once you reach your $2300 mark, and still have money left over to give. Can you use someone elses name (with their ok) who would not be able to reach the $2300 mark?
i.e. Mark (who make a hefty salary) is giving a donation in Johns name (who is a student that doesn't work currently) to Ron Paul.
Is that a legal way of donating money once you max out?
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Re; Ties in nicely with jury nullification
This morning there was a good discussion about jury nullification on this board. This ties in nicely, because if I sat on a jury trying to find someone guilty of McCain-Feingold, I'll play the jury nullification card.
Plano TX
Whats the deal ?
with Giuliani donation page ,it has a 4300 box.Is that for couples ?or is he just above the law .
Yes it's illegal.
What you described is explicitly illegal. However, the scenario that you described is all too easy to pull off and is no doubt occurring. Have you heard of dishwashers in Chinatown maxing out contributions to Hillary? Thus we see the short-sightedness of McCain Feingold campaign finance laws. instead of bringing integrity to the process, they turn decent people into crooks and liars, and cloud what would otherwise be a more transparent system. We would be better off letting individuals contribute whatever amount they wanted to, and having more transparency.
The answer to campaign finance is not to limit the individuals, but to limit the government's power, so that individuals don't feel compelled to spend so much money to try and get a piece of the pie. It's not just corrupt individuals that are donating for favors, but good honest individuals that have to fight so hard because government takes so much, and therefore has so much to give, not to whoever earns it, but to whomever they see fit. Dr. Paul made this point very clearly on Leno last night.
Once people start to realize this, Ron Paul looks better and better all the time. Even Kucinich, who rails against corruption and corporatism (and I think he is genuine) is flawed in still wanting the government to do so much for people- The corruption is INHERENT in such a system.
5% of people make things happen
10% of people watch things happen
85% say "What happened?"
Buy something from someone else
I would think that if you buy something from someone else who wants to donate, then it would be there money. You purchased something from them which was perfectly legal to do, and they are free to do whatever they want with that money.
Just be sure to actually buy something from someone, and actually get proof of it if you are ever questioned on it.
Not talking about inflated prices
I'm talking about selling something for its actual value. For instance, I know someone who has already maxed out their donations to the campaign. But it's perfectly legal for me to sell him my rifle for it's real value. What I do with that money, is my choice.
ILLEGAL
I am virtually certain that giving money to someone to donate to the campaign is illegal. I think I remember when I've given having to swear to the fact that no one gave me the money to donate. Here's some good advice. DO NOT GET YOUR LEGAL ADVICE FROM THE NET. The judge will not be impressed.
Definitely not legal. . .
But look on the right of this forum, there are pro-liberty PACs you can donate to.
Agreed, the post practically DEFINES illegal...
Look at the troubles Hillary has with the mystery-Chinatown-donations. Why would anyone except maybe Hillary or one of the other Republicans want this for Dr. Paul??
A much more interesting take on election law comes from (click link, see video clip)
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/10/just-for-laughs...
Steven Colbert's recent foray into Presidential politics. Dr. Paul has talked about the silliness of an artificial distinction between commercial speech and other kinds many times. Now, Steven and Doritos (ah, the fond memories....First munchies-food for me!) are hilariously SHOWING the silliness Dr. Paul told everyone about long-ago. :)
I think this is a great development. It's also part of why we as a campaign should take Steven's South Carolina run VERY seriously -- or at least act like we're taking it seriously -- if only to somehow get Dr. Paul another appearance on Colbert's hilarious show. As we've seen, our man seems to do quite well in a comedy format...Could hosting an episode of SNL be next?? ;)
JMR
PS Libertarian comic and former Presidential candidate (& Ron Paul endorser!) Doug Stanhope is at a place called the Backbooth in Orlando, FL on next Thursday the 8th, and if you're also a fan let's get together and go in RP shirts as a team. His comedy is very funny (but NOT rated "G" at all, so leave the kids at home!). Contact me if interested.
Donate to chip in
There are several worthy meetup groups who have "chip in" boxes on their sites. Some of the things they want to do are very worthwhile. Example: advertising in newspapers, airplane flyover signs, money for literature, signs and bumper stickers etc. In my opinion, giving to meetups in New Hampshire, Nevada, Wyoming, Florida and Ohio would be the most productive since they are the first to host the primaries!
Bingo!!
I stated the same thing below. Why do something shady and risk damaging the campaign with bad press. Donate to a meetup group or just go online and buy a ton of Ron Paul items such as t-shirts, bumper sitckers, bill-boards, or whatever and give it to the meetup group. All this would be 100% legal, and probably more effective.
I take my marching orders from the Constitution!
I thought about this myself
I think all a person would have to do is get the other person willing to donate. You give them your money and then they donate. No difference, but if you were to use your credit card then I think that is a difference story.
Just buy an old shoe.
Just buy an old shoe from the student for $2300 (or whatever). ; )
As long as you classify them
As long as you classify them as vintage who would know the difference, speaking of which I have a pair going for $1800 any takers?
I think it would be legal as
I think it would be legal as long as the student reported the amount donated in his name as income. This idea is not very appealing but the person making the donation could give the person who is putting the donation in their name a higher amount of money so that the person donating it in their name would NET $2300.00. If there was some service performed or if it was a gift, then the transfer of funds to the student would be considered income. As long as it was reported as such, I don't think there would be an issue. Could you do it without all this... yeah.. but you asked if it was legal.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, 1791
I will
Do A portrait of the good Dr. and "sell" it to anyone that wants to buy it and give it to the campaign if anyone wants to do this leave a message here .
What are you thinking???
Of course it is illegal!
Don't stoop to the tricks of the people we are trying to rid our country of!!!
GEEZ!
You want to keep giving...then there are LEGAL ways to participate!
Tolerance is the virtue of the man who no longer has anything to believe in....
Tolerance is the virtue of the man who no longer has anything to believe in....
No. It is not, but ...
You can donate in other ways legally. Purchasing Ron Paul bumper stickers, flyers, bill-boards, t-shirts, etc. then donating to a Ron Paul meetup group is perfectly legal. Or just purchasing these items, then giving them away yourself. Or you could simply just donate cash itself to a RP Meetup group, I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong here).
I take my marching orders from the Constitution!
I doubt it
Then what is to stop billionaires from using thousands of people's names 'with their permission'?
Not legal, but
I don't believe this is legal, from my understanding. You know that Democratic donor, Hsu, was doing something fairly similar, albeit on a million dollar level.
Then again, it's only illegal if the feds know you did it. ;)
why not
Don't see how anyone would ever know the difference. As long as it was consensual and not done without "John's" knowledge.
why not
Maybe a gift to john, and john is persuaded to give a portion (ok, 99% IS a portion) to RP.
article on the subject
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10...
"Although campaign finance laws set a limit of $2,300 per donor per campaign, they do not explicitly bar donors based on age. And young donors abound in the fundraising reports filed by presidential contenders this year."
I pledge, do you?
O Rly?
A supporter of former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney (R), Susan Henken of Dover, Mass., wrote her own $2,300 check, and her 13-year-old son, Samuel, and 15-year-old daughter, Julia, each wrote $2,300 checks, for example. Samuel used money from his bar mitzvah and money he earned "dog sitting," and Julia used babysitting money to make the contributions, their mother said. "My children like to donate to a lot of causes. That's just how it is in my house," Henken said.
Aww, you did such a good job watching Scruffles, what're they paying you kids these days, five, six hundred dollars an hour?