Obama could choose Ron Paul as his VP!!!
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Could a Barack Obama - Ron Paul ticket just be the magic bullet to get us out of this mess we are in and into a saner world? Before you brush me off as just another of those lunatics that can blog, hear me out:
First of all, let's face it - Americans are not exactly the most intelligent of people, when it comes to making poltical choices. By 'intelligence', I don't mean some silly math ability or some worthless IQ score - I'm talking about the basic ability to see things for what they are worth. Otherwise life around us would be different, we wouldn't be stuck in this quagmire called Iraq, we would have gone after the real terrorists behind 9/11, the world would be different, our TV shows would be different - you know what I'm talking about. If there had been a sufficient number of people who are capable of and willing to face reality and take action, Ron Paul should have been nominated as the presidential candidate of his party. He decided to run as a Republican candidate (so far), for historical reasons, or reasons of his own, even when it's clear that it's the policies of the present government and the previous Congress that got us into this mess. I have no idea how he was planning to appeal to the very same voters who voted a second term for George Bush and yet talking about a complete turnaround of policies. May be he was banking on the possibility (rightly so?) that a majority of those who voted for George Bush would have had a change of heart of some sorts? Again, I have no idea.
The US Constitution is one of the most well thought-out documents. It's even more amazing, considering that it has pretty much stood the test of time in terms of its logic and fairness, having been put together by real men of integrity and forethought, not to mention intelligence. So it's a reasonable approach to base one's political choices on the basis of this document. And that's what Ron Paul seems to do, by and large. However, by ignoring the ground reality - which has been created by people of a different mental make-up than those of the founding fathers - Ron Paul seems to put too much faith on the Constitution alone to get us out of the present mess. It just might, but his biggest challenge is to get the majority to see it that way. Because, it's not just the document you see - it also depends on your own understanding and interpretation of this document - which, in the ultimate analysis, comes from your own nature as a human being. So, there you have it - much as the US Constitution may be a superb document, almost like a divinely inspired thing, like most 'inspired' (or 'revealed'?) texts, it is subject to various interpretations, and yes, misue and abuse. What you get out of the Constitution is not dissimilar to what you get out of the Bible or any other religious text - ultimately it depends on the individual nature. If you don't agree, just look at what happened in America in the years that followed the adoption of this great Constitution - it took nearly 200 years to get to some sort of equality in practice, whereas even the Preamble talks about justice and domestic tranquility.
So, the Constitution may be a great piece of work, Ron Paul may be great guy - but there's something missing here: an appeal to those who feel they have been let down, or worse, victimized by the system that is supposedly based on this very document - and that is where Barack Obama comes in. At the time of writing this, John Edwards is out of the race (unless Obama picks him as his running mate). He is one guy who repeatedly talked about taking on the 'system' and doing something about changing it. But he couldn't even get his party nomination. Anyway, the fact is that America is made of all kinds of people - so it's always been a percentage game. But, remember our original objective? It was the search for "the magic bullet to get us out of this mess we are in and into a saner world". If you don't do that search, then as usual you end up making a compromise by voting for the lesser of the evils in your own opinion. OK, back to Obama: by and large, he seems to be a decent chap, well-meaning, articulate and all that. Is he ambitious? You bet he is - but Americans don't find ambition to be a bad thing, necessarily.
It's clear thar Barak Obama has maanged to mobilize all sorts of people, many of whom might not have taken an active interest in politics in earlier elections. It's also clear that there is a tinge of hope and expectation that goes along with this interest - the times as they are, and the way things are headed, I think there is a place for hope, along with clear-headed thinking. Really, in the present time, I don't see how we can sort through the mess with just one of these factors - namely hope or clear thinking. Barak Obama may have as good an understanding of the issues and as good a grasp on the fundamentals as Ron Paul has. If he does have them, he hasn't shown it as clearly - certainly not as well as he has projected his message of hope. However, being young and of mixed race, he has done well to not let the attention focus on his age or his race. That is a commendable thing in itself.
Ron Paul has done the same thing - motivate and mobilize all sorts of people - not so much with a message of hope, but with a clear articulation of the need to fix the fundamentals. Hope or no hope, there is no escaping from reality, and the sooner we face up to it, the better off we would be. If there were to be an honest and fairly-moderated debate, I can't see any of the other candidates from either party winning against Ron Paul's argument for fixing the fundamentals. There's just no way!
