A Heads up to all the Gold and Silver Bugs.

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The dollar is tanking as of today.
Interest rates can't feasibly be lowered any more without severe inflationary consequences.
Japan has stopped buying the dollar, leaving little to prop it up.
The EU is talking about RAISING interest rates to stave off inflation.
Metals are on the move from a lasting low.

Combine the above with the stochastics indicators for metals crossing the bottom line in the past few days.

If not immediately (like in a few days), but in the next few months, metals will likely hit new highs once again and further test even newer highs.

Anytime this indicator has crossed the bottom, the metal has immediately, or shortly thereafter, gone into a rally. This has always happened within a few days to a few months of this crossing.

Well, It has crossed again right in the midst of a low. I'm not speaking of a quick buck here. It may drop just a hair before a possible rally. It has in the past, gone just shy of straight up from this mark, and it has on occasion, dropped faintly first, but the rally always followed. I am speaking of roughly 1 to 5 months of a very likely potential run in the metals. Given the U.S and world economic situations, in combination with this indicator, I believe the potential for a rapid acceleration in the price of metals exists.

Now, let's top that off with some cherries and cream, which you can see in the video from Gavination's article here today on DP.

www.dailypaul.com/node/49838

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1-800-949-4653 Ext. 2330 If you need someone to guide you, he is not a pushy idiot, as so many are. I like him, and that speaks volumes in itself.
Not a friend of mine, I just happened onto him and he is one the most level headed brokers I have ever dealt with.

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U.S. Begins Rationing Popular 'Silver Eagles'

U.S. Begins Rationing Popular 'Silver Eagles'; How $1 Fetches $19

By Ianthe Jeanne Dugan
The Wall Street Journal
Friday, May 23, 2008

The government rationed food during World War II and gasoline in the
1970s. Now it's imposing quotas on another precious commodity: 2008
dollar coins known as silver eagles.

The coins, each containing about an ounce of silver, have become so
popular among investors seeking alternatives to stocks and real estate
that the U.S. Mint can't make them fast enough. In March the mint stopped
taking orders for the bullion coins. Late last month it began limiting
how many coins its 13 authorized buyers worldwide are allowed to
purchase.

"This came out of nowhere," says Mark Oliari, owner of Coins 'N Things
Inc. in Bridgewater, Mass., one of the biggest buyers of silver eagles.
With customers demanding twice as many as they did last year, Mr.
Oliari would like to buy 500,000 a week. But the mint will sell him only
around 100,000.

The coins have a face value of $1. But the mint sells them for the
going price of silver, plus a small premium, to a handful of wholesalers,
brokerage companies, precious-metals firms, coin dealers, and banks. The
dealers mark the coins up a bit more and sell them to the public.
Currently, the coins are fetching about $19 apiece, with some sellers
seeking more than $20.

For Coins 'N Things alone, the shortage is costing hundreds of
thousands of dollars in lost sales of silver eagles. The firm sells about $1
billion worth of precious metal every year, including silver, gold, and
platinum coins. Mr. Oliari, a 50-year-old numismatist who has been in
the business since 1973, sniffs: "You can't print what I want to say
about the mint."

The mint, a bureau of the U.S. Treasury, has offered little explanation
beyond a memo last month to its dealers. "The unprecedented demand for
American Eagle Silver Bullion Coins necessitates our allocating these
coins on a weekly basis until we are able to meet demand," the mint
wrote. A spokesman declined to elaborate.

... 'Poor Man's Gold'

The rare shortage offers a glimpse into the growing love of a commodity
known as "poor man's gold." With more silver mined than gold
traditionally, silver has always been far cheaper than gold and today has less
than 2% of gold's value.

But silver is growing in popularity, and some investors are betting
that its value will surge as inventory shrinks. Big investors are loading
up on silver eagles, which are the only American silver coins allowed
in individual retirement plans. For small investors, they are an
accessible way to get into the metal boom.

"Unlike gold, these coins can be bought by regular citizens," says J.R.
Roland, a Brownsville, Tenn., judge who recently began buying the
coins -- and trading them on eBay. "In these economic hard times, silver
coins are a great way to invest."

In March, sales of silver eagles surged more than ninefold from the
previous month, to 1.85 million. This year, the mint has sold 6.8 million,
representing more than twice last year's pace. Still, numismatists are
clamoring for millions more as the price of silver soars. It has more
than doubled in the past three years and now trades at around $17 a
troy ounce, which is slightly heavier than a traditional ounce.

