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If Ron Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination-and will not run third party, I hope he will endorse Baldwin. I'm still holding out hope that the RNC will come to their senses.( I'm not holding my breath, however).
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Well,,,,,, here's mine. Ideally, the movers and shakers in this movement that have connections and know how should get their ducks in a row and promote the delegates to bolt in Minnesota and form a rump party ( is rump party the correct term?) , in the same fashion as the Dixiecrats did in '48. Think, Bull Moose Party. ( Roosevelt drew more popular vote than the Republican Taft, if I remember correctly. Of course we ended up with Wilson and Colonel House,, so this is a going for broke kinda deal.) A deal needs to be laid out to put Dr. Paul at the top of the ticket and Chuck Baldwin as VP and those two need to promise Barr a cabinet post. Wheelin' and dealin' behind the scenes is how US political stuff has been working since it all started.( Remember the election of 1800?) It ain't right, but it's a dirty game. The 'bolt' itself should get media attention and the alliance of these three candidates should help get media attention, and Baldwin would tear up anyone, that either of the two major parties put up, in a vice-presidential debate. Keeping in mind that you can't have a perfect world, it may be that the only way to bust up the present duopoly is for The Ron Paul purists, the Constitution Party, and the Libertarians to do a little forgive and forget compromising on some of their differences and coalesce. For what it's worth, that's my two cents worth. And that's about all it's probably worth.
Good Luck to all and we'll see you at the convention.
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Agreed
Keeping in mind that you can't have a perfect world, it may be that the only way to bust up the present duopoly is for The Ron Paul purists, the Constitution Party, and the Libertarians to do a little forgive and forget compromising on some of their differences and coalesce. For what it's worth, that's my two cents worth. And that's about all it's probably worth
Ron Paul united a very diverse coalition of people. To continue to promote the ideas he represents, one of our greatest challenges will be to preserve this coalition, and not re-splinter into ineffective blocks.
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Sounds clever actually. Do
Sounds clever actually. Do we have enough people who think "outside the box" for something like that?
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about thinkin' outside the box?
It pains me to say, "Probably not".
This chaotic thread
This chaotic thread convinces me--even though I support Baldwin and I'm..well, lukewarm to Barr, I suppose...that no one in this movement is going to be happy unless the Third Party candidate in November is RON PAUL.
We're six months out...I know Dr. Paul does not want to run Third Party, but why can't we try to persuade him otherwise? And to the "risk of his congressional seat" issue, why can't he run for Congress on the same party?
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Kevin
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there may be more unity come closer to november. I tend to think, as far as the POTUS goes, that we should be unified in our vote to maximize impact, but of course, there's no real way to do that, except perhaps for spontaneous consensus as the facts come to light.
Also, for all of you who want to write in Ron Paul, why don't you start an Official Write In Campaign? You need to do this, or your vote will be meaningless. Remember, it's electors to the college you are technically voting for. Without an Official write in campaign, there are no electors for the write in candidate, hence wasted vote.
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I think it is silly to think Chuck Baldwin has any chance.
I think it is silly to think Chuck Baldwin has any chance. He has some pretty extreme religious thinking. I don't think that mixes so well with the president role in this day and age. Ron Paul is religious. But because Ron Paul does not offend other religions, and mostly keeps his own religion out of politics, this is only a good thing.
Btw, I am not saying Baldwin is a bad guy! But just stop talking about Baldwin (certainly in this way) while Dr. Paul is still growing big in this race will you all?!
Are you kidding me? Look
Are you kidding me? Look what all of us did to ger Ron Paul on Fox and CNN. We could all do the same for Chuck and atleast get him alittle face time. If we all join together we can be heard.
I'm a fan!
I don't care for Chuck Baldwin's, of Ron Paul's for that matter, strong anti-abortion stance, but I'm willing to let it go for their strong anti-neoconservative and America remaining a sovereign nation stances. I've been following Baldwin for years and while I don't agree with eveything on his platform, I am seriously considering voting for him instead of writing in Ron Paul. That is, only if Paul doesn't get the republican nomination!
The only hope IMHO
Is a Ventura /Paul ticket or vise versa... I don't care as long as we get SOMEONE that speaks truthfully in the WH.
JV was on Alex Jones show again today,and considering a run for the Senate.He has until July to make a decision.
I would suggest that those "in the know" , call AJ's show tomorrow and ask him to be a catalyst to bring the two together.
Not that it would stop another false flag terror attack, Iran bombing,and Martial Law declaration....
They will start rounding up the dissidents first (that's us BTW)
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I don't understand. If Ron
I don't understand.
If Ron Paul was going to run Third Party, which he has repeatedly stated he will not, why would he run as someone elses' Vice President..?
Wouldn't you prefer to see him at the top of the ticket?
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Kevin
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due to sore loser laws, Paul would be kept off the ballot in many states. This doesn't apply if he was the VP for another candidate.
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Only reason I dont want
Only reason I dont want Ventura is because he stated he was bought out to keep silent for 3 years. Don't remember which video but if he can be bought out why vote for him no matter how cool what he says sounds? Why wouldn't he be doing this again just for another pay day and drop out?
