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The Constitution: should taxation be voluntary?
Submitted by atrickpay on Mon, 05/12/2008 - 11:10
How do people who advocate liberty reconcile that with the Constitution granting the government the power of compulsory taxation? Would you favor a Constitutional amendment to make all taxation voluntary? » |
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Taxation destroys liberty
It's one or the other - can't have both.
As for me, I'll take liberty.
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"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
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Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas
"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."
Where did Greg GO!!!!!!!!!
Still waiting!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tell It to the Judge
The Constitution as originally written prohibitted any direct tax on the American people. I agree with that position. Unfortunately, the 16th Amendment changed all that.
So don't tell me that taxes are voluntary, or that the 16th Amendment wasn't properly ratified. Tell the judge, before he sends you to a term in Leavenworth. I hate the income tax, but it is the law, and we have to follow it until we can get in changed.
If you want to become a martyr, stop paying your taxes. I would rather work to educate the American people.
Greg I hate to bust your bubble but!
Greg I hate to bust your bubble but!
On May 12th, 2008 Freedom says:
Greg says "Unfortunately, the 16th Amendment changed all that."
No Greg I'm not going to tell you the 16th Amendment was't propertly ratified but I believe that is true. The 16th Amendment says income but it does not say what kind of income. You see the word income is the tool that is used to measure the amount of tax that is due from the source or subject that is being taxed. The word income is not a tax within itself.
NOW FOR THE BUBBLE BUSTER!!!
Greg have you ever heard of the Supreme Court? Here is what it had to say about the 16th amendment.
"The Sixteenth Amendment... does not extend the taxing power to new or excepted subjects....."
Peck & Co. v. Lowe, 247 U.S. 165, at 172 (1918)
So the taxing power of Congress did not change with the 16th Amendment period.
Now let me ask you a question?
You said "Unfortunately, the 16th Amendment changed all that"
Can you show me a Supreme Court ruling that say the 16th Amendment changed Article I Section 9 of the Constitution???
Amendment?
That's not the question I was posing Greg. I was wondering how compulsory taxation (indirect and direct) squares up with liberty.
Do you favor an amendment to make the State a voluntarily funded entity?
Greg I hate to bust your bubble but!
Greg says "Unfortunately, the 16th Amendment changed all that."
No Greg I'm not going to tell you the 16th Amendment was't propertly ratified but I believe that is true. The 16th Amendment says income but it does not say what kind of income. You see the word income is the tool that is used to measure the amount of tax that is due from the source or subject that is being taxed. The word income is not a tax within itself.
NOW FOR THE BUBBLE BUSTER!!!
Greg have you ever heard of the Supreme Court? Here is what it had to say about the 16th amendment.
"The Sixteenth Amendment... does not extend the taxing power to new or excepted subjects....."
Peck & Co. v. Lowe, 247 U.S. 165, at 172 (1918)
So the taxing power of Congress did not change with the 16th Amendment period.
Now let me ask you a question?
You said "Unfortunately, the 16th Amendment changed all that"
Can you show me a Supreme Court ruling that say the 16th Amendment changed Article I Section 9 of the Constitution???
Where are you Greg???
NO ANSWER FOR ME????
Yep.
When will the sheeple wake up?
It does not give that power?
Can you not read? What good is amendment if you can not follow the Constitution to start with! Look at Article I section 9 "NO CAPITATION TAX" That is a tax directly on someone. Capitation tax means head or poll tax on someone. No the problem is the people do not know the law there for the government does as it pleases!
Correct, the 16th Amendment
Correct, the 16th Amendment is in opposition to the founding document, which in my opinion is a larger issue that whether or not it was "legally ratified".
As an example, would you consider a new constitutional amendment banning semi-automatic firearms to be constitutionally valid? Even if ratified legally?
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Indirect taxes
What about indirect taxes? I woudn't want the gov't to have the power to steal, albeit in a indirect manner, either.