Is Bobb Barr the anointed one to wreck The Ron Paul movement?

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Actually that almost has to be what they are trying to do

Otherwise, they wouldn't pay SillyBee and others to sit in here 24/7 on his behalf.

You don't see that kind of activity about Baldwin. A little sincere stuff here and there, but not like the Barr Campaign.

whatever, he cannot wreck

whatever, he cannot wreck it.

its about educating the people, he cannot stop that.

no one can stop it now. Not even ron paul.

Whether or not Barr was

Whether or not Barr was specifically chosen to wreck the movement, he could end up doing it anyway.

He has already split the Libertarian movement. He could split the Ron Paul Revolution, too.

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How could he split

the Ron Paul Revolution?

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Dr. Paul says Barr is an ally (http://www.newsweek.com/id/139448/page/1)
and would do "a very good job" as president (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5YaqKf-yTg).
Watch for Barr on the Colbert Report Jun 4, and on the Glenn Beck Program Jun 5.

Wouldn't you like to know

SillyBee.

OMG.... still laughing.

"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN

www.reverbnation.com/docholladaymusic

Truth is treason in an empire of lies.

" I DON'T CARE IF RON PAUL IS SINCERE OR NOT"

For anyone wondering about the mindset of our good buddy "BillyDee", the above is a direct quote (see exchange below).

Oh, and here's another BillyDee profundity: "Trust is Irrelevant". Again, a direct quote.

Here's one more:

"Only when someone has a realistic chance at becoming president does it matter if they're sincere or not."

Wow.... kinda makes you wonder about someone, especially when all they do is spam for Barr and websites like 'Paulites against truthers"
"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN

www.reverbnation.com/docholladaymusic

Truth is treason in an empire of lies.

Doc, billydee is none other

Doc, billydee is none other then onevoiceofreason aka JLH.. he's a dork in here trying to cause trouble.. don't get upset over this idiot! I have already caught him!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)

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Two weeks ago I would have dismissed this out of hand. I figured it was just the Libertarian party shooting itself in the foot again.

But in the past two weeks I have seen more MSM mentions of the "L" word than in the last five years. In fact I am holding in my hand exhibit "A", a clipping from a mainstream paper (maybe the WSJ - not sure cuz my Dad sent it to me). The little item is called "Notable & Quotable". It consists of two paragraphs of none other than St. Ronald Reagan himself saying "I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism."

There appears to me to be a serious MSM boost of the Libertarian Party going on.

However, I don't think the idea is to derail the Ron Paul R3volution. I think the idea is to draw off the traditional conservatives from the Republican party so Obama wins.

I disagree...

I don't see it as possible that McCain would EVER win... Period... The purpose of the attention given to the (other) "L" word is positively to divide, and weaken the Ron Paul movement... And I will say that, as usual, their tactics are proving VERY effective...

How?

How could it divide and weaken the "Ron Paul movement?" Could you explain?

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Dr. Paul says Barr is an ally (http://www.newsweek.com/id/139448/page/1)
and would do "a very good job" as president (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5YaqKf-yTg).
Watch for Barr on the Colbert Report Jun 4, and on the Glenn Beck Program Jun 5.

That would be good for

the Paul movement, and liberty movement in general - in the longer term - in my opinion. The Republican party needs to find out that they better become more libertarian-minded or they're going to lose elections.

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Dr. Paul says Barr is an ally (http://www.newsweek.com/id/139448/page/1)
and would do "a very good job" as president (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5YaqKf-yTg).
Watch for Barr on the Colbert Report Jun 4, and on the Glenn Beck Program Jun 5.

Why I voted for Barr at the LP Convention

I did not vote for Barr on every one of the six ballots. I can't recall exactly, but I know I didn't vote for him on the first couple of ballots. I did vote for him on the last one.

I'm a maxed-out Ron Paul supporter. I'm certainly not plotting to stall the Ron Paul revolution. My state's primary was in February, but I've kept my RP yard sign up until now, anyway (changing it every 30 days to avoid breaking my city's sign ordinance). I was a precinct captain, too.

Going into the LP convention I had no idea who our nominee was likely to be. We have many hard-working campaigners and almost a dozen to choose from. I attended their debates the day before the vote.

My main concern was to make sure we elected someone we could be proud of as a defender of freedom, and someone that Ron Paul, himself, would prefer to vote for (whether or not he makes a public endorsement). Most of our candidates fit that description.

The LP targeted Barr when he was a Republican, and helped get him out of office because of his stance on the drug war (jailing addicts). Since then, he joined our party. His nominating speech was given by Rob Kampia of the Marijuanna Policy Project. Barr has been lobbying Congress for them.

If you think the folks on this forum get heated about issues, you have a taste of libertarians on issues. You can bet that he is cornered everywhere he goes and quized on his stances and his "conversion." The LP is called "The Party of Principle" for a reason, and we don't let people get away with inconsistency.

Barr spoke to my delegation and described being challenged on his past positions by delegates representing various pro-freedom interests from the Outright Libertarians (gay/lesbian, etc.) to the medical (and recreational) marijuanna users. He was challenged on the Patriot Act, the Defense of Marriage Act (which returns such matters to states), and others.

I found him to be credible when he said he had come to see the principle of freedom as it applies to all these issues. I believe that when a person begins to see how freedom is the answer, and how one must apply it equally to economic and personal issues, they will become more consistently libertarian. Barr appeared to me to be on this educational path with many of us in the revolution; learning and growing.

I don't agree with him (or RP, for that matter) 100% on everything, but I'm happy with Barr as a choice on the ballot far more than the non-Paul alternatives.

PLOTS and STRATEGY

I also felt that the big advantage to Barr is that his nomination 3 months prior to the GOP national convention sends a very strong message to the GOP to get their act together and start making concessions to the Ron Paul Republicans, or else lose their support to the LP. As a former Republican, Barr serves as an example to the GOP that they can and will lose support if they don't return to their roots in small government.

If we had nominated Mike Gravel, for example, it would not have helped Ron Paul at all. The GOP would have no reason to fear our small percentages if we were taking Gravel's support away from the Democrats. Our other candidates are not well known to the public and would surely have gotten much less press coverage.

When I see comments against Barr for his past positions or claiming he's a plant, I immediately suspect that this is an attempt to derail the freedom movement by sowing dissention in the ranks of the revolutionaries.

The powers that be are not worried that Ron Paul will get the nomination, they are fighting for their cushy jobs and government favors. They don't want the freedom movement to succeed, and so they try to divide us.

When Ron Paul and Bob Barr both appear on the ballot together in November, we will have to choose between them. Wouldn't that be lovely?

Until then, I'm just glad I don't have to vote for McCain, Obama or Clinton.

I'm pulling for those of you in the GOP, especially delegates, to do your best to promote Ron Paul to the GOP, but I'm satisfied that at least one promoter of freedom will be on the ballot after September.

IMissLiberty

IMissLiberty

There are times when I am certain that BillyDee is onevoice...

and others when I think he is a well-meaning RP guy trying to lead in a new direction. Like peeling the RP bumper sticker off the Granny Warrior bus because it appears stalled and slapping it on the bumper of another bus heading in what appears to be the same direction. He argues that RP isnt a cult, that we need to make our own minds up. That is over simplifying. This election is about choosing a leader. I really think we need to solve this and damned fast. BillyDee is almost saying "hell...you dont even need to LIKE Bob Barr-even Barr knows he wont win- just VOTE for him and be heard as not wanting the other choices." I personally cannot bring myself to doing that. I do not want Barr as president so will not play the "protest " game in his name. My understanding is that in my state I can write in Ron Paul.If I find out that is not true- I will still go to the poll and write in Ron Paul. Because my hand needs to move in that direction. Ron Paul wants to be my president, Ron Paul is qualified to be my president, Ron Paul is running for president, my vote- counted or not- is for Ron Paul. I will go through the motions- however wasted, to vote my conscience- until Ron Paul "leads" me in a different direction. If Ron Paul endorses another candidate- he wont be taking that lightly and in all likelihood I will vote for THAT candidate after I do the research. There will likely be a day soon when RP adresses his supporters and gives us updated Constitution- based marching orders,until then in my mind the original orders stand- Vote Ron Paul.

Dr. Paul does not want to lead you

or give you "marching orders."

NEWSWEEK: "After the convention, will you endorse a candidate?"

RON PAUL: "I'm not going to tell [my supporters] what to do. The support was really organized outside the campaign, so it'd be kind of odd to say, "Well, now that you've all come together, I'm going to tell you what you ought to do." They'll figure out what to do."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/139448/page/1

Dr. Paul has said many times "Thanks for inviting me to the Revolution." He is not the leader of the Revolution and he knows it. The Revolution asked him to join what was already brewing. The Revolution has no leaders, not does it desire any. The Revolution is self-directed and self-organized by each individual acting his own self interest to liberate himself from the State.

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Dr. Paul says Barr is an ally (http://www.newsweek.com/id/139448/page/1)
and would do "a very good job" as president (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5YaqKf-yTg).
Watch for Barr on the Colbert Report Jun 4, and on the Glenn Beck Program Jun 5.

So why do you?

The revolution has no leader. But the campaign DOES. The two work together, are in harmony but are different. The Revolution was started to last forever- the campaign was intended to last an election cycle. Dr Paul implied that he'd sooner endorse Baldwin for personal reasons. Some have argued that he is not as well known as Barr- trust me- if Ron Paul made a statement of endorsement- he would surpass Barr that day- and accomplish what it is that you are trying to accomplish- would you then switch over to Baldwin? He'd have the numbers youre looking for.

