Should the R3VOLUTION support Bob Barr? Only calm, rational, well thought out replies please.
Im notta damn troll, check my bio. Remember the April 1st money bomb that raised $15,000... that was me. Ive known and been a fan of Ron Paul for 5 yrs. Im active duty Navy and donated 2 paychecks worth to the campaign.
The simplest way I think we can decide whether to support barr or not is to list out his pros and cons.
PROS:
-He left the Republican party a few yrs ago, which is a good thing.
-He has been an out spoken critic of the administration for a long time, which is a good thing.
-He is running as an alternate to the Rep-Demo party. I for one have voted mostly republican for the past 12 yrs, and I am sick of them and agree with Ventura when he says that we should vote 3rd party as often as possible.
-We all saw him introduce Ron Paul at the CPAC convention. he said that Ron was a great influence to him, and that he sought Ron's approval and guidence on several issues.
CONS:
-He voted for the war
-He voted for the patriot act.
-I do not know where he stands on these issues now.
-I do not know where he stands on other key issues, such as illegal immigration, getting rid of the Fed, getting rid of the IRS, making government smaller, pulling our troops out of the 160 bases world wide, and most of the other issues that I agree with Ron on.
if anyone can add to these lists please do. If anyone can clarify these lists, please do. If anyone can comment intelligently on these lists, please do.
Please do not comment if your intent is to disrupt or to cast insults or in any way obstruct THIS patriots and other RP and DP supporters opportunity to learn about the Libertarian candidate.
Mathematically Perfected Economy™ (again)
NONE of the candidates can guarantee you anything better than a deck chair on the Titanic until one of them adopts mathematically perfected economy as a monetary reform platform.
Bob Barr doesn't have half the shot that Ron Paul would *IF* Ron would consider/disprove MPE.
As for me, I'm ready to throw my weight behind Ron *IF*... *AND ONLY IF.*
OTHERWISE, there isn't even a good enough reason to get out of bed in November. Seriously.
http://perfecteconomy.com/index.html
Regards,
mike montagne -- founder of PEOPLE For Mathematically Perfected Economy, and author of mathematically perfected economy (1979)
Regards,
mike montagne -- founder of PEOPLE For Mathematically Perfected Economy, and author of mathematically perfected economy (1979)
http://www.perfecteconomy.com/
No to Barr. No to Baldwin.
Vote absentee and write-in Ron Paul.
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Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
Another angle?
I don't think I've seen this one...
I'm in the wait till after the convention camp, but.
Can we use Bob Barr to put pressure on the Republicans?
In the lead up to the convention we can pump up the "polls" and other indications for Bob Barr, while still supporting Ron Paul.
If they think they will lose all our votes to him, maybe they will give Ron Paul a little more consideration to win us back? Or will they be glad to be rid of us??
I thought about your headline
(as you asked for)...
My take on it all is: You need a leader who supports YOU!!
Don't be side tracked by the different guys who see like minded people
who all want Ron Paul's message, and try to tune in , causing friction amongst supporters of the main message: Freedom!
Too much is looked up to possible new leaders.
We have GOT one - and the best one- with the integrity, wisdom, courage, knowledge needed.. RON PAUL!
Now stop looking for new bosses... band together, don't hang off their lips to take action . You are the boss! You know what needs to be done! Ron Paul is guiding us.
(I think I just called for a revolution)
ABSOLUTELY NOT
He voted and supported the ANTI-CONSTITUTION Patriot Act. And will no doubt support Patriot Act II which makes us virtually slaves to the State.
Do your research!! It's a facetious question you ask of us....
"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."
Well, Gee, At Least He Apologized
He actually thought it was a resolution wishing someone in his district a happy 100th birthday, but simply got confused and forgot to actually read the bill. . . . D'oh!
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
I suppose you will accept Bush's apology for the War too?
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"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."
Yes
As long as he's sincere.
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
No we should not suport
No we should not suport Barr, if not Ron Paul then Chuck Baldwin. He suports Ron Paul and shares almost all of his views.
And please watch this
And please watch this excerpt where Chuck talks about the New World Order, Ron Paul, and the war on terror:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhaOVk31boE&feature=related
Chuck is the real thing, not a fake.
