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Ben Stein Forgets Ron Paul

Wasn't he on the list of speakers for the 4/15 washington march? I sent him an e-mail

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theyre all assholes. F*** BECK & F*** STEIN

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I'm disappointed in Ben Stein

do you have a link or e-amil address?

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Ya, I don't like Stein

He's on the Glenn Beck show a lot but I don't think he has ever mentioned Paul.
And isn't he an economist? I bet he's a Keynesian...

More info, please.

First of all, please provide more info in your opening comment. A synopsis of what the video is about would certainly be helpful.

Secondly, this is especially important since youtube has removed the video.

Finally, Ben Stein just produced an idiotic pro-"intelligent"-design "documentary" called "Expelled". See http://www.expelledexposed.com which exposes "Expelled" to be anti-science propaganda. There is no controversy about evolution or natural selection within the scientific community. The theory of evolution is fact, like the theory of gravity, the theory of magnetism, and the theory of relativity. The Ron Paul movement should have nothing to do with the deluded soul known as Ben Stein.

"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."


We all have our roles.

"Expelled" is what it is, propaganda.

However, evolution is not the same thing as gravity, magnetism, and relativity. (Well maybe relativity).

The underlying message of censorship within academia is more important.

theory not law

I don't want to debate evolution here but only to clarify the difference between natural laws and theories.
Not all scientific theories are accepted as laws of nature. Gravity is a law of nature as are Newton's laws of motion. Einstein's theory of relativity has not been accepted as a law of nature and is still challenged by other theories and evidence. Magnetism is a phenomenon that is pretty much accepted as law as well. All theories should remain open for debate.
The 'facts' of evolution, such as the age of the earth, carbon dating, etc. are regularly adjusted as new info is found. Therefore it is likely that the currently accepted facts could also be amended in the future . The absolute 'truth' may never be found unless we can travel through time to gather direct empirical evidence that fills in the blanks and confirms the assumptions used to form these theories. Any of us can test and confirm the laws of nature in the present time. We can also observe organisms evolving right now. This is not the same as claiming as fact what actually happened thousands or millions or billions or trillions of years ago, even if the argument is a logical one suggested by scientific evidence.
I think there is faith involved in both sides of the creation/evolution debate. Faith in the literal, infallible word of God as revealed in the bible, and faith in the scientific method, techniques, and assumptions of researchers who are trying to prove their theories.

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro.

Not to start something here but...

Have you even watched the movie? Not that I learned anything new from it. The rabid unscientific approach of squelching any alternative viewpoints has been pervasive throughout my education. Neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory is fraught with more problems than any of you would like to admit -- particularly the fact that natural selection cannot add new information to the genome, defies laws of mathematical probability, and runs counter to what we observe in nature. Any time someone makes comments like the ones above it is indicative of a dogmatic, even religious zeal for evolutionary theory at the expense of all other useful and intelligent research. It's time to throw out the failed and adjust to reality. Begin with a study of right-handed and left-handed nucleotides and an open mind (as the scientific method encourages us to do).

P.S. Thank you for having an open mind regarding liberty.


Look at each of your parents and you. You have a NEW unique look. That is NEW information in the genome, perhaps without any mutations even. Now do that over and over for hundreds of thousands of generations, and add mutations, and the opportunities for change, including the creation of new species, are practically boundless.

For actual living evidence, look up ring species. These are chains of populations, where each neighboring population is sexually compatible with its neighboring populations, but the populations at each end of the chain are separate species. The same thing happens will all species over time that happens geographically with ring species.

Winning the lottery defies the laws of mathematical probability, but people win all the time.

The whole right/left nucleotide thing is just another alleged example of "irreducible complexity", which comes from a lack of understanding and appreciation for how evolution by natural selection works.

These are tired arguments from ignorance. There is no controversy within the scientific community. There is not even any controversy at the WIkipedia level. See the article on evolution, for example.

If you think natural selection is random, by the way, you are very mistaken.

There is no controversy about evolution within the scientific community. Oh sure, many details are not yet known, and many will probably never be known, but there is no controversy over basic facts such as all living apes, including humans, share a common ancestor.

But if you have an open mind, then you should listen to this lecture. Don't miss the Q&A at the end.

"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."


Stein has overstayed his

Stein has overstayed his usefulness. "Expelled" cemented his position as a marginal actor and crackpot theory supporter for me.

"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore