timescales of decades."

But he said the use of just sea surface temperatures might not accurately reflect the state of the MOC, which was several miles deep and dependent on factors besides temperatures, such as salt content, which were included in the Met Office Hadley Centre model.

If the model could accurately forecast other variables besides temperature, such as rainfall, it would be increasingly useful, but climate predictions for a decade ahead would always be to some extent uncertain, he added.



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Maybe that is what all those

Maybe that is what all those chem trails were about.

When they can predict

When they can predict tomorrow's weather with certainty, I'll start believing in their THEORIES on global warming.

One of the interesting aspects of this study was that

these scientists built their program with data from 1950's and 1960's and then addednothing else. IThe program then did a very good job of predicting the weather of th 1990's over Europe and N.A.

Please don't confuse the daily weather with climate.

h-daddy

I can see the headline next year..

1.3 Trillion dollar tax approved for Global Warming...~erm.. scratch scratch scratch~ Global Cooling.

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

There IS NO OIL SHORTAGE. Peak Oil is a Scam!

There IS NO OIL SHORTAGE. Peak Oil is a Scam!

Lindsey Williams was there thirty years ago when a pool of oil was
discovered in the United States that would have made this country energy independent for TWO HUNDRED YEARS. But it was capped and classified, kept secret by the government and the elite in order to manipulate the price of oil and the economy of the world for their own agenda.

The Energy Non-Crisis by Lindsey Williams
http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis.html

Video of Lindsay talking to a group of people about this very issue
Part 1 of 8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk

According to Williams, the American dollar is also being manipulated and set to crash, not by chance, but by design plan.

Don't miss this explosive episode.

Out There TV
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Episode #298

On Las Vegas One Thursday, May 1, 2008 10:00 p.m. (Cox Cable 19)
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I don't think "peak oil" is a useful concept nor

do I think it is a valid concept. BUT this Williams guy is full of nonsense. He has been spewing this line for decades and makes a decent living off of it. Very little truth in what he says.

h-daddy

I wish they'd just release a statement that says...

We don't have an f'n clue what's happening with global weather.

This is a very complicated subject, and no one can profess to understand it very well. There are so many interactions competing to change the climate of the planet, it's impossible to model.

I think they're probably on to something with trying to input a computer model to global climate, but they're nowhere close.

Personally, I think the increased CO2 in the atmosphere has to do simply with the plant/animal balance on our planet. There's anecdotal evidence that after the bubonic plague struck Europe hard, there was a significant cooling caused by 1) less people breathing 2) more plants growing.

But...any thought on this subject is simply conjecture.

I love that global warming has become a debate...it will increase interest and overall understanding of how dynamic our planet is. I take offense, however, to people advocating we take dramatic action with an incomplete understanding of what's happening.

Amen To That

Even though you have been "outed" as a disinformer, haha, I agree with that statement completely.

You Know - In The 70's We Were Afraid of Global Cooling

Of course that was later "debunked". http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/environment/2008-02-20-...

As far as I am concerned, I believe very little that comes out of that idiot-box, the TV. It's the opiate of the masses.

In fact, people need to stop looking to television for their news and just seek entertainment from it, which is the purpose for which I view TV.

actually it's just taking a break...

which is mandatory under the labor contract that Global Warming signed last year with BS INC. every 10 years it gets a 7 year break, but has to clock out if it leaves the premises. true story

No matter who you vote for, the government always gets in - Bill Hicks

actually it's just taking a break...

which is mandatory under the labor contract that Global Warming signed last year with BS INC. every 10 years it gets a 7 year break, but has to clock out if it leaves the premises. true story

No matter who you vote for, the government always gets in - Bill Hicks

actually, this makes sense

Fortune Favors the Bold

if the global waming models are accurate, the result will be significant global cooling in northern and southern areas, with increased temps closer to the earth's equator. This is because global warming would result in ice sheets melting at the polls. This would cool the warming currents. The especially troubling one would be the stream that warms europe. If that stops, europe will be in a deep freeze.