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This excerpt from his
This excerpt from his acceptance speech may also help people reading all this Barr SPAM to make up their minds about Baldwin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sz01XtZnTo&feature=related
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Chuck also endorsed Ron Paul
Chuck also endorsed Ron Paul last year, again on video in January, and he praised him at length in his acceptance speech.
Watch this brief 30-second video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkc4xF_QSMk&feature=related
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The best thing to come out of all of this
Barr, blah, blah, blah is it brings all of the people who were just pretending to be his supporters out into the light. Now, we are hearing it is Barr can help "spread the message of liberty". Where is the mention of the Constitution, Repealing the Patriot Act, NAFA, ending of the wars, personal liberties, ablolishing the FEDS, and the IRS. I guess everyone has their own idea of liberty, but mine is aligned with Ron Pauls period. So it looks like we know where everyone stands now. Your candidate could probably use some help with his campaign instead of you guys trying to fish over here and taking over this site, as well as bringing down thread after thread if it something you don't want to hear. That is about as calm as I intend to get about it. Ron Paul plans on going all of the way and you know it or watch his new video promoting his book on this site. Ron Paul is not going third party and you know it; he has said it over and over. Ron Paul is not going to endorse another candidate and you know it, Ron Paul is the only candidate who is willing to make drastic changes and you know it, Ron Paul is the only candidate with a message of real liberties and freedom and you know it, Ron Paul is not anything like Barr and you know it and Ron Paul is the only one who has the track record of practicing what he preachs and you know it, and Ron Paul is the only one talking about a REAL Revolution not some watered down version where a couple of unimportant government offices are going to be done away with and you know it.
No departments are going away
No governmental departments are going away.
Ron Paul is not going to win.
Bob Barr is not going to win.
That's not what this is about.
Some day, in the future, politicians with Ron Paul's platform, or something close, might start winning. The question: who do we support in this election in order to bring that day closer to us?
Do you really think writing in Ron Paul will be more effective at achieving that than supporting Bob Barr?
Barr was relatively well known and popular within the GOP - moreso than Ron Paul - and left the party, disgusted. That has to count for something. And if a guy like that gets a significant number of votes, then that paves the way for more libertarian candidates in the future.
Don't you get it?
"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."
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Votes for Barr will punnish
Votes for Barr will punnish the McCain party RINOS....and it will pave the way for more Conservative candidates in the future.
For us who love the libertarian part of the Revolution and the libertarian part in Ron Paul, it does not help to see Barr twist out of his campaign true libertarian veiw points.
Where is the ABOLISH the income tax via the 16th Amendment?
Where is the 100% change in Foreign Policy and out of Iraq now?
Where is the 100% respect for Individual Rights to Life, Liberty & Property?
Where is he on legalization? Of all Drugs, of Prostitution, of Gay Marriage? Does he suddenly "get it"? At 55 plus, few ever have such an amazing change of political mind. Is he remorseful for the Patriot Act, the Defense of Marriage Act? Is he now against Bill Clintons Don't Ask Don't Tell policy? Come on, Barr is a traditional conservative who got jilted by the NeoCons and Rhinos when he was not awarded top slots after his Patriot Act & Defense of Marriage Act dances for the GOP.
For those of us who worked so very hard last year, where was Bob Barr during the 2007 Ron Paul Revolution? Did he stump for us last year or did he plot his way into the LP?
Barr will do nothing for us in the Revolution. Indeed, he will be on the Colbert Report and I expect that we libertarians will have to do damage control and distance ourselves from our own Candidate.
Those of us in the Revolution should hold out for a big McCain gaff
Ron Paul / Jesse Ventura 2008
Oh I get it all right
Loud and clear and I know exactly where you are coming from. Now the question I have for you is you were a very busy camper here not too far back censoring what should be talked about so as to not hurt Ron Pauls campaign. You do remember don't you as the rest of us will. Now several weeks later RP does not have a chance of winning. Ummmm very interesting.
You mean Minarchist the censor?
I remember.
And all the flaging has to stop... I wish that feature was just removed.
Treg
Yep, one and the same
The censor was so very concerned about us "hurting Ron Pauls campaign" but that strikes me just a little odd as it seems he had no chance of winning according to this person. It looks like this site has been infiltrated with a group of people for quite awhile that are up to no good.
We should support the
We should support the candidate most likely to bring about a reduction in size and intrusiveness of government. Obviously, as long as Ron Paul is a possible contender, the others aren’t even in the runnings.
If he’s no longer running, we should definitely support Barr’s efforts to poll high enough to be in the debates. Having him in the debates at the very least forces the two majors to answer to some issues important to the revolution, and puts those issues on the radar screen of millions of tv addicted sheeple. This cannot be anything but positive.
As for vote time, the most (only) important thing is to rack up as many votes for candidates further on the side of limited government than McCain as possible. If you are sure your write in vote for Paul will be counted (and REPORTED), by all means vote for him. If not, please vote for Barr or Baldwin. The only way the GOP will stop marginalizing us, is if we demonstrate clearly, through large turnouts for limiteder government candidates, that a smaller government platform is the only way they will ever again see power.
Championing a neocon platform has been good to the GOP for the past two elections, so they haven’t yet had any reason to change that. If we sit home, or write in non running candidates that won’t be reported, or (heaven help us) vote for a socialist, the GOP will rationally think the reason they lost is they aren’t more like the even bigger government democrats. It is our duty as champions of limited government of enumerated powers to do all we can to rid them of that misconception.
Well, Stat
I guess we have a lot of unanswered questions about Barr and it is still a looooooooooooog way until the elections. Since everyone here is a Ron Paul supporter I am quite content to wait. It will drive the opposition crazy not knowing what we are going to do. In some way that just gives me such a sense of satisfaction. Ahhhh, can you hear them getting all hot and bothered. I think it is a Kodak moment. lol,lol Besides, there is a possibility that there won't even be an election if that is the case well, what are we racing in circles for? Peace
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NO
Write-in RON PAUL
Don't lose sight of the mission at hand.
Wasted vote
It won't be counted.
Paul is not going to file as a write-in candidate.
I'll count it and thank him for it.
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absolutely
we'll keep electing media darlings as long as we repeat the cycle. Vote your conscience no matter what.
Duhhhhh - NO!
What a dumb question. Research should tell you why.
Wait for Dr. Paul.
He is the leader of this Revolution, if gives Barr his full endorsement then I will vote for him. If not, I will vote for whomever he does give his endorsement. If their is no endorsement I will have a hard time voting for Barr, although I will vote Libertarian on all other choices.
Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both
Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both
NOOOOOO
That's A BIG NOOOOOOO. NO means NO.
If not Barr, then who?
The question should not be Barr, yes or no.
The question should be Barr or Obama? Barr or McCain?
And yes, Barr or write in Ron Paul.
What's the point of writing in Ron Paul? Say he even gets 100,000 writein votes. Will they even be counted and tallied? Will anyone notice? Will it mean anything? Will it do anything in terms of spreading the message of liberty? Why be part of that?
On the other hand, Bob Barr at this point has the chance of getting over 1% of the vote. Maybe. If he does get 1, 2 or 3%, that should get some attention. If he gets 4 or 5%, it would be huge. Don't you want to be part of that? People will talk about him and the libertarian message, and how that got whatever votes he got. That way, the next time any other candidate runs on the platform of liberty, he or she might get that much more attention.
This is a r3volution, folks. One battle at a time. We need to maximize the win for liberty at this one, and if it's not going to be supporting Barr to accomplish that, then who?
"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."
Advocating for minarchical libertarianism since 1984...
"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."
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No
Why on earth would I want to be part of Barr getting 3% anymore than I'd want to be part of McHillabama getting elected? What does that accomplish? If you're going to have an ineffective third party candidate, at least have one that echos what you believe in. Barr a) can't win; and b) doesn't support Ron Paul's ideas (i.e., abolishing the Fed; ending foreign intervention; eliminating the drug war, etc., etc.). He won't communicate the Ron Paul Revolution's message, and thus has no practical value.
Everyone has a theory on which evil is "lesser" to vote for, and that's fine. But why even make that into an issue?
It's too silly to even spend time discussing. Vote for Barr if you want. Others will vote for Obama, Baldwin, and some even McCain. some will write in Ron Paul. But it's really beside the point.
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
A vote for Barr is a vote for Liberty
The one and only reason to vote for Barr over Mchillabama is that Barr is on the LIBERTarIan ticket, period. The vote is not for Barr, but for LIBERTY. That's what the R3VOLUTION is ultimately about, is it not?
Voting for Mchillabama does not aid the R3VOLUTION at all. I hope you can see that.
"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."
Advocating for minarchical libertarianism since 1984...
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