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Are You Required by Law to Fill Out the Census survey?

I was sent a "american community survey" from the u.s. census. It says my response is required by law but what's their recourse?

Its asking really specific questions with regards to who's living at my house their names and incomes. My main fear is that I'll foul up one number on the income statement or earned interest and then I'll get audited for tax evasion, Can I just ignore this?

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I CLAIMED MY RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS - 13 USC 221 (c)

13 USC 221 - (c) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, no person shall be compelled to disclose information relative to his religious beliefs or to membership in a religious body.

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good job

Thank you Lisa.

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Study the Law

I am always surprised and a bit disappointed that Americans know so little about the legal system. We have basically given over, surrendered, our natural rights to lawyers by our willingness to let them do our thinking for them. I thought it might be a little different here, but sadly this isn't true. Everyone has been making comments based on no actual study or research at all - just personal opinions, which have no standing in law (you know what they say about opinions). In fact, everything the government does, even the most aggrecious things (like health Care) are done legally, at least under the color of law (looks like a duck, quacks like a duck but it's not). We could all learn the basics of how to read a statute in less than a semester if we wanted, then you could read the laws and see for yourself what is going on to deceive you -- and NOT have to take anyone's word for it, let alone some talking head.

All the issues discussed here are covered by LAW. You can read the law, once you learn a few basic principles of statutory construction, and see for yourself the truth. If you form an opinion before researching the facts then you are actually not an adult human being with natural rights (God given) under LAW, you are a "US Person" or a ward of the state (Fed), like a child with no legal standing (someone who is not responsible for themselves), someone with CIVIL rights instead of natural rights (given by a civil authority by law as opposed to born with) - and that's how the get jurisdiction over you (among other things).

Fortunately, there are some patriots (usually not attorneys) that have taken the time and effort to read the law, in this case Title 13 of the U.S. Code. Here is part of an article that attempts to explain why there is no requirement under Title 13 to answer the 2010 Census. Remember, this guy is not an attorney, but he has really done a lot of homework. This article is intended to be thought provoking to responsible patriotic Americans that want to take responsibility for their own natural rights by learning the principles of statutory construction - something apparently that most people in Congress cannot seem to do these days. We must learn to do it, or Health Care will be the least of our problems.

"... So here’s the question: Why would the Founders of this country write a Bill of Rights, but then trash the whole thing for a census in the same Constitution – and how can the US Census Bureau use Census 2010 to demand personal answers, under threat of prosecution, from every person in the United States, without violating the 4th and 5th Amendments?

Here’s the short answer: The Founders DIDN’T, and the Census Bureau (according to it’s own Census law, Title 13 of the U.S. Code) CAN’T.

In that case, are the Census Bureau’s actions illegal? Believe it or not, the government gets away with most of the things it does not through brazen illegality, but simply by allowing people to believe they know the law - when they don’t. "

See:
http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13210...

In Old English Common Law, Libera Lex referred to the Law of Freemen. The Founders used Latin names to hide their identity. Alexander Hamilton, John Jay & James Madison used Publius on the Federalist Papers. In that spirit I created Libera Lex.

Welcome to Daily Paul

great first comment.

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Thanks

Thanks ... I go into more detail on stuff like this on my new blog, www.LiberaLex.com. I plan on doing a whole series soon on the principles of statutory construction. But first I want to do one this weekend on the relationship between freedom and private property. The founders knew that the right to own "private property" is what defines freedom. Private property cannot be taken away from you by anyone, neither a king more a federal government. When your property is no longer yours you are not free. IN fact, your first expression of private property are your thoughts and speach, your intellectual property - that's why the very first Amendment guarantees your freedom of speech. Without that fundamental property you can never really secure any private property.

That is a fundamental principle of law and human nature. In America as the founders envisioned it there would be problems with some people being too rich or too poor, but that is the price we are supposed to be willing to pay for true freedom (as opposed to legislated "civil" rights bestowed on you by a central authority as they see fit). The overall benefits to everyone of being truly free far outweigh the inconveniences of a few inequities. Some stars just shine brighter than others.

- Sorry, got carried away. I'll save it for my blog...

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Amazing Stupidity

The U.S. Constitution empowers the Congress to carry out the census in "such manner as they shall by Law direct" (Article I, Section 2). The Founders of our fledgling nation had a bold and ambitious plan to empower the people over their new government. The plan was to count every person living in the newly created United States of America, and to use that count to determine representation in the Congress.

Enshrining this invention in our Constitution marked a turning point in world history. Previously censuses had been used mainly to tax or confiscate property or to conscript youth into military service. The genius of the Founders was taking a tool of government and making it a tool of political empowerment for the governed over their government.

They accomplished that goal in 1790 and our country has every 10 years since then. And we’re about to continue that tradition in 2010. In 1954, Congress codified earlier census acts and all other statutes authorizing the decennial census as Title 13, U.S. Code. Title 13, U.S. Code, does not specify which subjects or questions are to be included in the decennial census. However, it does require the Census Bureau to notify Congress of general census subjects to be addressed 3 years before the decennial census and the actual questions to be asked 2 years before the decennial census.