Fortune Favors the Bold

The premise of...

the movie The Day After Tomorrow, if I remember right... ;)

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

All it would probably take

All it would probably take is a reasonably large volcano eruption to send enough dust particles into the atmosphere in order to significantly impact global temperatures for at least a few years. Sooner or later it will happen again and things will cool off a bit. Something like Mt. Saint Helens...

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This is a shame

I make my income off of plant growth. How do you make plants grow faster / better (in general). More heat, more CO2.

I was really counting on Algore's stab-in-the-dark guess (check the 'sum of squares error' in ANY global temperature model) to be right. I'm gonna write Gore and tell him he owes me some money for promising better ag conditions and not delivering. Then I'll shoot some hairspray cans to maybe get it kick-started again.

"Global warming" doesn't exist

It's a con. Our planet's temperature fluctuates and now we're in for a cooling phase.

I am

beginning to despise anything with the word "global" attached. I can't stand the constant bombardment with propaganda. "Global community" being one of my most hated. I mean a global community can only be formed by a collection of sovereign states agreeing to call it a global community, but it would have to include total individual sovereignty and state sovereignty. I really don't even like the idea of any global entity as one step always leads to another. This amount of power cannot be wielded safely by any one government, ours cannot even handle it and we have the greatest founding documents ever written. Their silly and childish Utopian ideas would lead to total enslavement under some form of control and endless backlash until each person's humanity would have to be completely suppressed similar to Orwell's 1984. Nature seeks diversity, That's a law that can't be broken. A world government would be the ultimate sin against nature and at some future time would lead to the destruction of all humanity. Our minds did not grow so that we could devolve back into pack animals. I'm all for the greater good, but I will not enslave future generations in the process.

"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com

Global Warming Hoax

I recently saw a movie on how sun's rays effect earth's climate with cooler and hotter cycles depending upon solar activity on sun.

It also documented that when CO2 went up the earth became cooler, not warmer.

The movie was entitled "The Great Global Warming Swindle."

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I love the idea of demanding a debate

but why should our handlers accept the will of the people.
They have stifled debate on several subjects, even declaring some to be taboo.

I want a debate over whether vaccinations are needed at all, especially since they are the root cause of the increase in autism, add, and adhd. 1 in 160 kids are getting f-ed up

I demand a debate between Christian scientists who believe in Creation, whose research destroys the myth, theory of evolution...
and lastly,

I want scholarly debate on the holyc0$t and its cult of holohauxiantiy, where the culters of the holohaux can no longer imprison those that differ on opinion or have facts that deny many of the so called truths about this shoah. Truth doesnt need laws, only lies to keep a scam going. Isaw both trials where ernst zundel destroyed this myth in a court of law in canada both in 1985 and 1988. Maybe that is why thopse that HATE the truth still have him locked up in the gulag archipelago of thought in germany.

We are allowing too many topics to go uncontested/non debated by the globalist toadies.

If you have a differing of opinion, you not only dont get the chance to present your side of the issue, you are called all kinds of names, your character disparaged, and for some imprisonment.

Since we have allowed the zionazis of the world to put people in jail for not going along with the shoah haux, as finklestein puts it, then i can see the day where folks are imprisoned for not believing in the myth of global bologna.
mk

What?

You want debate but then go on to list a variety if things that are barely debatable but with which you don't agree. A bunch of nonsense!

h-daddy

Dude go back to sleep

All of these are debatable. The problem is, is that they have all been given the same treatment in the controlled press owned again by whom?. You know little to nothing on the subjects i want to discuss in the open, & put up on you tube for all to see. Truth only needs exposure. All three topics revolve around the same theme. What the globalists want, the globalists get, and no other voices are heard. Global Warming is part and parcel to create the new age religion of mother GAIA earth worshiping. And all those that refuse will eventually get renewed ala Logans Run.

You ignorance shows how much of the public school indoctrination you have received, where your mind shuts down at the first uncomfortable topic you read. You sound like you would have made a good flat earther in the time of Copernicus.

