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Don't like $4/gal gas? Do you ride your bike?

If you don't like $130/barrel oil and $4/gal gas, what are you doing about it? Do you, for example, ever ride your bike to work, school or to run errands? Why or why not?

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The trueth is no matter how

The trueth is no matter how much gas we use it is going to continue to rise. Just ask Linsay Grahm. He will fill you in on what is really going on.

I have never owned a car

I have never owned a car (though I do have a driver's license!).

I having been riding the bus regularly since 2001. I am fortunate enough to live in a neighborhood with several grocery stores, drug stores, and bakeries all within a short walking distance of my apartment. I take the bus to work in the morning, but when the weather is nice, I walk home because it is only a two mile walk. I'm too scared to bike--lots of steep hills in the area, bad drivers, and harsh winter weather that makes biking impractical during a good portion of the year.

I don't have to buy gas, but the creep towards $4/gallon still affects me greatly because I am forced to pay higher prices for everything (especially food).

So you take the

tax-subsidized city bus government-enforced monopoly.

I don't expect much support

I don't expect much support on this from the DP crowd, but the US needs better transportation systems if we want to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Public transit is the one "government-enforced monopoly" that I don't mind supporting.

I walk about 4 miles a day

Some guy in the country gotta drive though. Is he guilty? Is he a bad person?

Can I bring up my 1972 Chevy Vega rant again?....Please?


My 1972 Chevy Vega four speed four cylinder got about 32 MPG on the highway (in 1974).

2008 Chevy cobalt 5 speed 4 cylinder gets about 32 MPG on the highway.
I agree we need to walk, ride bikes, shut the Heat and AC off, pray for the trees and send money to the president of Greenpeace who advocates a return to nuclear power...whoa! That must be a misprint!....Greenpeace and nuclear power? This is like an April fools joke right? No it is true. Guess those nutty crunchies have finally seen the light of nuclear waste. Thank God they have shed their birkenstocks for the future....anyway back to the Vega.

"They" have had 36 years and something like two million dead from oil wars to ratchet the 4 cylinder Chevy up to something wild like 33 MPG and no.....I have to effing walk everywhere.

I need a bike because the trillion dollars of research money the car makers have put into metal flake paint, 22 inch wheels, DVD systems, removable seats, SUV's the size of my parents first house and airbags that maim almost as many people as they save and I need to get roller skates.

I am an a$$hole because I have a bad carbon imprint and I need to ride a bike because the nazis who run everything have decided to make using oil a bad thing when it is their responsibility that WE USE ANY F%$#KING OIL AT ALL.

There, now I have to walk down to the market and buy a bottle of spring water (which is bottled in lethal plastic that is banned in Canada) because Monsanto has pumped so much sh%$ into our city tap the animals wait for it to rain and drink from the puddles.




too much danger to ride a bike in the city

I stopped riding bikes here in the city (25k) 20 years ago because of all of the bike/car/truck accidents. One in front of my house where I was first on the scene - yuck. Another guy was killed 3 blocks away from here as he waited at the corner on his bike and a truck took him out after being hit by a red light runner.

No thanks. Roads are not safe for bikes, here at least.

Please do not spread myths

It is a myth that roads are unsafe for bicycling (though it's a popular myth in every city, not just your little town of 25k).

The single factor that determines anyone's safety more than anything else, by far -- be they driver, bicyclist, motorcyclist or pedestrian -- is their own behavior.

If you pay attention, learn and follow the basic rules principles, and operate defensively, then bicycling in traffic can be a very safe activity. The problem is that the vast majority of people, including the vast majority of bicyclists, don't know how to do it. The good news is that learning to ride safely and comfortably in all kinds of traffic may not be intuitive, but it's relatively easy to learn.


Effective Cycling by John Forester
Cyclecraft by John Franklin
The Art of Urban Cycling by Robert Hurst
StreetSmarts by John S. Allen

http://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/index.htm (StreetSmarts)

You can also take a class offered by the League of American Bicyclists: http://bikeleague.org/programs/education/

"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."


If only the dead bike riders had...

There are a few bikers out a hundred who actually obey traffic rules and appear to be operating safely, but most do not. If you pay attention, if you follow basic rules, if, if, if. And don't forget what might be the most important if - if only motorists would share the road, respect bikers and not drive like teenagers, then biking would be safe. Current biking reality is grim. My best to you out there.

Listen to your own words

There are a few bikers out a hundred who actually obey traffic rules and appear to be operating safely, but most do not..

Yes. that's the problem. Most bicyclists do not even obey the basic rules and principles, much less pay appropriate attention and know, learn and follow traffic cycling best practices.

As a result there are about 800 cyclist deaths per year in the USA, about half caused by cyclists doing blatantly stupid stuff like running red lights or riding at night without lights, and the other half mostly primarily caused by motorist error, but almost all of which could still have been avoided by the prudent cyclist (after all, the basic principle of defensive driving is that either person involved in a crash could have avoided it).

So the cyclists who do know and learn to obey the rules, principles and cycling safety best practices, they are quite safe. That's a few ifs, but not an unreasonable or impractical number.

There is nothing grim about biking in any U.S. city today. It's safe and fun.

"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."


Just had a study in Australia that showed you are more likely

to be killed on a bike than a scooter/moped. As an ex-motorcycle rider, I can attest to how stupid most drivers are when it comes to anything on two wheels nearby.

The problem with smaller towns is they don't have the cycleways that the bigger cities have and they have little to no experience sharing the road. I've ridden in my parents small town and definitely feel safer in my city of 1 million.

Having said that, I will be giving up my car for a bike at some point. Looking at moving to a flatter city.


Lisa C.


Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!

study sounds right

The results of that study sound right, and I would expect similar results in the U.S.

The reason that bicycling is more dangerous than a scooter/moped is counter-intuitive. It's not because bicyclists are slower and so are hit from behind. It's because bicyclists are slower and so are irrationally afraid of being hit from behind, and so ride "out of the way" where they are more likely to be overlooked by crossing traffic IN FRONT OF THEM. And I'm not just talking about crossing movements in intersections, but also at junctions with driveways, etc.

Bicyclists often ride along feeling safe in a bike lane when suddenly someone in oncoming traffic turns left across their path to drive into a driveway or gas station or something. That's called a left cross. See bicyclesafe.com.

A big part of safe cycling is knowing when you are noticed, when you are likely to be noticed, and when you are likely to be overlooked, and riding accordingly.

Anyway, this is out of scope for this forum, except that I believe similar dynamics in the culture inhibit the propagation of Ron Paul's message of liberty that inhibit the propagation of the message of safe traffic cycling.
Namely, a lot of ignorance and misinformation, coupled with myths and folklore.

"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."


I picked up a cheap Cinese scooter…

… for $675.00 plus freight. I use it for all short commutes and local errands instead of my 3k pound car. I've had it for about four months now and so far so good. Starts right up, runs smooth, does 55 mph and gets about 75 mpg. I live in Arizona so pretty good scooting weather most of the year. It's also a lot of fun… I'm 61 years old.

"It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." Samuel Adams

“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”― Henry David Thoreau

Has anybody tried that SFR

Has anybody tried that SFR fuel additive that Alex Jones advertises on his radio show?

Ride or Walk Almost Every Day

I am lucky and live just under 2 miles from my work. I ride my bike or walk just about every day weather permitting. I have gotten to where I fill my gas tank about once a month. Also just got my motorcycle license and plan on using that option.

I am in the outskirts of the Bay Area in California and the hippies out here are starting to make their own biodiesel. Might be something worth looking into.

22 miles

is a long way to ride each way. My commuter car gets 30 mpg (1985 Saab SPG).

But once I get to work- I walk everywhere. To the bank (2 blocks), the grocery store (6 blocks), a restaurant for lunch (2-4 blocks), etc.

If gas got way high, I would ride that distance if I had to. Might see about switching to 4 ten hour days a week though, lol. Carpooling would be an option also.

My work is less than 5min away..though riding a bike at 11PM

for hospital night shift doesn't seem to be safe...so I have yet to unpack my boxed $60 Mongoose mtb I got from Amazon a year ago. So I still drive that short of a trip...besides, I'm ok with $10/wk it costs me to top-off (I fill up even at one hash mark below full..from errands, trips to gf, etc.) for premium (Passat 1.8 Turbo)...not bad at all.

I ride to work almost daily

and my family has taken to riding our bikes for errands more often now, too.

I even have a Ron Paul bumper sticker on my bike trailer. :-)


I would seriously consider

I would seriously consider riding a bike to work if I didn't live 20 miles away. I really don't think it is practical for me. School is a little less than ten miles away.

20 miles is doable

Try riding to and from work on a day off, just to see how long it will take.
How long does it take to drive by car?
Even if you average 60 mph by car and 10 mph by bike, that's 40 minutes of car commute (round trip) and 4 hours of bike commute. BUT, if you go by bike you get the benefit of 4 hours of exercise for the price of 3 hours and 20 minutes, plus the bonus of saving all that gas money to boot. And you should be able to average closer to 15 mph by bike, and eventually even 20 mph if it's flat. And unless it's all freeway by car, you probably average something less than 60 mph when going by car, so the numbers are probably much better. For example, if you avg 40 mph by car and 20 mph by bike, the time by car is one hour (round trip) and two hours (round trip) by bike.

It's a mistake to think of the total time of the bike commute as "lost time" due to biking instead of motoring. Remember to subtract the time it would take to commute by car, and any time you would use to exercise that you no longer need to do because of all the cardio exercise you're getting while biking to work. And since time is money, money is time, so add the value of the time you can buy with the money you save by biking.

If you can actually get rid of a car by biking instead, the savings are huge.

"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."


I have

been riding my bike more and more lately. I got started riding it to the local pub to avoid getting a DUI. It's only about a mile down the road and works great. You just have to really take your time getting home after a couple of cold ones!

If it's meant to be it's up to WE!

you can

still get a DUI on a bike or something like it! Your still operating a vehicle.

I know

I looked it up when I first started doing this. I figure my chances of not getting stopped are better on the bike. It's not like I'm swaying all over the road or anything. I do think it's pathetic thought that you can get a DUI on a bike! I could also get busted for walking home drunk. What the H is that all about?

If it's meant to be it's up to WE!

A friend of mine got a speeding ticket on his bike

He did not slow down to 15 mph for a school zone, so he got ticketed. 22 mph in a school zone, 7 mph over the limit. Whoops!


Our actions will win this revolution.

This goes for a lot of things involving our movement as well, do we still use Federal Reserve Notes, when we could be using other means of trade, not always practical, but sometimes it is possible, for example withdraw and pay in coins when possible.

Just started

Bought a $10 bike. Get to work in almost the same amount of time. Thankfully I am only 5 miles from work.

I walk to go shopping(at least for groceries) I work from home,

we replaced our car with one that gets double the miles per gallon...

.Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
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