If Baldwin was polling

higher than Barr, I'd switch to Baldwin right now. I'm just looking at what's going to be the most efficient route at getting the message of liberty into the debates. Since Barr is polling around 5-6% already, it's simply less work and money than trying for Baldwin. (15% is the requirement to get in the debates).

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Dr. Paul says Barr is an ally (http://www.newsweek.com/id/139448/page/1)
and would do "a very good job" as president (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5YaqKf-yTg).
Watch for Barr on the Colbert Report Jun 4, and on the Glenn Beck Program Jun 5.

Passive...

But I feel you... Well said... Vote Ron Paul 2008...

NO to Bob Barr

I don't know if this is true, but I'm certain it won't work. Ron Paul supporters are in the *business* of spreading information, it's in our nature. There is really no way to stop it.

But I definitely don't trust Bob Barr. How can you trust someone who has changed his rhetoric so many times over? There is no way I vote for him.

Trust is irrelevant.

The objective is just to get someone to SPEAK libertarian/constitutionalist rhetoric in the debates. It doesn't matter if Barr is sincere or not, because he's not going to become president. It's just about getting a VOICE for freedom in the debates, instead of just McCain and Obama up there. It's not even necessary to vote for him to get in the debates. It's just a matter of getting his polling numbers up to 15%, because that's the minimum to be included in the debates.

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Dr. Paul says Barr is an ally (http://www.newsweek.com/id/139448/page/1)
and would do "a very good job" as president (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5YaqKf-yTg).
Watch for Barr on the Colbert Report Jun 4, and on the Glenn Beck Program Jun 5.

"The objective is just to

"The objective is just to get someone to SPEAK libertarian/constitutionalist rhetoric in the debates. It doesn't matter if Barr is sincere or not"

I'm almost at a loss for words......this statement just shows once and for all how full of shit you are. One thing I KNOW Ron Paul would never do, it to employ this kind of 'the end justifies the means" retoric bullshit. The Revolution is nothing without it's INTEGRITY, which is something you obviously know nothing about. So I guess it doesn't matter if Ron Paul is sincere or not, too? Movements like the Revolution flourish and are maintened by the fact that right is right, and that integrity is not a negotiable issue.

As if it wasn't already obvious, you've really outed yourself this time BillyDee. Go back under your bridge and re-read your neocon textbook. You're not doing a very good job of derailing the movement.

"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN

www.reverbnation.com/docholladaymusic

Truth is treason in an empire of lies.

I don't care whether Paul is sincere not.

That doesn't matter, because all that matters at this point is getting the message of freedom out - in order to change minds so that a liberty-minded president can actually win several years from now. I believe he is sincere, just like I believe Barr is sincere, but it doesn't matter. Only when someone has a realistic chance at becoming president does it matter if they're sincere or not.

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Dr. Paul says Barr is an ally (http://www.newsweek.com/id/139448/page/1)
and would do "a very good job" as president (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5YaqKf-yTg).
Watch for Barr on the Colbert Report Jun 4, and on the Glenn Beck Program Jun 5.

Yeah, it'd be GREAT to have

Yeah, it'd be GREAT to have someone spreading the message of freedom who's later revealed to be "insincere". That's just what we need..... you are completely insane.

"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN

www.reverbnation.com/docholladaymusic

Truth is treason in an empire of lies.

OK, OK you win

Because of your profound words of wisdom we are all converted. From now on think of us a Barr-stoolies; we will lay down our banner for the true Revolution that will re-instate our Constitution, repeal the patriot act, do away with phony wars, abolish the IRS and the feds and all the rest of that unimportant stuff. Instead we will pick up the banner to "to spread the message of freedom" for the next 4 years. Let us continue that war in Iraq, what the hell about the deaths and the maimed children from depleated uranium and the debt that will bankrupt us. The Constitution is just a damn piece of paper, let what is the rest of it get shredded as well. But hey, we have that clause in the Patriot act that will sometime maybe give some of our freedoms back. NAFTA, well we are just being good neighbors so why let a little thing like our national sovereignty get in the way. The deaths of the brave original Revolution did not mean much anyway; our country was never meant to be a shining example to the rest of the world in shackles. So, now that you and the rest of the stoolies have convinced us to join your ranks, could you please get busy and make up some money bombs, banners, slim jims, and books. If you need models to follow feel free to copy everything Ron Paul, as I am sure he won't mind since he and his campaign are washed up anyway.

Keep digging the hole

Keep digging the hole bud.....

"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN

www.reverbnation.com/docholladaymusic

Truth is treason in an empire of lies.

Hey Little Buddy, No More Computer For You Tonight...

Your mom just called... She said you have to do all of your homework if you want to stay up late and watch Colbert...