What Obama and Ron Paul have in common in this campaign is that they have managed to get a broad range of folks excited and motivated - as seen from their broad-based campaign fundraising. Both have also raised the largest amounts of funds from the US troops in their respective parties - now that should say something about how these guys are perceived by those who are doing the actual fighting (I was going to say 'doing the dirty work') and why any doubt on their suitability to be commander-in-chief is just plain ridiculous.
The way I see it, Barak Obama appeals to the heart, but not necessarily in a sentimental way. He is sort of an intellectual person himself. And, Ron Paul, on the other hand, appeals mostly to the head - no one understands and articulates the real issues, the real problems and the logical way to go about solving them better - in either party. But Ron Paul is not without feeling either - anyone who has followed his campaign and his utterances over the years would know that he does care for people - but his thinking seems so darned straight, that he doesn't do much verbal gimmicks. It's easy to see why he might scare some people off - especially those who have been let down or victimized by the system - he doesn't talk about their pain directly - instead he wants to fix the system that has hurt them. But not everyone is Ron Paul - people do need to be reassured that they are not going to be left to fend for themselves if Ron Paul does what he says - to get the government out of the way. For a whole generation, it might be hard to see what things might look like if the government does get out of the way. Will they be better off, or worse off? It's hard to imagine. It does take a giant leap of faith to imagine that a truly captialistic and a truly free market system would function differently, efficiently and beneficially. After all, however great the Constitution may be, what good is it if it's not going protect me from those who might want to grab what I have in the name of free market competition? When there is not a level playing field, it is hard to imagine that a truly capitalist system would somehow benefit those at the bottom of the scale. Here is one of Ron Paul's failings - while trying to appeal to the Republican voters, he hasn't shown enough material that would appeal to a typical Democratic voter, whereas the frontrunners in both parties have been pretty careful about what they say, so that once the nomination is over, they would have some appeal to those in the other party as well.
So, there you have it - one appealing primarily to the heart, but is somewhat of an intellectual himself. The other clearly appeals to all thinking and serious minds - but has enough compassion and decency at a personal level. One talks about brining people together - the other knows the games that are played only too well and wants to enforce the rules that are already in place. One talks of helping people and means it, while the other has the same idea, but talks differently about how he plans to do it. One is a bit careful not to offend too many people, while the other is not afraid to speak the truth. One has to admit and explain his experiments with drug use in his younger days, while the other says he wouldn't mind legalizing drugs - because he wants individuals to take responsibiity for their actions, though personally he wouldn't use drugs and would do his best to bring up his children the same way. One wants to work with the system, apparently, to bring about changes, while the other doesn't seem to mind shaking things up a bit. To truly bring about fundamental changes for the better, you are going to need both attributes - and hence my proposal for a Barak Obama - Ron Paul ticket!
It's quite likely that this idea won't fly. And, if I want to argue against this idea, may be I can find a few points myself. If Ron Paul has to work with someone from the Democratic party, why not go with Dennis Kucinich? After all, they are both friends at a personal level. But that is too much of a risk - because the media has been extremely unfair to both Paul and Kucinich - it is just too damned unfair to sideline these guys. So a ticket with both of them on it as independents is probably not going to get much coverage either.
If you think all of this is nonsense, so be it. I came across something real scary - some people are proposing Condoleeza Rice to be John McCain's running mate. If that happens and if McCain wins, then God help America! If Barak Obama manages to win his party's nomination and if real politics prevents him to take someone like Ron Paul as his running mate, then the next best thing would be to invite him to be a part of his cabinet - may be as Secretary of State!




















Obama's pee-pee
I'm curious...my computer screen is really scratched up (courtesy of 3 yr. old niece & her metal barrette). Reading stuff is fine, but pics & vids aren't so good. This makes it really hard to see what is happening in this video. I hope this doesn't offend, but I would guess we're all adults here. Can someone watch & post if you can see what they're talking about or not? It's supposedly footage w/ Obama Hussein & the press.
http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/barack-oba...
Obama = O.ne B.ig A.ss M.istake A.merica
No. That is not going to
No. That is not going to happen. I trust Barack Obama as much as I trust Hilary Clinton and John McCain. I trust him to get out of the way and allow the people in control of this system to take charge. I have 100 per cent trust that Barack Obama will allow this machine to continue destroying America and the world.
I believe you 2 be correct...
Though if you stay on topic, and this crazy idea were true. Would RP allow the machine to continue as you represent?
What you believe to be true, is true to you... "until you change your mind"
This topic has been floated before...
and I'm sure it will be floated again, but really guys give it up. It won't happen, and it's retarded to even suggest it!