Questions beyond a simple count are Constitutional

It is constitutional to include questions in the decennial census beyond those concerning a simple count of the number of people. On numerous occasions, the courts have said the Constitution gives Congress the authority to collect statistics in the census. As early as 1870, the Supreme Court characterized as unquestionable the power of Congress to require both an enumeration and the collection of statistics in the census. The Legal Tender Cases, Tex.1870; 12 Wall., U.S., 457, 536, 20 L.Ed. 287. In 1901, a District Court said the Constitution's census clause (Art. 1, Sec. 2, Clause 3) is not limited to a headcount of the population and "does not prohibit the gathering of other statistics, if 'necessary and proper,' for the intelligent exercise of other powers enumerated in the constitution, and in such case there could be no objection to acquiring this information through the same machinery by which the population is enumerated." United States v. Moriarity, 106 F. 886, 891 (S.D.N.Y.1901).

The census does not violate the Fourth Amendment. Morales v. Daley, 116 F. Supp. 2d 801, 820 (S.D. Tex. 2000). In concluding that there was no basis for holding Census 2000 unconstitutional, the District Court in Morales ruled that the 2000 Census and the 2000 Census questions did not violate the Fourth Amendment or other constitutional provisions as alleged by plaintiffs. (The Morales court said responses to census questions are not a violation of a citizen's right to privacy or speech.) "…[I]t is clear that the degree to which these questions intrude upon an individual's privacy is limited, given the methods used to collect the census data and the statutory assurance that the answers and attribution to an individual will remain confidential. The degree to which the information is needed for the promotion of legitimate governmental interests has been found to be significant. A census of the type of Census 2000 has been taken every ten years since the first census in 1790. Such a census has been thought to be necessary for over two hundred years. There is no basis for holding that it is not necessary in the year 2000."

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit affirmed the District Court decision on October 10, 2001, 275 F.3d 45. The U.S. Supreme Court denied petition for writ of certiorari on February 19, 2002, 534 U.S. 1135. No published opinions were filed with these rulings.

These decisions are consistent with the Supreme Court's recent description of the census as the "linchpin of the federal statistical system … collecting data on the characteristics of individuals, households, and housing units throughout the country." Dept. of Commerce v. U.S. House of Representatives, 525 U.S. 316, 341 (1999).

Further, Title 13, protects all data collected. It cannot be given to any governmental agency, including the IRS. It will be released after 72 years and can then be accessed for genealogy. The penalty for disclosure is a fine of $250,000, and/or 5 years in prison.

Please make sure you know what you're talking about before giving bad information.

Attorney at Law, / Constitution Professor.

ah, the poison pill trojan horse argument

this is akin to the the general welfare argument where people falsely assert that governemnt therefore has the power to do anything they wish under the title of general welfare.

read the 10th amendment:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. "

oh yeah, and in response to your title 13 protection of data nonsense, read this article:

March 30, 2007
Confirmed: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WW II
Government documents show that the agency handed over names and addresses to the Secret Service
By JR Minkel

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=confirmed-t...

Enumeration only and send them a copy of this

To Whom it May Concern,

Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total number of occupants at this address. My "name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, telephone number, relationship and housing tenure" have absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives. Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau have the constitutional authority to make that information request a component of the enumeration outlined in Article I, Section 2, Clause 3. In addition, I cannot be subject to a fine for basing my conduct on the Constitution because that document trumps laws passed by Congress.

Interstate Commerce Commission v. Brimson, 154 U.S. 447, 479 (May 26, 1894)

"Neither branch of the legislative department [House of Representatives or Senate], still less any merely administrative body [such as the Census Bureau], established by congress, possesses, or can be invested with, a general power of making inquiry into the private affairs of the citizen. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168, 190. We said in Boyd v. U.S., 116 U. S. 616, 630, 6 Sup. Ct. 524,―and it cannot be too often repeated,―that the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and it's employees of the sanctity of a man's home and the privacies of his life. As said by Mr. Justice Field in Re Pacific Ry. Commission, 32 Fed. 241, 250, 'of all the rights of the citizen, few are of greater importance or more essential to his peace and happiness than the right of personal security, and that involves, not merely protection of his person from assault, but exemption of his private affairs, books, and papers from inspection and scrutiny of others. Without the enjoyment of this right, all others would lose half their value.'"

Note: This United States Supreme Court case has never been overturned.

Respectfully,

may I ask

thank you for this info... I have read, the intitial intent was to draw congressional lines, for equal representation of the people. I wonder why then, why they do not ask... how many people of VOTING age are present, not necessarily age... WHY is gender important (back when this started, females were not even counted because they could not vote) and males of a certain age were counted due to them coming of age to vote. They should perhaps ask how many people are Registered to vote... Not age, sex, race, ethinicity, religion.

Can you answer whether there has been any amendendents requiring disclosing information about gender, etc?

Good question

According to the Constitution, taking of a Census every 10 years is law. It's on the books. I just got my form today and there are quite a few questions of a personal nature - such as how much money did I make last year? I bristled at this kind of question and sent an email to my attorney, asking if I should fill it out?

