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Lets email bomb Hugo Chavez!

THANKING HIM!

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/50662

Free oil for black americans.

I think we should reinforce 'good' behavior. I'd consider helping those in need 'good' behavior. I'm suggesting we email him and thank him for his kindness and humanitarian behavior.

What kind of message would we sending to him, the rest of the world, and especially our corrupted media thats Americans are refusing to be stupid for any longer.

A wise man once said

"A true patriot must always be ready to defend his country against it's government." -- Thomas Jefferson

So we must let the world know that the American people are not the American government.



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posted this elsehwere- why is chavez such a hot topic suddenly

Fortune Favors the Bold

Chavez is not the second coming of hitler the neo-cons make him out to me. He is also not the great hero the socialists make him about to be. He is a moderately benevolent dictator. Still a dictator.

In alot of third world countries, the "capitalism" they have is closer to kleptocracy. Chavez was probably a moderate improvement over the previous system. But make no mistake, he is a communist dictator. Somehow I feel, if the tide turned, and he was was no longer as popular, he would "know better" then the people and remain in power anyway.

Someone had questioned whether he was a dictator. While I don't dispute that he is clearly a popular ruler, he has accepted dictatorial powers: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/01/world/americas/01venezuela...

Fortune Favors the Bold

i would rather eat dog crap

i would rather eat dog crap and bark at tne moon before i send a letter congraduating this commie peice of horse sh** give me a break... he still stands for the exact opposite of Ron Paul! come on guys!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

Exactly

Some Ron Paul supporters harbor so much resentment for the MSM that they're starting to align with people like Chavez and Ahmadinejad.

The MSM is a propaganda machine, but that doesn't mean everything they say is automatically false. What they say is a mixture of truth and lies, so no one should automatically believe the opposite of what they claim.

I long for the day when we have our own media networks. I like what some guys are doing, and it'll help reduce the noise and confusion caused by the MSM.

After all of the lies I some

After all of the lies I some times wonder what side we are on. I mean we know Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and Iran is not a theat so Venezula is not a threat yet we are told to fear them and that they need to be dealt with. I wonder who the bad guy is.

War isn't always that simple.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend? Sure I agree, we should let the people of his country manage their own problem, but we can certainly shed a little light on what he is doing. Hugo Chavez isn't necessarily Bush's enemy, in fact I would suggest they probably meet secretly and smoke Cuban cigars together. Ever heard of Good Cop Bad Cop? Well this is how the game is played. They need an enemy in order to justify taking action, just like they needed Saddam in Iraq. Our government has many troops in Columbia to fight the drug war. This means we kill people to protect them from using drugs. Great policy. Don't be fooled.

What is up??????

Chavez has went against central banks all this time...and now he has formed The south american union where they will be putting in the central bank??????

South American Union is Formed
Thursday May 29, 2008
A South American Union, modeled along the European Union, was formed when the Union of South American Nations Treaty was signed last Friday, May 23, 2008. All twelve South American countries united under the treaty which seeks to form a common currency, passport, parliament, and defense. The UNASUR (Spanish: Union de Naciones Suramericanas) or UNASUL (Portuguese: Uniao de Nacoes Sul-Americanas) will be headquartered in Quito, Ecuador. Here is a list of the member countries of UNASUR:

Argentina
Bolivia
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Ecuador
Guyana
Paraguay
Peru
Suriname
Uruguay
Venezuela

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=South+American+Un...

"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32

hey now

the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

just because there are things going on his in his country and he's running things there doesn't mean its any of our business. BECAUSE i support ron paul i do not want to tell him how to run his country.

for me, i really think that we need to let the world know that the american news media is corrupted. hell, maybe even chavez doesn't know that. Anyway, even if he that horrible the people would revolt and over throw him.. so the people in effect want him in power and I dont blame them because its better than having all american corporations control that country's natural resources.

trade with all, alliances with none. lets not forget that.

I reserve the right to govern myself.

Tudo bem, Flavio.

Many people on this site have very limited sight. I don't blame them since it is difficult to see the whole picture. But we know in Brazil how Lula has gotten control of the people, it is scary. He will probably even get a third term. Here is how it works.

It is said that wild pigs are very intelligent and cautious. But to catch them isn't impossible. First you go out and give them food. At first they will leave the area, but eventually they will come to eat. Once they are used to getting feed, you build a single wall. Again they will leave, but get used to the wall and come to eat. Once they do you put up another wall and keep putting out food, they will leave but come back to eat. Do this until you build all four walls leaving only a small opening. When they come in through the small opening to eat, you simply close the entrance and they are trapped and ready for to be killed.