I could continue to list things that should be debated, that have become untouchable in our minds, but the few things i mentioned already has you FEELING instead of having the ability to think critically, and responding to such.

When you want to play in the adult sandbox, come on back, but for now just go away, until you bring something to the table,..
\mk

Your spew about globalists is just that.

You rant about vaccinations, etc. without any substantiation. Site some real EVIDENCE for any of the things you feel are "debatable". And don't just give me websites!

h-daddy

Heres some homework for you sheople

Goto google, and input vaccinations + autism and see the millions of hits it comes up with.

What is causing rates of autism to go as low as they are today 1 in every 160 kids.

subscribe to Idaho observer
http://proliberty.com/observer/
or its sister publication
Vaccination Liberation - vaclib.org
http://www.vaclib.org/ and get informed. Because you keep posting, you continue to show everyone else around you how much of an idiot you are.

My D.O. (Dr of osteopath) has 9 kids, not one of them ever vaccinated. ALL OF THEM ARE COMPLETELY healthy and normal, brilliant at that. Every friend i sent to Dr EvK have all had normal healthy kids. Some of my friends that didnt listen to me, and got their kids vaccinated, now have fucked up kids. If you really love your kids, can you really play roulette with their health. Get informed, and not just parrot what youve been programmed with.

So from my research, to my observation of FACTS, i can conclude that vaccinations do Harm, and NO good.

The sources that you have listened to all of your life are at most misinformed, or down right out right lies. Maybe because you have at least woken up partially because you are at least aware of Dr Paul, that there is hope that you might fully awaken, but your ignorance SCREAMs out.

And this is just Vaccinations. Now topics like Creation vs Evilution you have brilliant Scientists that are also Creationists like Jonathan Gray of http://www.beforeus.com
or Dr Carl Baugh www.creationevidence.org/
and Steve Grohman www.creationseminar.net/ , who have the facts, and the science behind them as to what actually happened vs what the globalist schools preach as though it were fact, the illusion of evolution that falls apart at any point you look at. But with the state approved evilution... you find out that there is no god, hence therefore you have no god given rights... only state permissions and licenses.

Example... I ask evilutionists.. how did things grow Big?? What caused it, and can it be replicated... Not a one has ever had an explanation as to why things grew big.... But on the creationists side, not only can they explain it, BUT THEY CAN REPRODUCE GIGANTISM... Isnt that what science is about... being able to reproduce a scientific hypothesis, over and over again. If you are really curious, look up Dr Mori and his gigantic cherry tomato tree.

Holocaustianity, Peak Oil scam, 911 was done by the neocon insiders, We NEVER went to the moon, etc... I could go on and on, but for now it is a waste of time with you. You cant even get over the fact that vaccinations do more harm then good. I would even put forth the idea that our medical death cartel knowingly puts the viruses in the vaccines that later give us the cancer. I know in your little mind, you cant even fathom that, but look yup for yourself SV-40 which causes brain cancer, and was the 40th known monkey virus to break thru the blood brain barrier, when they infected us with the polio vaccinations.

The criminals in government ARE NOT OUR FRIENDs. They are there to protect the monopolistic trade cartels that run this world. The sooner you realize this, then the sooner we can get back to taking our country back. Most of what you have learned, has to be UNLEARNED

Wow. You need to read real books written by people who

present evidence to back up their conclusions. This is called objective research. Go to the library and read. Dr. Paul understrands science. He would disagree with every statement you made.

h-daddy

H-Daddy

After reading several of your comments on a variety of threads, you have no want to actually debate. Thread after thread, post after post, you present yourself as a troll. I would ask if you are a neocon troll in wannabe Ron Paul clothing.

You mind is already full, and cant absorb any more.

The links i gave you are a good step to introducing you to the truth, but you already know sooooooo much, that any more time is a waste for you. But I posted them for others who read, and whose minds arent closed.