THIS IS RELEVANT....

excerpt from article:

Barr's entry is no accident and serves multiple purposes. According to journalist James P. Tucker, Jr., for instance, attendees at an April 25-28 meeting of the Trilateral Commission in Washington , D.C. , made a determination to stop Republican candidate Dr. Ron Paul's momentum in stirring up a political “revolution.” (James P. Tucker, Jr., “Trilateral Commission: Global Elite Gather in D.C.,” Global Research, May 6, 2008)

Dr. Paul, who has been delivering the news that the Federal Reserve by which the bankers rule should be abolished, and that U.S. foreign policy based on military conquest of the world should end, has been causing, according to the Trilateralists cited by Tucker, “significant future damage.” Bob Barr will doubtless be awarded handsomely for his trouble in helping de-fuse Dr. Paul's movement.

Dr. Paul is to be commended for his stance in taking on the establishment, and from the financiers' point of view, such populist uprisings as he is leading obviously must be checked. Using a Libertarian candidate to do this costs them nothing, as it is almost comical how the “macho” but outdated laissez-faire economics of the Libertarians play into the hands of the privately-owned banking system which makes all the important economic decisions anyway.

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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

It's a clear lie

First of all, listen to the Alex Jones interview with that Tucker joker. He admits that that was not part of the Trilateral Commission meeting. He claims that he simply overheard some people talking. He's just a liar. Then the writer of the article makes a leap to Bob Barr.

Secondly, if Barr is saying the same things as Paul, how does it de-fuse Paul's movement? Here is Barr: "BARR: If I could wave a magic wand and the Federal Reserve Bank would disappear tomorrow, I would do so. It’s a group of unelected governors that are not answerable to or accountable to the people of this country and yet they wield considerable influence over the economy by basically setting rates at which banks and other financial institutions can loan money. And they have built up, you know, huge reserves themselves that they can then dole out as they’re doing — as they did recently with Bear Stearns to prop up as failing, what they see as failing investment houses, for example.

What we’re on the verge of right now, Glenn, through this federal government monkeying around with the mortgage business, both directly and indirectly, is to have the federal government now set a “One size fits all” mortgage criteria for the country. That would be disastrous. It would stifle risk-taking, it would stifle the independence of small mortgage houses and mortgage banks and would simply create further problems down the road. What we need to be doing is tackling government spending. That is the root of all evil, so to speak. We need to get a handle on federal spending, we need to start reducing the economic footprint and, you know, all the other footprints of the federal government if we want to talk about them, and get the federal government out of running our economy. It was never intended to be the job of the federal government to run the economy."

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And this came out today:
ibertarian Candidate Challenges Obama, McCain to Weekly Debates
By Susan Jones
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
June 04, 2008
(CNSNews.com) - Don't count me out, the Libertarian candidate for president is telling Sens. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.).
"In congratulatory letters I am sending, I challenge Senators Obama and McCain to meet me in weekly debates in cities across America with just the candidates and a moderator to keep order," former U.S. Rep. Bob Barr said in a news release on Wednesday.
"Let us argue the issues, after which the American people can make their decision on Election Day. Surely the citizens of the greatest nation on earth deserve no less."
Barr says he and the Libertarian Party offer "a very different alternative to the American people."
He called Obama "the Democrats' most eloquent proponent of liberalism," and he said McCain "well represents a Republican Party that has become an advocate of slightly smaller big government at home and aggressive war-making abroad."
"I, and the Libertarian Party, offer a very different alternative to the American people: limited, constitutional government dedicated to protecting individual liberty."
Barr said he looks forward to a "vigorous" presidential -- "and meeting my fellow candidates to debate the many important issues facing our nation."

If he's going to say the same general things as Dr. Paul, if he gets int he debate, how could he possibly hurt Paul's message?

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Dr. Paul says Barr is an ally (http://www.newsweek.com/id/139448/page/1)
and would do "a very good job" as president (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5YaqKf-yTg).
Watch for Barr on the Colbert Report Jun 4, and on the Glenn Beck Program Jun 5.

Tinfoil hat material

That Tucker guy is a liar about the Trilateral Commission wanting to derail Dr. Paul. If you listen to the Alex Jones interview with him, when Jones pushed him on it he admitted that it wasn't part of the meeting but alleges that he simply overheard some people talking that were at the meeting.

(Go ahead and say it now. I'm being paid by the elites to say this, right? Take off the tin foil hat).

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Dr. Paul says Barr is an ally (http://www.newsweek.com/id/139448/page/1)
and would do "a very good job" as president (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5YaqKf-yTg).
Watch for Barr on the Colbert Report Jun 4, and on the Glenn Beck Program Jun 5.

The Trilateral Commission

The Trilateral Commission doesn't exist. There is no globalist agenda. Ron Paul lied when he said there were those that believed in globalism. It's all just tinfoil crack pipes.