The only votes Barr is gonna take is from Ron Paul. People will think he's the closest thing to RP and he'll steal a few vote from him. What's his agenda? He has no shot so why get in the race?
So the majority of the troops are voting for RP and have given him more money then all other candidates combined. Are you gonna vote for RP? No? So you're saying you don't support our troops? Why can't we get someone to spin shit our way? Never surrender!!!!!!
I remember this video too.
I remember this video too. He was talking with some neocon interviewers on Fox. He told them he had a contract for couple of years on a televisionchannel with a show, and he was so provocative according to that channel, they decided to pay him during his contract period, but would not allow him to make the show.
Outside his control
I recall him pointing that out. He signed to do a show for 3 years, and once he signed, THEY chose not to run his show.
He found this out in due course. This is outside of his control.
He was contractually oblidged to only work for them for that period.
What he said/meant was, they bought his silence. He didn't they wouldn't run it. He noted he was smarter for it. He wasn't happy.
true,........
but he said as president he couldn't lie to massive amounts of people or let them down. I like his stance against the neocons though. makes good points and not only that, the guy was in the military, so he can pull that out in front of McCain and slap him upside the head with it!
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he said he is considering running for senate rather then president. That bought out thing is definetly an important question.
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Barr's trying to hijack the
Barr's trying to hijack the Libertarian party with his friend Richard Viguerie in order to make it safe for the neocons. If no Ron Paul in November, I'd go with Chuck, as I imagine most supporters would, along with RP himself.
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DC you are full of crap
his campaign manager is Perots campaign manager and Barr did not join the Libertarian Party this year he joined in 06 and Barr was the guy that made the official declaration for Ron Paul to be the Libertarian nominee if he did not win the Republican primaries
Either You Know Nothing About Barr
or you're hoping we don't. Why do you persist in this?
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DC I have tangled with you before
all I can say is I looked back at your posts and you in the past were making negative posts on Dr Paul. The only reason you are against Barr is he actually has a chance to knock out McCain and stop him from becoming President and teaching the GOP a lesson
I have followed Barr for awhile and see no problem with him. he Is a million times better than McCain or Obams
You're Lying
Negative posts? What in blue blazes are you up to? Yeesh.
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Do you have proof
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that Barr is tied to Viguerie? What motive would Viguerie have in doing this?
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Circumstantial Evidence From One of the LP's Founding Fathers.
Here's a link, and I think he's right. In any event, Barr's got no business in the Libertarian Party.
http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/eg/nolan-vig.html
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The problem with Chuck Baldwin
The problem with Chuck Baldwin is that he is an unkown and will not get traction. As a result he will never get mainstream and disgruntled Republicans to vote for him. And before you accuse me of hating Chuck I don't as a matter of fact I believe I was the first one to ever post anything about Chuck Baldwin on the Dailypaul.
Does it matter?
The lesser of two evils voting is becoming antiquated as people realize ther IS no lesser of two evils! A vote for someone you think would make a good president is not a wasted vote, even if he can't get disgruntled republicans to vote for him, and even if he has no chance of becoming president.
Okay, but who will get
Okay, but who will get traction? It won't be Bob Barr. It won't be Mike Gravel. And it won't be Dr. Paul because he won't be on a ticket in the Fall.
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K Tuma. you have to look at history
To gain traction you have to look at history. In the last 100 years two third party candidates have gained traction. Ross Perot with United We Stand America and Teddy Roosevelt with the Bull Moose Party and to some extent Lindberg with the America First Party. Not really any polling with Roosevelt, but he did well and almost pulled it off. However, Perot started out at 5 % and by Sept he was at 7%, by Oct 12% and on election day hit 20% and thats after he quit. Bob Barr is already at 6% or 7% depending on which poll you look at. Millions of people are looking for an alternative to McCain and Obama so he could easily catch fire.
Strom Thurmond did pretty darn well as a Dixiecrat
Actually, he is the only third party candidate in the last 100 years to win any states outright and win their electoral votes(if I recall correctly). He won 4 states (South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana) and won their 39 electoral votes in 1948 as a third-party candidate for the States' Rights Democratic party, nicknamed the Dixiecrats. The party formed when Democratic delegates bolted the convention when it became clear Truman was no friend of the States' Rights platform, and convened their own convention, nominating Thurmond.
A dream of mine is that Republican delegates in St. Paul will do something similar. I'd love to see the RP supporters walk out en masse as McCain is nominated, and go across the street, hold their own convention, and nominate Dr. Paul as the "Old Right Republican" nominee.
Also, John Anderson, a liberal republican who lost the primary to Reagan in 1980 ran as an independent and got 7% of the vote, about 6 million votes.
Other notable third party candidates with strong showings, but no "wins", were George Wallace with 12% in 1968, Theodore Roosevelt's 27% in 1912, Robert LaFollete's 17% in 1924, and Ross Perot's 18% and 8% in 1992 and 1996.
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