Could you ever see him partnering up with McCain? Nope. Huckabee? Nope. Hillary? Nope. Why then Obama? What's so special about him? Here's a shocking newsflash: NOTHING!
He's the same as the other three. None of them are interested in discussing the fundamental flaws in US Foreign and Domestic policy, nor are any of them interested in curbing the power of the executive branch. Why? I'll tell you why: None of these candidates dispute the right of the government to do what it has done! They are not incensed at the extreme abuses of executive, judicial, and legislative power that have occurred over the past decade, they are incensed at the end result of those abuses!
They all have the audacity to hope that we will all get caught up in their superficial arguments, and hollow promises based on their version of the 'American Dream' and just forget about the systematic erosion of our constitutionally guaranteed rights.
Its not that they're evil candidates; its just that they're shallow candidates: caught up in the tactics rather than the strategy of our situation.
So forget about Barack, not because of the 'CFR'/'Illuminati'/'boogie man' or any other conspiratorial BS that some people throw out there. Forget about him because he's missing the bigger picture.
Paul would never align himself with any one who did not stand for the following:
LIMITED GOVERNMENT
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
A NON BELLICOSE FOREIGN POLICY
So, because some random
So, because some random blogger said it, Obama is considering it? I highly doubt it. Remember, he's whole change and unity message is fake, so I wouldn't expect him to actually do it....
Speculation pointing out the obvious about how great Ron Paul is, doesn't mean Obama is smart enough to be considering it... in other words, there's no proof.
However, if it happened, I'd sadly suck it in and vote, but not for Obama, just for Ron Paul.
And your favourite Obama's idea is...?
Try answer it without the word "change" ;-)
sadly, because I like Ron
sadly, because I like Ron Paul so much, I'd probably vote for him and whoever else was on the ticket regardless of policy...
An honest Question...
Looking for an honest opinion. Today 5/24/08, who do you think holds the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania. Remember that horse thing, both sides thing, MSM and numbers thing? Spread the message, "Onward" >>>>>
What you believe to be true, is true to you... "until you change your mind"
Ron can win
I still believe Ron can win it all.
There could be amazing outpouring of support on the streets in St.Paul and inside the Convention and McCain is one scandal away from oblivion.............so I posted this article to make us discuss things....stir things up...so we can come up with some new ideas.
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What you believe to be true, is true to you... "until you change your mind"
if MSM picks this up...
those folks that attacked me for posting this should reconsider...
if MSM picks this up we the Ron Paul movement would get millions of dollars of free coverage and a lot of new supporters from the democratic side.
Jesse Ventura is a better choice I know but it will be Obama as president and having Ron as his VP or Secretary of State is a dream come true not only for USA but the whole planet.
lets post this on every pro Obama website!
this will get those folks exposed to the message of liberty that Ron is all about...remember that of all candidates only Ron Paul wants to shut down the military industrial complex and the FED...
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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul
POST THIS ON OBAMA FORUM SOMEWHERE! NO HERE!
DON'T FORGET the OBAMA-ALEX JONES TICKET!
"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson
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A better choice than Hillary as VP
I think Obama should read Ron Paul's book and at least concede that Ron Paul could help his campaign because of Ron Paul's superior policies.
http://www.meetup.com/RP2012GrandJunctionCO
terrific idea
could some folks send Obama the book?
perhaps send/give it to all Obama top people?
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Listening to Obama
may lead you to consider this but you have to look at his record AND his past AND his CFR/NWO affiliations AND who he keeps company with.
Strong communist ties and I am afraid he is all fluff and no substance...says what needs to be said to get elected...kinda what GW Bush did.
I don't trust him.
“The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.” Ron Paul - The Revolution
Interesting but I like Paul/Ventura
We need to work on Jesse.
Ron Paul is my President.
Thanks for your comment..
I think Ventura is a powerful voice, but I perceive a conflict? What do you think about this >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1wGwOFzNIo&feature=related
What you believe to be true, is true to you... "until you change your mind"
Ventura...
Paul/Ventura is my dream ticket....
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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul
shut up with obama/paul
shut up with obama/paul ticket.. both of those men are direct opposites.. that commie bastard obama has no desire to stop that war or any other.. HE IS A LIAR! HE IS A SOCIALIST! Ron Paul could never be a VP to that peice of dried up dog crap! give it a break!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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Why would Ron Paul say this...
Look At approx. 2:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBnkIBEukNo
What is your opinion of Dr Pauls remark?
What you believe too be true, is true too you...