Now I don't think the plan is to kill the Brazilian poor people, but they have certainly buildt a few walls. Poor as you know doesn't mean they are starving in Brazil, it just means they don't have money. Many people who used to be able to fend for themselves, now don't even plant their own food any more. Their children of course will depend on the government as they won't have learned how to survive on their own and will have to be fed in their four walled pen.
grant

Don't get too cozy with Hugo Chavez, his methods are violent too

Unfortunately both sides tend to lie in order to retain power. Hugo Chavez may be doing some good, but so did Hitler. The problem is that he too is probably part of the NWO as he has together with the other South American leadership recently signed an agreement forming the Unisul or United South American Community. The goal is to have a South American Central Bank, like that of the European Union. So don't be fooled by a few tricks, since both sides seem to be working towards the same goal. Remember divide and conquer. They have divided us and if we allow they will conquer us. We want freedom, so we need to act like free men, not wait for a government to give it to us.
grant

It's absurd that a RP supporter would applaud Hugo Chavez

I believe a lot of you are reasoning that the enemy of your enemy is your friend. This is false reasoning.

It also surprises me that you're enamored with Chavez because he's giving away oil to certain groups of people. Guess what: this is the trademark of populism, socialism and central planning. The government should have no right to confiscate wealth from a group of people and give to another. How can someone who supports Ron Paul, who is against subsidies and an income tax be for Hugo Chavez?

Hugo Chavez is a socialist, and he makes no effort to hide it. He also has no respect for private property, and rewrites the law whenever he sees fit. Ron Paul has more in common with George Bush than with Hugo Chavez.

WAKE UP.

I am not Chavez' friend

but your last sentence above is ridiculous. Neither Ron Paul nor Hugo Chavez are owned by the bankers. GWB is. There could be no more fundamental difference among men.

You need to do your homework, bud. Find out why the war of 1812 was really started. Find out how many times Andrew Jackson was attacked and what the crowning achievement of his life was.

I do not condone socialism, but I can see how it could take a forced media control program to eliminate the influence of the bankers and their groupthink and 'social conventions'.

I choose not to condemn or condone, but merely to observe and try to learn from this man who flouts the elite.

He will die for his 'perfidy' but while he is here, we should at least observe respectfully and not judge based 'social conventions' and MSM labelling campaigns.

OK?

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

I stand by my last sentence

Ron Paul doesn't have much in common with GWB, but Chavez is a socialist dictator who wants to expand his control well beyond Venezuela's borders.

He will die for his 'perfidy' but while he is here, we should at least observe respectfully and not judge based 'social conventions' and MSM labelling campaigns.

I'm not judging based on social conventions or the MSM. I'm Brazilian, and have witnessed much more garbage from Chavez than the average American. The free oil propaganda is just a footnote to me.

My opinions regarding Hugo Chavez are based on my personal observations of his government's interaction with my own country's gang of socialist policitians.

Interesting

I need to check out more about Chavez before judging him good or bad, but these posts make for an interesting read!

"Live for nothing, or Die for something" ~ Rambo

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:22)

The real point is

I personally know very little about what Chavez is doing or not doing. What I do know is, he doesn't allow pro banker propaganda, he was voted in by his people and he lives in a different country from this one.

So, in general, I support leaving the guy alone. I do not intend this as a statement of support of his politics or policies, because it is not. It is just a general assertion that it's none of my business and I think OUR government needs to stop their meddling in everyone else's affairs. Sanctions or attacks of Venezuela will not benefit American sovereigns.

And if it does not benefit sovereigns, it should not be done

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

I agree

"Live for nothing, or Die for something" ~ Rambo

"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" (Romans 1:22)

Let's get to the point here

What Chavez does with his oil or any other oil in Venezuela is none of our damn business. If people disagree with his policy, they don't have to buy his oil or accept it for free. This is truth. There is no need to debate what Chavez is doing. The people of his country chose him to run it, and they are responsible for what he does, not us, not anyone else. If Venezuelans hated Chavez and what he stood for, they would throw him out on his ass. Fortunately for them, they don't have a propaganda machine paid by bankers ramming groupthink down their throats.

Chavez will not allow a central bank in his country. Remember what happened to the US in 1812 because of this? Remember the struggles of Andrew Jackson? If not, you'd better go bone up. The bankers are out to get anyone who won't let them play in their yard, and they have the money and 'friends' to back it up.

I would say that the whole uproar over Chavez has less to do with oil and social policies than it does with the bankers. I could be wrong but I don't think I am.

I, for one, will leave Hugo Chavez alone.

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

Learn more about Chavez

The Revolution will not be televised. Excellent documentary shows how brave this guy really is.

http://www.freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=97

I like this thread

I watched a documentary on Chavez too.(probably same one) I mentioned it to my sister and her husband and they got all ticked off. Said he was nuts and they had no respect for me if I thought anything of him. Wo! I did'nt know much about him, Just was looking into Venezuela and ran across the documentary. It was like watching a movie. I found him to be a very kind and caring man who cared deeply for his people as they did him. Quite a story.

Individuals working collectively, isn't a problem.