Linda Wood, a 57-year-old Pittsburgh accountant, scours eBay, coin
shops, and flea markets in search of silver eagles. One by one, she has
accumulated about 300 in the past few months and stores them in a bank
safe-deposit box.

Traditional coin collectors may be impressed with the government's
written description of silver eagles as "one of the most beautiful coins
ever minted." But Ms. Wood isn't in it for aesthetics. She became a
silver bug after she and her husband saw the value of their individual
retirement accounts decline by $2,500 -- a "significant" chunk. "I just need
bullion," she says. "I wouldn't care if the coins were ugly."

Amid the mint caps, shady silver-eagle hawkers are thriving. Some coins
are priced at $25 and higher. Mr. Roland says that he had to wait a
month after ordering some on eBay recently, because the sellers didn't
even have the goods. "I can't wait long, because you never know what's
going to happen with the price," he says.

In Manitowoc, Wis., Dan Zirk, owner of Manitowoc Card & Coin, has sold
twice as many silver eagles as he did last year. So he has stashed away
his remaining handful of 2008 coins, betting the price will rise. "I
want $22 apiece," says Mr. Zirk. He says customers, meanwhile, are
asking for earlier years and other forms of silver.

... Lady Liberty

The government began producing silver eagles in 1986, basing its design
on Adolph Weinman's 1916 "Walking Liberty" half dollar. The front
features a flag-draped Lady Liberty striding toward the sunrise, carrying
branches of laurel and oak symbolizing civil and military glory. On the
reverse, a design by John Mercanti features an eagle with a shield,
olive branch, and talon and arrows.

The coins are made at an armored facility in West Point, N.Y.,
alongside the military academy. Dealers say they heard the mint had run out of
planchets -- round metal disks ready to be struck into coins. The disks
are used for various coins, and the companies producing the blanks
also are busy, limiting the mint's ability to increase production. The
mint won't comment on the planchets.

... Coins Divvied Up

Each Monday morning now, the mint divides its silver coins into two
pools. It divvies up the first equally among authorized purchasers. The
second is allocated proportionately, based on the buyer's past purchases.
The mint limited purchases once before -- in the late 1990s, when
investors loaded up on silver, wrongly anticipating that a failure by the
world's computers to adjust to the new millennium would cripple the
economy.

Jim Hausman, head of the Gold Center in Springfield, Ill., one of eight
companies in the U.S. authorized to buy silver eagles, estimates that
the rationing will cut his expected annual sales of four million silver
eagles in half.

And the result, he says, is almost un-American.

Increasingly, investors are taking a shine to alternatives. The Royal
Canadian Mint saw its sales of silver Canadian maple-leaf bullion coins
rise 40% last year, to 3.5 million, according to a spokesman.

Some investors expect the craze to end badly. They draw comparisons to
what happened to silver in the 1970s. A rich Texas family poured
billions of dollars into silver, and prices surged above $50 an ounce in
1980, only to plunge again after government intervention.

"It's akin to what happened when the Hunt brothers tried to corner the
silver market," says Wendell Curry, who owns McAllen Gold & Silver
Exchange in McAllen, Texas. "The silver hawks are now trying to corner
silver American eagles. And it's making it harder for mom and pop to buy
these for their grandchildren."

Went to a coin show today.

Some of the old guys were selling the old silver certificates. Made me sad.

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Lisa C.

http://www.women4ronpaul.com/

Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!

WILL THE FED GIVE US INTEREST FREE MONEY?

Well, that would be GREAT! I'm surprised so many people believe that the Fed will voluntarily give up their usury business.

"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson

government of the people, by the people, for the people
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Silver is getting harder and

Silver is getting harder and harder to find. Today, May 22nd, I had to go to 3 coins shops just to purchase 10 silver rounds. My preferred shop was out, so I went to another coin shop and purchased his last 7 coins then found 3 more at another shop.

Trade with all nations; alliances with none. ~Thomas Jefferson

“Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value - zero”. Voltaire-1729
www.4HUTS.com

Have you tried eBAY?

"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson

government of the people, by the people, for the people
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There are still a few more

There are still a few more coin shops in town. I prefer to purchase locally if at all possible.