Wish you luck in this life, because you are so far behind the 8 ball, that the only thing that will grab your attention, is when you are lined up at a camp, with your hand out for some food.
mk

You can't defend your ideas so

you try to divert. The websites you mention are full of opinion and conjecture...not evidence. My mind is not closed. Far from it. I am a born skeptic which is why I am skeptical of your claims and those of others who can produce no sound evidence nor have any logic to their reasoning.

Just so you know, I have supported the Good Dr. since the 1980's and voted for him in 1988. I've been around and I know BS when I see it. I get none from Dr. Paul but DP is full of it.

When you call me a troll you go against one of Dr. Paul's basic libertarian tenets; free speech.

h-daddy

H-daddy

So is global climate change effected my man or is it due to Solar cycles in your opinion?

We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?

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Both.

The evidence for solar cycles, including the variations in the output of the sun and the orbital variations of the earth's orbit is solid. The cycles are known and theyare long.

As for human influence on the climate I think the evidence is less solid and that shouldn't surprise anyone because the effect for the moment is fairly small. To me the amazing thing is that we even know that something may be happening. Our scientific institutions have done a good job with this and the research study noted in the article is just the sort of work that we should pay attention to. The bottom line is that I think humans are changing Earth's climate, the rate is questionable as are the effects, and I agree with folks like Bjorn Lomborg that there is no need to panic... just yet. I am a firm believer in free markets and feel that right now the free markets (such as they are) are actually on the road to solving the "global warming" problem.

h-daddy

Well

To go into the question about big stuff... it is a rather silly and useless question to ask.
Firstly, did "things" grow big? what grew big? It would have to be small at one point and bigger at another, or vice versa. You can't say why is a whale big and this mouse is just tiny, it has to be relative to its own. Otherwise you might as well ask why things grew small.
Secondly, if a species did show significant changes in size over time, what could this ever have to do with evolution?
Now for the tomato magic. Let's get the source of this claim first, don't worry, I found it already:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1310/is_1987_March/ai...
And from this we get:
"The growth of the plant was accelerated in a nutritive solution which replaced soil and in an artificially controlled environment. As a result the plant produced more than 13,000 tomatoes during the six months of the Expo."
This is a well known experiment simply based on giving it more. I can't put it any other way as saying, this plant is living on pure "testosterone", it isn't even really planted.
I really don't know how you see the ability to "inject" nutrients into a plant to prove anything against evolution.
Moreover:
" Daiei, Japan's biggest supermarketchain, has installed a factory farm next to its store in the Tokyo suburb of Fanabashi. ......
In this futuristic factory, the sun isreplaced by artificial twenty-four-hour lighting, soil with nutritive solution and farmers with a micro-computer.
And:
"One of the star attractions at Expo '85 wasa gigantic tomato plant, above, which produced over 13,000 tomatoes during the 6 months of the exhibition. Fed by a special nutritive solution, the plant grew in a controlled environment, with optimum lighting and temperature."
So, 24 hour artificial optimum light combined with optimal temperature on top of it all. Not only makes this it even more obvious of the high growth, it makes it yet more unlikely (impossible) to this ever happening in nature and also makes this even less proof of anything, apart from that if you give plants an extreme of what they need to grow, they grow extreme, an idea that could've been thought up by a toddler.
To end it all in a positive thought (creationists accusing each other of bad science and ability):
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/whatbau.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/degrees.html

uh.. you need to read up on pre-flood conditions

twice the atmospheric pressure. Twice the amount of O2 and Carbon dioxide. The planet was covered ina firmament that kept the temperature around the whole world around 70-80 degrees. The proof is found in the evidence left behind.

every specie that is around today, can be found in the fossel records, just in every case, is a much larger size. and no... missing links, or one specie changing into another HAS NEVER BEEN FOUND.

The one piece of evidence that keeps kicking the evilutionists in the ass, is all of the pre-flood human footprints that are found in the same strata, as the dinosaurs. So a big chunk of their BS theory is destroyed. Man and dino lived together.
mk