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MICHAEL NYSTROM, PLEASE READ: Flag deleting can and will kill this site.

Flag deleting can kill this site.

The off-topic stuff, which some people want deleted, is what keeps the site thriving, busy, and healthy.

On the other hand, IveSeentheConst makes a good case for it being an on-topic Ron Paul only site, and if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly, the owner of the site agrees. And what the owner of the site says, goes.

If the owner of the site is reading this post, however, I respectfully call for a change in the rules. Because if all posts that are not directly pertinent to Ron Paul's presidential campaign are deleted, and people enforce this with flagging, people who make thoughtful posts or engage in debates will stop posting, and eventually the only thing you will have here is a dwindling number of one-liner posts and monosyllabic grunts and "attaboy Rons". Hell, even discussion of his book is not directly pertinent to Ron Paul's presidential campaign. What is deemed by some as "off-topic" is the conversational lifeblood of this now-thriving web Forum. It can and will collapse to an un-thriving Forum very quickly, if rule abusers tear it apart.

Flag wars from people with multiple accounts are starting now (see the comments in Treg's thread "List People who FLAG Here: Petition to stop flagging"). Flagging invites abuse from both would-be censors and hotheads who want to teach the censors a lesson. People are now creating multiple screenname accounts, so they can delete any threads they don't like without any other group consensus.

This will get out of control very soon. Consider yourself warned by a true friend of this site.

The flag deletion is getting serious now, so I respectfully request Mr. Nystrom address this issue, please.



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Agreed

Hi there,

I am very, very sorry about all of the deleted posts, and have turned off the flag function. Apparently, the site was attacked, allowing one user to delete a whole bunch of posts. Unfortunately, it looks like they're gone.

I have turned off the flag function completely for now, but this means that there will likely be more crap showing up in the comments, etc.

We'll see how it goes for the time being. As the campaign news slows down, I think that is fine to discuss topics that are not directly relevant to the campaign, as long as it is relevant to the message of freedom and liberty.

I need to devise a long term solution to the problem, but lets see how it goes for now.

My apologies to Treg - I thought the Obama article was good, even though I didn't agree with it all. Still, it did promote a lively discussion, and that is the only way we get to the truth.

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what about bedr1 and BillyDee ?

They need to GO somewhere else with all their Barr for president promotions.

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Thank you for finally clearing this up...

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YAY!!!!Now I can make extra

YAY!!!!

Now I can make extra longwinded posts again!

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Thank you, Michael

And as always, thanks for providing this site.

Transparency is the best disenfectant.

We all have our roles.

If there were a button to "not flag"

it might provide some balance, because right now those who want something to stay have no say at all. Plus, it's downright rude to forcibly stop other people in the midst of their conversations.

At least up the minimum number of flag requests to around 40 or so, to make up for the fact that only the censors have a vote.

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Ditch the flag feature please.

There is a natural way of flagging. It is called not responding. The post will fall to the wayside. If a person keeps bumping their own post that no one chooses to respond to,they will just look like an idiot.
You have lost many of the visitors already.
In the terms of use, Nystrom mentions a search for the truth.
A search for the truth in why things happened,why they're happening,and why they're going to happen.
This site will be EXTREMELY boring if the content is managed by a few feeble minds. Or one feeble mind just because they have been here longer than anyone else.
It is stupid and divisive.
If you don't like it ,don't read it,or respond why you don't like it,or don't respond.

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I have to disagree

Flagging is part of the checks and balancing system that is necessary for keeping the site from getting out of hand. HOWEVER.....

I would like to see some accountability for flagging. If you flag a post all should be able to see who did it.

Fact is this site is really overrun by people trying to subvert us who came here to this site, and will stay, for all the right reasons.

These trolls need to be knocked down and the best way to do this is to make it so that thier names are known to the rest of us if they are flagging post.

It's simple. So very simple.

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Flagging is not a check and

Flagging is not a check and balance. It's an opportunity to shut people up.

It will be abused, and it already has been.

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Kinda like Barr Spamming.

Sometimes you gotta clean out the garbage.

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We still need open debate

We still need open debate though, SPAM and all.

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Please End the Flag Feature

One way you could look at is the natural life of a Thread.

Threads do not last long anyway..... much like a news story, it has its own life and then eventually dies, or may come back to life if and new events arrive.

But having a Thread cut off, killed, murdered, is simply "not what Ron Paul would do".

My thread was about Strategy. As in, "What is the best Strategy to move the Ron Paul R3VOLUTION forward".

That many did not like the suggested answer, should not have resulted in lots of Flagging.

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i also back kevins sentiments on this

Getting out of control...

These flag wars are really getting tiring!

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Ron Paul said that we are ending one phase of the revolution and starting a new pahse. Well I don't think the new phase can continue without being able to talk about what it will be. So this issue needs to be dealt with or this will be the ending of this movement with no new beginning. I don't have problems with the flag feature I have problems with people who use it to gain control (not freedom) of ideas and stear them in a direction that suites their own desire. I don't know who they (most have not been members for that long) are so I question who they are and what are their motives. I think we have GOP shills stiffling the site. If this is not addressed and they are aloud to continue I have no option but to play within the rules that seem to be evolving and use the flagging option to stop the shills. I would rather the shills be singled out and IP banned so the community can get back to sharing thoughts and ideas.

Totally agree

As one who has never flagged and never will, I wholeheartedly agree with Kevin. I was thinking about how I would put into words what Kevin so masterfully did and now I don't need to!

Please heed this Nystrom, it makes perfect sense.

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Thank you. I hope he does

Thank you. I hope he does away with flagging.

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The flag option needs to be

The flag option needs to be removed.

Obviously, the children left on this board do not have the maturity to let others discuss--what they don't agree with.

As far as claiming "not related" to RP---that is highly subjective and is usually done when someone simply wants to control or censor.

Do away with the flag option, because--kids abuse it here--and are not able to 'self-monitor' anything.

I hope he nips it in the

I hope he nips it in the bud, because it'll only take a week or so to turn into a big, fat mess...

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I agree with Kevin

Hope to see flagging removed Michael.
Thanks

I admit.

I throw a bunch of Atta boy Ron Paul one liners as of late. I do it to bump a good thread because it is obvious that others on this site are here to stifle the exchange of ideas are bumping other candidate threads and talking about how we should vote for such and such a candidate or who flagged who threads to cause disruption. It's obvious that certain people have been sent to this site to disrupt flow of ideas. That being said I am here to support Constitutional Freedoms for all of us. I have only one screen name and profile.

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Same here--I have only one

Same here--I have only one screenname, but if flag wars start in earnest, I won't bother participating--I'll just quit posting, shrug, and leave the site.

Which is what most members here will do, in that case.

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Precisely!

I too have only one screen name. Why would I need more? Oh yeah, only one reason: TO BE DECEPTIVE BY BEING ABLE TO MANIPULATE THE BOARDS.

I am convinced the flag wars are being carried out by a small handful of persons each with multiple accounts.

Pathetic, and very junior high schoolish.

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