Trade with all nations; alliances with none. ~Thomas Jefferson

“Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value - zero”. Voltaire-1729
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Then there is this

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_9314986

The article talks about how mining companies are going to go bankrupt if they don't see $1500.00 gold soon. My question is, what is the price of gold going to go to if there are no more producers?

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"the only thing that keeps the banking system from failing is general ignorance about how the banking system works."
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ya E_ I read that!

ya E_ I read that! interesting isn't it! and if gold miners need 1500.00 gold what do silver miners need? all costs are going up thanks to the wonderful federal reserve bank! 1000 dollar silver baby!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)

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sure,

until the credit card companies collapse.

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"the only thing that keeps the banking system from failing is general ignorance about how the banking system works."
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I would like to do something....

....but don't have a lot of money to do it with...I'm working 2 jobs, 7 days...and barely scaping by. I just looked at the "Silver Snowball" site that was posted below, but it is $36 per month to be a "member". Sorry, but I just can't swing it. Where can I purchase coins or bars? I would prefer to do it at a local venue...so that if it's full of lead, I can break someone's leg. I cannot afford to join some club. I'm just trying to do the best I can to hang on. Any suggestions?
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BC

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BC
Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

Buying one junk dime a week is more than most people will do.

If that's all you can afford, don't sweat it. You can only do what you can.

You might want to check with some of your older relatives. They might have a stash. There used to be these blue hardcover books that people collected old dimes in and then forget about them.

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Lisa C.

http://www.women4ronpaul.com/

Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!

I have a connection at an auction/flee market.

I try to by one or two ounces of silver each week. It adds up. I get Silver Dollars for around $18 and Ounce rounds for around $20. he gives it to for about $2 over spot.. the going rate you see on the ticker. Sterling Silver is .925 and could be useful for melt. If you find some at a garage sale and they do not know it is silver... SCORE!!! Don't buy it if it does not say STERLING

peace
Anthony
You could join the CDR... It's FREE!!!

www.TheCDR.us

Does my burka make my butt look fatwa?

BC, with the amount of

BC,
with the amount of money you can invest, I would go to your local coin shop... buy pre 1964 silver 90% dimes! this way there is no shipping charges.. that will let you purchase a few more dimes for you then buying from some out of state company! those pre 64 dimes are the most important thing you can buy... just start collecting them... before you know it you will have a bunch!

“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)

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here...

www.bulliondirect.com

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

coin shop!

Open you yellow pages or get a recommendation from a local RP supporter. Pay cash - no sales tax and no ID required. You can buy 90% silver 1964 or before US coins in 'any' amount.
http://www.coinflation.com/coins/silver_calc.php?picture=193...

We have to pay 6% sales tax

We have to pay 6% sales tax in Ohio. But other than that, you're right. Coin shop is the way to go. Cash, No Id.

Stick to small bars. 1 to 5 oz. Too small to tamper with.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
-- Jean Luc Picard

Things are only impossible until they are not.
-- Jean Luc Picard

NOW, THIS IS SCARY!!!

"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson

government of the people, by the people, for the people
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I think more people are likely to get sucked in.

If you can find, take a look at a silver price chart for the 1920's and the 30's.

I only have a printed copy that I purchased about 10 years ago, but I don't have a link.

"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson

government of the people, by the people, for the people
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I have a question for you

I have a question for you greed... what the national debt in the 1920's? what was the personal debt level in the 20"s what was the debt level of business? how much more would a dollar buy in 1920? was the dollar backed by gold? was silver used as a metal to produce goods, thousands of goods like today?? in the 20's the US government had billions of ounces of silver in surplus.. how many ounces do they have today? answer these questions and if you still don't go and buy all the silver you can your nuts!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)

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Please, read this.

Is the level of debt that we have deflationary or inflationary?

I, personally, worry about a liquidity dry up situation and think that the level of debt would likely cause catastrophic deflation once the borrowers start to default on their debt.

On the other hand, those who worry about hyper-inflation often think that the level of debt that we have is too high, so we would print our way out, thus, inflation or hyper-inflation.

I think this is true only if borrowers could print money. Heck, if I could print money, I would get out of debt tomorrow morning! But, in our case, I don't think any of us borrowers can print money, not me, not you, not the U.S. government. Instead, the lenders, the Federal Reserve, control the money supply as far as I can see. So, at this moment, it might appear that the international bankers would work with us and help us with our debt. It might look like they would forgive our debt by devaluing the U.S. dollar, but in the end, I don't think they would forgive our debt.