Why is working collectively considered bad, many Amish groups work collectively on individually owned land within their communities, they seem to survive well, and in reality isn't the word Corporation just a fancy name for community collectivism, with investors, management and labor working collectively, especially if there is profit sharing for employees, the problem is they use the government to protect their community by not allowing individuals the ability to compete with them. I agree the best way would be for only individuals to own property, since it establishes rights for an individual. Since how can a person have rights unless they are capable of surviving independently from a government or another individual. This only gets complicated when an individual needs laborers, to produce on their property, for why would I work for another individual if I can just as well work on my property or have the right to work collectively with other individual property owner. It seems that Americans (not to include Native American Indians of course) fought for their freedom from a King, (who pretty much owned everything or gave title to only a few), only to replace the King with a President and government that over the years can now tax everything including individual income thereby owning everything.
grant

Did he specify black people or poor people?

Or is that the main stream media trying to inject race?

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What he is doing is racist.

What he is doing is racist. Imagine if someone did the same thing except it was for white people. Yeah thats what I thought....

Ron Paul 2012

Hugo Chavez isn't the answer, but better than no action.

The way I understand our Constitution, it was written to set up a government and to protect the rights of the people, not Corporations, this only happened years after the Constitution was written and laws were instituted by past governments. As for Hugo Chavez and the constitution of his country, I have no idea. I understand that Hugo Chavez has kicked out corporations from his country, on one hand I would think this is not fair, but I don't know how their countries constitution works, if it allows him to do so, then he is not breaking the law of their country. He may be breaking the laws of God, but those obviously are not what they or we are following. Now in his country, do mineral rights belong to the State or to individuals? As we know in this country we should have mineral rights, but most people don't since many times they belong to the State, and even if you do have mineral rights, you cannot exercise them today without getting a permit from the government and paying taxes on what we produce. So being critical of Hugo Chavez is pointless, since we can't lead by example on this question in our own country.
Individuals working collectively is not the problem.
A State that owns everything or a State that can tax everything including your income, is the problem.
grant

some corporations deserve to be kicked out--that's the market

i have heard that some of the corporations he has kicked out are huge multi-national corporations that won't respect their nation's sovereignty.

you all know the issues with the wto, nafta, etc...

i've been following this since the 90's. huge multi-national corporations (not just american ones --british, dutch) think they can do whatever they want----and that they can do anything they want because they are going to deliver to the world -- gas, oil, diamonds, etc... their behavior has gone beyond good competition/business capitalists -- to outright criminal -- ie: murders.

many countries dislike americans -- because the only americans they are exposed to are the corporate representatives.

behavior that is considered criminal in first world countries should also be considered criminal in third world countries... did that make sense??

some of the behavior of multi-national corporations abroad would be deemed criminal if that behavior occured in a first world nation... but it is criminal behavior in a third world nation... who cares.. and if someone cares..what are they going to do about it?

when ron paul says the military should pull out everywhere -- i agree but the problem is even bigger than that.

there are some multi-national corporations that have done more harm to a third world nation than a military base and thus breeding the hatred of america.

i think corporations are ambassadors of a nation and should be held accountable from their home nation because most third world nations aren't in a position to undertake investigations, hear it in court, etc... (though...sadly lol -- not much better here, it feels like) however -- how on earth would that happen??!

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whats his e-mail

I'd like to tell him I don't like Bush's and federal govenment policies either.

Hugo Chavez puzzles my paradigm

We know corporations, especially huge corporations, tend towards corruption by colluding with government and not necessarily the government where they have their sites. Hugo Chavez kicks out all the corporations and distributes the wealth to the people and allows the people to govern their resources locally.

I know in an idyllic government without corruption a free economy would bring prosperity to the people. However, when the corporations and governments aren't held accountable by the law of the land how can we ever have a free market?

I admire Hugo Chavez for allowing the people to govern their resources locally. I don't believe that method is necessary in the U.S., but in 3rd world countries it might be the only way for the people to have a chance for the pursuit of happiness.

Poppycock

Look at the example of Chile. It has the most capitalistic economy in Latin America and therefore the most prosperous. A 3rd world country cannot get out of 3rd world status if it's socialist. Capitalism is the way out of 3rd world status.

Socialism is not the right word for Chavez

Socialism gives the state all the rights of the land, whereas Chavez is giving the rights to the land to small communities to govern as they see fit. These small communities govern their land, not the monolithic state.

Chile has a very troubled past, with CIA inspired coups and a history of socialism as well as a very recent Military dictatorship. 18 years of capitalism without a military coup does not mean its a success.

i agree ... but i don't know the correct word either.

he is very in favor of nation rights over the rights of a multi-national corporation.

the multi-national OIL companies often want a NATION to give up rights/law just so they can do business.

on this matter chavez is defending his nation's sovereignty.

how can america (esp. us/ron paul) want/demand freedom from international organizations and not allow other countries the same??

Community ownership of the means of production

is socialism too. Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production. If an individual and/or a group of individuals (without being a whole community) is not allowed to own the means of production, that's not a free society in the sense of individual freedom. It's a collectivist society, and cannot prosper.

Might also want to look at

Might also want to look at the Chicago School and what it caused there.