What you believe to be true, is true to you... "until you change your mind"
what about the remark.. he
what about the remark.. he said obama was the least likely to go against Iran.. BIG DEAL! you think that that is worthy of this piece of trash post?
OBAMA SUCKS, OBAMA IS A LIAR, OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST!... you need to go join the OBAMA CAMP! I hate to say it but we do have some very stupid Ron Paul supporters who think that Obama is like Ron Paul! besides the war ---OBAMA IS TOTALLY AGAINST monetary policy,
welfare reform .. that idiot obama wants to tax me more.. money I can not afford right now to feed the rest of the world! and take away my second ammendment rights! and you link this commie jerkoff to Ron Paul.. you should be ashamed!
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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Thank you 4 your unbiasd input.
With an open mind [legalizeliberty], I think I understand your slant? I'm not sure of the influence and powers of the VP, though I've heard Cheney is one of the guys pulling the strings? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney . I'm not sure what it costs too get into the "CFR" and how robotic its members are? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations . I did see RP's remark with regard to Obama at 2:45 of this interview > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBnkIBEukNo . I enjoyed the comment of [fanofwalt] below not to mention their recent youtube vid, the one made on Mother's day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyekFCOnDVA . I've been told Ronald Reagan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan admitted he was wrong about the mid-east? Could it be possible for Ron Paul to teach the novice politician "Obama" ? With reasoned interpretation, I thank you for your post. In an overall intent of getting the message out I would welcome it, unless for some reason unknown, it would damage said message. In ending, is it really possible too agree too disagree and get what you want in general terms and or specific? I see your thought as deep vs shallow, clear vs hazed and un-biased vs biased, Thank you for your input or cut & paste :-P "Onward" >>>
What you believe too be true, is true too you...
What you believe to be true, is true to you... "until you change your mind"
Ventura / Paul ticket is the only sane choice to battle
the evil doers...
Alex Jones is one who has contact with both camps and could make this happen as he was (IMHO) a tremendous boost to the RP campaign.
Jesse"the bull dog" Ventura and Dr. Ron "the brain" Paul.
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Obama's going to choose Oprah
She'd be his most winning VP. She can spread the vegan gospel (her latest bent), build schools & sell books, while Obama taxes us to build schools, sell books & subsidize vegan grocery stores. News conferences can be O-prah O-bama shows, & she can interview him while they talk about how "The Secret" is going to bring our country to great achievement. When Obama even THINKS about Ron as his VP, monkeys will fly out of my butt, I'll be a size 8 again, & I'll be on the Kenyan Olympic 100 meter dash team. Oh, and I'll be featured as one of Oprah's Favorite Things.
Yes,
too much kool-aid indeed. On CNN the mentioned that someone asked whether a nominee is free to nominate as VP someone from another party in the affirmative. They mentioned Lincoln-Jackson, Kerry and possibly McCain and went on to say that hypothetically Obama could choose Huckabee and Clinton Ron Paul! Imagine that! The truth is that Obama and Paul are so far apart: Obama is the most liberal and Paul the most fiscally conservative. I read some about Obama - Hagel and the fact that Hagel is also like Paul pro-life is already a no.
The problem with such a combination is also that if the president would die (assasinated etc/), the VP from the other party would be the successor..
What is more likely is that members of the other party may be appointed in cabinet.
If Paul does not get the GOP nomination, he could always be appointed minority leader in congress and in 2 years, if the GOP retake control, he could be the speaker of the house, the second most important position, less than the president but more important than the vice president.
Paul would enjoy great appeal across the party-line.
POST THIS ON OBAMA FORUM SOMEWHERE, NOT HERE!
And while at it, consider OBAMA - ALEX JONES ticket.
"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson
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no shit
no shit dude.
Interesting Idea but...
There is way too much KOOL-AID flowing here. Obama is the antithesis of Ron Paul. He represents the CFR and the global agenda of the elite. Ron Paul represents the opposite. I just can't see this one.
sick
Obama a maxist believes in total government control of the people, all property, and the very lives and deaths of the citizens and Ron Paul a man that believes in freedom and that the government should not control the lives of the people is 100% unrealistic.
Is is more likely that you can get a lion to mate with a chicken.
Or a mouse to mate with shark. Not possible.
Sorry no chance no way.
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I buried this article...
As INACCURATE...
Because thats exactly what it is... WHY PUSH THE FKEN DELUSION OBAMA IS OK?
Thats what you do... when you call it a dream ticket..
It's a fken nightmare ticket... until, someone - takes out the president... if RP was VP... then It'd be pretty sweet...
(You think I'm radical? Tell that to the fken founding fathers)