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the Coming Civil War...

Barack Obama, the likely Democratic nominee, will defeat John McCain in the general election with as much as 400 to 30 electoral votes (maximum estimate). Simultaneously, the democrats will also maintain their majority lead in the House and Senate. However, for those running as conservative republicans and as Ron Paul Republicans, many will win.... I also predict that Bob Barr will end up with around 10% of the vote (with the maximum high at around 20%), which will also help lead to McCain's defeat.

However, what is important to note is not the obvious results of the coming election, but what happens afterwards... The massive Republican defeat will lead to a most certain GOP civil war. Many will cite Bob Barr's run for McCain's defeat... however, while this will be an aiding factor, McCain's defeat will be mostly due to being heavily outspent/outraised, his close relationship with the unpopular president, his continuation of unpopular policies (especially the war and his weakness on the economy). He will also lose the conservatives, most of whom will end up voting for Bob Barr... and, unless he picks a popular social conservative, he may end up losing the evangelical Christians. However, Bob Barr will not be the main reason.... he's more of an effect of McCain's run (not the cause of his defeat).... besides, voters don't belong to any one person/party... and, a Bob Barr/Libertarian run will have no effect on the Congressional races, so therefore, they won't be the cause of the Republican defeat.

So... this GOP Civil War will be attributed then to one or two things... some will claim the party wasn't unified and blame conservatives, especially supporters of Ron Paul who embarrassed McCain at the Convention and started an uprising in the delegate votes. However, the real reason for Republican defeat will be the exact thing that Ron Paul and his supporters have been complaining about: that the party has not stuck to its conservative platform. Thus, there will be a significant desire to move the party further to the right.... Ultimately, this conservative side will win. Maybe not right away, but if not right away, surely after 1 or 2 more election defeats of the party establishment. Thus, there will eventually be a much stronger support for conservative, Ron Paul-like candidates, and once these people run, they will win. And, I'd predict this to happen in the next 2-3 elections (not counting the coming one). so, 2-6 years from now.

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I think that is a fairly good take....

on what may happen....Maybe a little high on 3rd Party totals(though I hope your estimate is low)..but we need to see a civil war in the GOP...long overdue..

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Once the God hating humanists have taken (or more accuratly, be allowed to take) your freedoms, like Habeus Corpus, they will not just give them back because you ask nicely. Now is the time to fight, while some freedoms still exist.

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Sorry... I should have noted

Sorry... I should have noted this is the non-conspiracy theory version... if the conspiracy theories are true, then unfortunately, I think we're screwed.... that's why I went with this one... it has a happy ending.

A vote for McCain is a vote for Obama is a vote for Hillary

is now it seems a vote for Bob Barr. The elitists have all their bases covered they don't care who wins, they own them all. There will be no "real GOP civil war" there may be a fake one to help keep with this fascade. The elitists don't win elections, they have won them before they even happen. I believe in our delegates for Ron Paul, they are our last hope. We don't have another four years, we have got to kick ass now!!

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

And then

Ron Paul republicans will show the party that we have the answers and will lead the country back to our constitutional values.

You don't know this poster!!!!

Voice has constantly and constantly posted nasty remarks about Ron Paul on this forum and on multiple Ron Paul You Tube Videos and then comes to this site to push Barr!

He innocently makes his case for Barr and the other posters have fallen for his trickery.

His predictions and post here is bogus, don't fall for it!

sigh... I don't know how


Just because there's a chance I might end up voting for Bob Barr if Ron Paul isn't an option doesn't mean I am a troll, a neo-con, support Bob Barr, or am who you say I am.

Ask anyone here, and the people who know me will verify that I am not a troll.

LoL. poor guy....

LoL. poor guy....

"The casualty of partisanship is objectivity."

I am so SORRY!

I just read another post and remembered it was ONE VOICE - I tried to get back here to correct however, you beat me to it!

Man, you are quick!

Again - forget my response - it's the other guy by the almost same name!

don't worry about it... it

don't worry about it... it happens all the time.... I should just change my name, but.... to quote Office Space, "Why should I? He's the one who sucks."

hahaha. I actually almost

hahaha. I actually almost posted that quote when I saw the mistaken identity. Made me think of that same scene! Right on.

"The casualty of partisanship is objectivity."

A Voice NOT a troll

It is ONEvoice that was the troll!

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

This solution is too lengthy

So much can happen in 6 years. So much will probably happen in 6 months.

Is Ventura running? If so, how? Is it possible to run as an "Independent." If so, that is what we need to get Ron Paul to do after the RNC.

I Had a

whole other war pictured. LOL. :)

I'll welcome a civil war such as this

compared to the one I believe will occur if Obama is not elected.

If not us than who?

When McCain loses the

When McCain loses the election our GOP leaders will have only themselves to blame, although they will be doing whatever they can to say it was everyone else's fault but their own. The GOP is making the same mistake now as was made during the 1976 election.


Nice prediction

Thanks for the thoughtful post VOR. It deserves a thoughtful response.

I predict the overthrow (peaceful) of the Republican establishment this summer if they keep going along with the Democrats on Illegal Immigration, Global Warming, and farm bills laden with pork. Conservatives aren't buying it although McCain and the talking heads all deem it to be so.

Conservatives and Libertarians will come to Ron Paul in droves. His message is catching seeing there is no clear alternative to George Sorros candidates. The big three McCain/Hillary/Obama are a joke, everyone is starting to see that.

I'm positive about the future now that I know there is someone I can believe in ... Ron Paul.

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"Politics is the art of preventing people from taking part in affairs which properly concern them"
Paul Valery