But, as far as I can see, this system is designed in a way that it is impossible to pay back all of our debt using the U.S. dollars, therefore, in the end, I think they will come take the collateral. When this happens, if people don't have enough U.S. dollars to service their debt, they could possibly lose their houses, cars, gold, silver, guns, etc. This is why I think it is so important to have enough U.S. dollars. Yes, I agree that we have inflation today and I agree that it might accelerate, but I think it would be too late to prepare for a liquidity dry up situation once the lenders decide to pull the trigger.

So, I don't know when or if they would pull the trigger, but I'm very concerned because they can, and I believe it is a good idea to hedge against this risk.

What do you think?

"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson

government of the people, by the people, for the people
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"Is the level of debt that

"Is the level of debt that we have deflationary or inflationary?"

Debt artificially adds to our money supply, so I would say it is inflationary.

"I don't think any of us borrowers can print money, not me, not you, not the U.S. government."

We can't, but the U.S. government can. I don't believe it's likely that we will be able to ever dig ourselves out of the financial hole that our government got us into (9.5 trillion, not counting all state and local government debts) without inflating the currency and devaluing the debt.

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What? The U.S. governement can? Please, check again.

"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson

government of the people, by the people, for the people
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Biflation

One important element to note is that prices for goods and assets won't keep the same proportion they have today. You can see it in oil and housing prices, but elsewhere as well.

Biflation is the state of an economy where the processes of inflation and deflation occur simultaneously. During this period there is a rise in the purchasing prices of commodity items and a fall in the purchasing prices of non-commodity items.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biflation

... an excellent debate here:

http://www.safehaven.com/article-9083.htm

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2007/12/not-your-...

Here is my question.

Peter Schiff wrote, "In particular, the Fed's ability to pump liquidity into the market in the 1930's was limited by the gold backing requirements on U.S. currency. No such limitations exist today."

Will the FED give us interest free money? Will they abandon their usury business? If not, isn't that a limitation?

"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson

government of the people, by the people, for the people
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The money isn't given, it's created

I think we can agree that the money doesn't exist in the first place, so it's not "given" (lent) to consumers by the banks, it's created out of thin air through the fractional reserve lending system.

As a bank, how much would you lend to consumers at 7% if you could borrow this money for 2% from the Federal Reserve, and then sell back the debt obligations in exchange for treasuries? You get 5% guaranteed.

http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/schiff/2008/031...

I think the core of the deflationist argument isn't that banks won't lend, but that consumers won't want to borrow, and that credit and credit derivatives will implode.

Very Scary Chart.

I first printed out the 600 year silver chart in 2003. I would think this is a very scary chart for silver longs. Have you thought about a potential of a double bottom formation in this very long term chart? As far as I can see, the chart shows that the silver price has been in a very long term down trend. As far as I can see, this very long term down trend has not been reversed, yet. I think it is possible that the chart would form a very long term double bottom. If so, it would be very hard to pin point in which year the first peak of the double bottom would happen and in which year the second bottom of the double bottom would happen even if we assumed that the first bottom of the double bottom has already happened.

In other word, I think that a very long term head fake is a real concern in this very long term silver chart. This is, yet, another reason why I'm very concerned about the buy silver and be happy type attitude.

Also, it seems that more and more losers who bought tech stocks and houses near the top are waking up to gold and silver. I wonder if they really know what they are doing.

In any case, I DON'T KNOW what will happen to the price of gold or the price of silver, but at least, I know that I need U.S. dollars to pay my bills and taxes.

OH, BY THE WAY, the time scale of this 600 year silver chart is too long to see the silver price action during the 20's and the 30's.

"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson

government of the people, by the people, for the people
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Greed, after thinking about

Greed, after thinking about what you wrote above... if silver were to go down where do you think it would go?

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)

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lol you guys mental

lol you guys mental masturbate yourselves to much when it comes to this! GO READ TED BUTLER! TO HELL WITH THE CHARTS! as long as the fed is devaluing your currency it is the best place to be!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)

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THE KEY WORDS, "as long as the fed is devaluing your currency"

What would happen when the Fed stops devaluing?

"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson

government of the people, by the people, for the people
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