Are there enough delegates to nominate RP from the floor at the RNC?

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What will it take? If he's not able to get on the ballot, what then? Does anyone know if the campaign is readying a 'write-in' vote surge? I saw that Hillary is already moving in that direction now that it seems she may not be the top dog in the Dem's camp.

Where do we take it from here?

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Ron Paul for Vice President

As it stands right now, we don't have the delegates to get past a first ballot, unless something miraculous happens.

John McCain needs 1191 bound or pledged delegates to win the GOP presidential nomination at the Republican National Convention in September. As a result of the past week's GOP primaries, according to the most accurate record of how delegates are assigned at http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/R-PU.phtml , McCain now has 1273 bound or pledged delegates voting for him. (While it is true that McCain's "hard count" of pledged delegates, "the preference as originally assigned," [http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/R-HS.phtml ], is still only 1010, leaving an additional 181 "hard" bound delegates to go, the "soft count" is most reliable for our purposes.)

However, we DO have the delegates to possibly get past a first ballot -- and maybe even WIN -- if we nominate him for VICE President.

The presidential nominee and the vice presidential nominee are NOT voted on together, and delegates are NOT bound to vote for the VP choice of the presidential candidate they may otherwise be bound to support. RNC rules say that the vice presidential nominee is voted on in the same manner as the presidential nominee (but in a separate vote). The rules state that if a majority of the delegations from as few as five states support another vice-presidential candidate, they can force a floor vote on that alternative (see Rule No. 40b at http://www.gop.com/About/Rules31-41.htm ). So, should McCain win the nomination and fail to pick Ron Paul as his running mate; and should the majority of at least five state delegations force a floor vote on Ron Paul for VP; and should Ron Paul then receive a majority of total delegate votes...

Ron Paul can WIN the VP nomination.

Is Ron Paul better off staying in Congress? Let's see... vote after vote of 434-to-1... or President of the Senate, with a bully pulpit, franking privileges, and the tie-breaking vote? Imagine it: Ron Paul playing the same influential role as Dick Cheney has, but in an honest, Constitutional way.

We need to get every single Ron Paul delegate -- no matter who they're pledged to support for president -- up there to St. Paul, and NOT just for the presidential nominating process. If you can help out, please click below. Thanks.

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Bill Greene, founder
Delegates for Ron Paul
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Bill Greene, Chairman
Delegates for Ron Paul for Vice President
http://www.DelegatesForRonPaul.com/

I'd like to see Ventura run

I'd like to see Ventura run with Gary Johnson or Barry Goldwater Jr. on an Independent ticket. And Dr. Paul would endorse it.

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now THERES a fantasy. Ron Paul wants to restore the party to what it was. Kinda hard to do that from a 3rd party. People dont realise how much he'd (we'd)lose by dumping the party altogether. He's got a pretty loud voice atm- and as long as hes in there we can Ron Paul up the planks so much that actual change is inevitable. A 12% 3rd party vote would make as much noise as our first moneybomb- then he'd be down amongst the ghosts. A memory..with no seat in congress.

Third party run is NOT POSSIBLE.

Has been explained on this forum a dozen times. AND, Ron Paul said he would not run third party.

There is nothing to prevent Jesse Ventura...

from running as an Independent and selecting Ron Paul as his VP.

Yes there is. Ron himself.

Yes there is. Ron himself. Get it out of your noggin, Felix. NO INDEPENDENT RUN, NO THIRD PARTY RUN SAYS RON PAUL. How could it possibly be clearer?

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As sad as it makes me,

Ron has indeed outright said "NO." when asked if he would be a candidate in the general election.

It gets absolutely no clearer than that. He could change his mind, I suppose. Some people (including Howard Phillips and Chuck Baldwin) tried to convince him to run with the Constitution Party in 2004. I hear it took some real persuading to get him to run this year. So anything is possible. But barring a miracle, he has already said "No."

RP2012!

You sound like Faux News. It's politics.

Like telling a joke.
Need to get the timing right.
Who knows?
Don't guess, or conclude.
I know people who swore they would never hurt a fly until someone got in their face.
You can't predict 100% anything.
Tomorrow a solar flare could wipe out all life on earth.
The Sun would just excuse it's belch and keep going.
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We do what we have always known we would have to do..

3rd party run.