He said I should - otherwise I could face some pretty stiff penalties, and the Government would probably get more info in the long run than if I had just answered the questions.

It's nice to be brave and to fight tyranny, but I just got married and am in the midst of applying for a green card for my wife. I don't want to rock the boat one bit now. Besides, at the end of the day I have nothing to hide about my life.

This is not to dissuade any of the patriots from standing firm on the Fifth Amendment, or to tell the Census takers to stick it. But you have to choose your battles and this one seems pretty minor, considering.

Oh, if a census-taker does come to your door, make sure they are wearing an ID badge. Ask them if they have had the requisite 3 weeks of training and have sworn an oath of secrecy. They could lie, of course, but many of the new census-takers were jobless before and really need to do some work.

Taking the census . . .

is not the same as being required to fill out some questionnaire coming from a purported government.

Tell me, is your name "TO RESIDENT AT"?

I didn't think so.

Phil. 4:13

"It's on the books."

What "books"? Does your hypocrite attorney, who knows nothing about law, have the requisite license to practice law, and the mandated bond, oath and insurance to do business in your state? I thought not.

Beware Scams - Identy theft

There are several scams that are made to look like the census.

(I mean a very large number of them - not a small amount)

Census has these web pages to help identify legit forms from bogus ones.

http://www.census.gov/survey_participants/

(Reality Check)
Th private sector - particularly advertisers - have an extreme amount of info about you.

For example go here...

http://www.zabasearch.com/

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I got one and only filled out the first question

All the rest i wrote N/A over the question.
I also scribbled a cute message all over their document ,see ya at fema camp
Fear no man !

Initially I filled the entire

Initially I filled the entire form out. Now after reading/joining this site, I want to only enumerate the number in my household. I haven't mailed my form in yet. Is there a way I can get a new form? Any help would be appreciated.

Yes, just don't send in the

Yes, just don't send in the one you have already filled out. I believe they will send you another form if they don't get a response from you regarding the first one (before the pesky phone calls and visits start)

The Constitutional purpose of

The Constitutional purpose of the Census is to apportion the number of Representatives in the House of Representatives. The Constitution does give the federal government the authority to count the number of people, and that's where their constitutional authority ends.

There were amendments requiring age & sex, but from what I remember reading those age/sex requirements have been repealed with newer amendments.

So it still stands, afaik, that the only constitutionally authorized function of the Census is to simply count the number of people and no more than that.

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OMB No. 0607-0919-C

Almfree,
I have the "standard" census form and there is an OMB number under Q4. I just registered here because I wasn't comfortable with the data being asked for. A little web searching brought me here and many other places. The only thing I'm certain of, is I have to do more research today and tomorrow.

In-Patriot

interesting...

I spent a little time searching around and there is a variety of 2010 Census forms available for viewing- you're right in that some do have an OMB # under question four and some others have an OMB # on the top left. Whatever form I had did not have an OMB number anywhere- believe me, I looked carefully for it.

Thank you all kindly for the

Thank you all kindly for the welcoming salutations.

In-Patriot

Welcome In-Patriot

...tell your friends.

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In-Patriot-

Welcome aboard!

Last sentence of Census answers question:

I don't have it in front of me so I'm going by memory- but I think it is the very LAST sentence of the last page of the Census that actually answers your own question- essentially it says- 'any request for information that is lacking an OMB number does not need to be answered' [paraphrased]. Go read the actual sentence- If there is no Office of Management and Budget (OMB) number on the form (do you see one?) you don't need to answer it per the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1974 (commonly the PRA of 74). Take note- The PRA is even mentioned in a brief paragraph on the last page. It is referring to the United State Code Title 44 (where you'll find the PRA).

Because I (we?) wish to abide by the Constituion- I DID answer the very first question- how many People? I simply wrote 4 and left everything else blank.

Also note- the PRA provides a complete defense in administrative and judicial proceedings involving penalties/fines for refusing to answer a request for info that is missing a valid OMB number.

CENSUS worker in the Campgrounds!

We took advantage of the great weather last weekend here in PA and went camping in Lancaster. Upon our return from shopping, there was a Gov. vehicle at our campsite! This is a large campground/resort, but being the opening weekend, there were "only" 50 or so campers. Yet, he still made the rounds. He told us they were looking for people who don't have permanent addresses.........yet wanted to know our names....

I was astounded by this government hunt!

It is addressed to "Resident of ***"

Is it not? Are you a "resident"/U.S. Citizen/goyim/chattel property/human resource/enemy combatant/institutional unit/collateral on the international debt/slave/coward or are you a state citizen domiciled in your de jure republic? If you are not a resident then you are not required to respond. Simply return it 'Return to Sender; Insufficiency of Address'.

LOL! I hate said "resident"

because of all the junk mail. Hence I do not claim anything addressed to them (him/her/it??).

What are you fightin' for?
Caught in the middle?
Freedom is only for those with the guts to defend it!

If they come on my property...

If they come on my property without a warrant are they not trespassing? Can I have them arrested since they were not given permission to come on the property? Does citizens arrest apply? It would be nice to know. Another thing, you can buy a GPS jammer, looks like something that would be fun to have.

RickStone