BOB BARR THREAD -wether you are for or against please post here UPDATE!!
Submitted by bedr1 on Mon, 05/26/2008 - 14:51
In order to not get the Daily Paul bogged down with Bob Barr stuff for or against - please post all threads to this forum. Please keep bumped so nobody has negative or positive headlines on the main page for or against Bob Barr or Baldwin for that matter.
PLEASE NOTE: Anyone can bump this thread if they see a post about Barr, Baldwin, Nader etc that is on the main page of DailyPaul. It will be considered okay to bump if that happens.
UPDATE!! Added Video from Barr on CNN this morning
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"Obamney care," Nuff said.
Bobbarrforums.com Move There
http://bobbarrforums.com/
All the Barr supporters should check this site out. It only has 54 members. I think there are more than that on here right now.
Fundraising Totals
Barr to date $145,586
http://www.bobbarr2008.com/
Baldwin to date $35,472
http://baldwin2008.com/index.php
Now I think we can all agree these two candidates should be fully funded. I would like to see those Paul donors atleast give a little to spread our message.
good point, but Barr just started and Baldwin has been going
Good point, but if Barr had been nominated as the LP the same time Baldwin was he would have alot more money at this time.
Barr has a lot of money for the time he has been in - actually he is on pace to quickly pass what Ron Paul did in the first quarter of 07 as a Presidential Candidate.
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Wayne Allyn Root
He's the LP VP, and he's the man. I'm impressed with him. Check him out on YouTube. He's passionate, well-spoken, and funny. He's also got solid libertarian beliefs from what I can tell.
Barr is non-event
Unless Dr. Paul endorses him. Historically, the LP and 3rd parties just don't matter. Every once in a while the LP pulls a few votes that matter to a Republican race, but that's it. Because of the Barr nomination, the LP vote total may even be less than usual.
Here's the effect of Bob Barr running
It'll be more likely the democratic candidate will win.
Voting for Bob Barr will siphon votes away from McCain, because some believe in the republican ideals and want to save the party, but think Bob Barr adheres to those ideals better than John McCain.
Barr is the Republican Ralph Nader of 2008. Has anyone heard anything from Ralph Nader since his announcement a year ago? I haven't and probably won't because the democrats have the people they want in place. Now, whether you think McCain or Hillary/Barack is no choice at all. All will perpetuate war and most likely institute a draft. The question is will you also be taxed to oblivion like Barack and Hillary want to do, or will you face four years with a president with PTSD.
For all those people who say I'll be wasting my vote-I don't think so as I am proud to be one of the more than 1 million who has already voted for Ron Paul in the primary.
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WAKE UP!!!!!! who cares if a
WAKE UP!!!!!!
who cares if a democrat wins... it makes no difference.. MCCAIN IS A DEMOCRAT! wether is a democrat or a republican in the whitehouse its still the same old same old! UNLESS RON PAUL WOULD WIN THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION! If I cannot vote or write in Ron Paul I will vote for Chuck Baldwin! it is a protest vote! its my way of giving the establishment/media the middle finger and tell those idiots that I am not a product of the government indroctrination centers(public schools) and can think for myself! democrat/republican .. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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A vote for Barr is sending the right message.
I'm no fan of Bob Barr, but I'm a big supporter of the libertarian message in general and the Ron Paul rLOVEution in particular.
As long as libertarian Republicans like Ron Paul are not on the ballot, a vote for Bob Barr, or for any Libertarian candidate, is sending the right message: only candidates who stand for greatly reduced government can have my vote.
Now, as long as only 1% or fewer of us vote like that, then yes, the message is not very effective. But if we starting get 10% or more of the vote, then, and only then, will the politicians and the MSM begin to take notice. And the only way to get there is to have all of us vote for libertarian candidates, including Bob Barr.
This is not about Ron Paul.
This is not about Bob Barr.
We must get beyond the personalities.
This is about the message of liberty.
"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."
Minarchism
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EXACTLY.
The revolution is about liberty. Barr may not be the perfect libertarian, but then Dr. Paul may not be either. If we demand libertarian purity we're not going to get anywhere. Even if Barr didn't believe his own rhetoric I would still want him up there on the debate stage against McCain and Obama. The message of liberty needs to be heard if we're going to change minds and change the world.
so what is wrong with the
so what is wrong with the constitution party's message about liberty? and your telling me that Ron Paul has not spread this message for the past year!?? where have you been? am I missing something but I have never seen a libertarian candidate in a debate with either the republican or democratic candidates on national tv. where do you pull that out from? RON PAUL WOULD BE THE PERFECT LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE AS HE WOULD ALSO BE THE PERFECT CP CANDIDATE! billydee take your dribble elsewhere! your not selling it here! the reason why were such staunch Ron Paul supporters is because we can think! Ron Paul has done more in 1 year to change minds and change the world the the libertarian party has done in 30! get over your self!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
Hey McCain-----┌П┐(◣_◢)┌П┐
Agreed
It's depressing that to so many RP supporters the revolution seems to be more about Ron Paul than about the message of liberty, which if course is the opposite of what even Ron Paul says.
There is no shame in belonging to a cult of ideas.
But if this is a cult of a man -- Ron Paul -- then the point is missed.
"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."