Jesse Ventura and Ron Paul together on a ticket would wake up more sheeple than you could ever imagine.

There would be more news coverage than you could shake a stick at.

Think about it.

They could win, and at the very least, Ron Paul's philosophy would be broadcast far and wide with the help of Jesse Ventura.

I only know the delegate count in my state.

4 delegates and 6 alternates from Washington state.

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"We will never give up. We will never give in." - Dr. Ron Paul

about half the states

have a sore loser law, if you lose the primary you can't be a write in canidate. Personally I think that law needs to be abolished. As citzens, we have the right to vote for we want.

So???

Does anyone know? How many delegates/states does RP need to be nominated?

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

He needs a majority of delegates from five states

to get his hat in the ring as a candidate for nomination.

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5 states

5 states have to have a majority of Ron Paul delegates to nominate from the floor.

Right now we have:

Alaska
Nevada
Montana

Might have Utah
Might have Pennsylvannia
Might have Texas

NOT a majority of PLEDGED delegates

The rules state that if a majority of the delegations from as few as five states support a candidate for either president OR vice president, they can force a floor vote on that alternative (see Rule No. 40b at http://www.gop.com/About/Rules31-41.htm )

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Bill Greene, founder
Delegates for Ron Paul
http://www.DelegatesForRonPaul.com/

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Bill Greene, Chairman
Delegates for Ron Paul for Vice President
http://www.DelegatesForRonPaul.com/

I will assure you

that Alaska does not even meet that criteria. I know who the delegates are, and most of the non-Ron Paul delegates are long-time "party machine" people, who see Ron Paul and his supporters as an irritation.

RP2012!

We have 5 delegates from Alaska, out of 29

How do you get a majority out of that?

I wish it were so, though. But RP supporters got screwed out of our delegates due to the AK GOP chairman not applying the rules correctly. We were entitled to 14 delegates and McCain 12 (plus 3 super delegates, who would have supported McCain, so we still would have been edged out) , but we got 5 instead.

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What we SHOULD do is plead

What we SHOULD do is plead with him to run for President on a Third Party, or as an Independent. If he ran Independent, we would have five months through signatures and Money Bombs to get him on the ballot.

OR we could negotiate with Chuck Baldwin to "move over" and run for office as Ron Paul's VP. Ron Paul could simultaneously run for his congressional seat on whatever ticket we could talk him into running under for President. He could easily win if he did so.

So far as I know, this is all legal. I could be wrong. I'd love to know.

What we probably will do, unfortunately, is listen to GOP-loving fantasists, Bob Barr shills, and other misguided people and let it slip away, and off to Congress he'll go while our movement searches for a new candidate, because if he doesn't run this year he'll never be President.

I still want Ron Paul to run for President in the Fall.

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what we should do is plead...nope!

no, we should not.
he won't do it for one and for two it would jeopardize his congressional seat.
it's a no win situtation.

Ron Paul is My President

Two ways around the congressional seat issue:

One, run for Congress concurrently on another party's ticket. He's already basically unopposed. Well, there is a lame-o so-called libertarian running against him. But in all reality he is unopposed for Congress right now. If he files to run as a Constitution party candidate for Congress, he'd still win, no question.

Second possibility: run for President as a Constitution party candidate in all states BUT Texas. He could then still run for Congress in TX as a Republican. The Constitution Party can have a different candidate in Texas, who'd be endorsed by Ron Paul, and if supported by enough Texans, this candidate's electors would cast their votes for Ron Paul instead. There is nothing in the law, as far as I know, that would make this unfeasible.

(Did you know, that in the olden days, not every Presidential candidate was on the ballot in every state. Also, states all held their Presidential elections on different days, months apart sometimes.)

RP2012!

our sore loser law is a "third party run"

He could do a write in here, but no third party.

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

Pretty Sure

that Chuck Baldwin will step down from running if RP ran on 3rd party
ticket - now, we have heard Dr Paul say that won't happen -
but, listen to Chuck Baldwin's live interview this Thursday 7:30pm
on www.revolutionbroadcasting.com
should be some really good insights!

Um

He has already stated no third party run. Keep living in your fantasy land. Us here in reality will keep fighting the good fight.

He's got no choice...

If the Revolution drafts him.

So ture, I would love for

So ture, I would love for Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin to be on the same ticket.