Minarchism
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Everything you post from now on bedr1
will be flagged as SPAM you Bob Barr troll
This is not your forum, this is RON PAUL's forum and we are SICK of hearing about your War on Drugs-Supporter/CIA member hero.
STFU
Ron Paul or NO ONE!
I'll cast my vote for RP...period!
ANYTHING else is wasted!
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
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Then youre going to waste your vote
Dr. Paul is not going to file as a write-in candidate. His presidential campaign is over after McCain is nominated. Your vote won't even by counted.
Can't support Barr
I don't trust him. The VERY first time I heard Dr. Paul speak I knew, KNEW he was speaking the truth, from his heart. I still couldn't believe a politician could actully be honest so I checked his record, looked for dirt. RON PAUL IS AND WAS WHAT HE SAYS HE IS. This guy is a pretender. It is written all over him. I'm calling shenanagins.
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Actually the Libertarian has been hand tied by the old school
Actually the Libertarian has been hand tied by the old school purists - thats what has kept their party from growing. They did terrible the last 2 election cycles. I really don't think the old school Libbys want to win, they just want to spout thier viewpoints. Why do you think Ron Paul would not go on their ballot - he has taken so much flack for it, that it probably has cost him the White House.
No the LP has to be somewhat (not alot) more mainstream - this is their chance.
Let's be realistic.
The chances of a Libertarian Party nominee winning the general election are non-existent.
So, then it comes down to who you would support, knowing that it will either be a R or D in the White House.
Personally, if I'm voting for a losing candidate just to make a statement, it will be the candidate of my choosing, by God.
And Ron Paul it will be.
IF Ron Paul makes an endorsement of some other candidate, then I will take that under strong consideration for altering my direction.
Until then, no change in my plans.
support for Barr
Let's be realistic, the chances of Dr. Paul winning the Republican nomination are nonexistant. All of the plausible scenarios in which he does win the nomination revolve around McCain health failing before the convention. Yes, the revolution can and must go on past the convention and the election, but we will all still have a vote to cast this fall. Who is the best candidate that most closely represents the views of Dr. Paul that have brought us all together here? Clearly, it is Bob Barr. No, I'm not a big fan of his, but he's far better than the Republicrat candidates. Cast your vote for Barr, and continue the revolution regardless of the outcome.
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Let's be realistic. The chances of anyone but Barack Obama or John McCain becoming the next president are virtually nonexistent.
So doesn't it make sense to vote for the candidate in the race who is an actual member of the Ron Paul movement? An actual vocal supporter of Ron Paul? That's Chuck Baldwin, not Bob Barr.
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Thanks for the welcome.
Thanks for the welcome. Although I've been following Dr. Paul's campaign for a while, and spreading his message, I've just recently found this site.
I don't know much about Chuck Baldwin, so I'll do some research before I form an opinion on him. I do wish someone else would have gotten the Libertarian nomination, because Barr has some flaws in his voting record. If Chuck Baldwin can get on the ballot in all 50 states, and get an endorsement from Dr. Paul, then I would vote for him.
Barr most closely represents Ron Paul's values?
Have you even heard of Chuck Baldwin? BTW past record is a much better indicator of future votes than present retoric.
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
I was the first person to post about Chuck Baldwin on the DP
I have no problem with Chuck, think he's great but his party will only be on the ballot in about 30 states - he has no name recognition, he is not even polling at a 1/2 percent - he has no chance to get on the MSM.
Barr, is pushing our issues, he is already at 7-8% in the polls, he is getting MSM attention - he has a chance.
I can guarntee that I did
I can guarntee that I did more here in Ohio for Ron Paul than half of the people from here. For me, I intend to listen to Ron Paul. Ron said his campaign is winding down, he said he will NOT be the Republican nominee, he said he would continue to run and campaign in the states to have yet to vote, but other than those he was done. We need to get behind somone who is running on a Ron Paul Republlican platform, and that is what Barr is doing.
I can guarntee that Paul's campaign gives the whole contact list to Barr's campaign, in fact I already rececived a Bob Barr E-mail from a Ron Paul 2008 dot com domain.
I did all I could to help Ron Paul in Ohio, and we made great strides but think what of we can do if we unite in November?
Like Ron always says, it is about the message- not the man, and Bob Barr has the best shot of spreading the message!
Agreed Henry
We shall see what we can do at the Republican Convention, but unless McCain croaks we probably need to look elsewhere as a plan B.
Bob Barr I agree
Go Bob Barr
Go Bob Barr. Go Chuck Baldwin. Go Cindy from the Greens.
McCain and Obama and Clinton all are CFR.
Only Cindy tells it like it is on 9-11; visit her website for great new articles on how 9-11 was an inside job -- written by former intel folks, and chief of staff to Bob Dole.
how many states are Greens on?
any idea
Ron Paul...
For the win....Idaho votes tomorrow you all, and yes Ron Paul is a Republican who is on the ballot. Bob Barr is the Libertarian Candidate, we all know that, so let's focus our efforts on the States that are still voting for Ron Paul please..................... Go Idaho, maybe, just maybe there will be some true patriots like Bazookaman in your state that will give Ron Paul the winning state.
Go Ron Paul in Idaho
No doubt we are all pulling that you win the State of Idaho for Ron Paul
I know Barr supporters in Idaho will be voting Ron Paul today
Ron Paul could win Idaho