I WILL NEVER SUPPORT THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY OR THE CONSTITUTION PARTY THE POPULIST PARTY OR ANY OTHER THIRD PARTY WHO WAS TOO

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stupid to throw their support behind Ron Paul when his momentum was growing. Now you have all these party's dividing and fragmenting support in every direction. Divided we fall, United we stand.
But just like the Republican or Democrats loyalty to party is paramount no matter what happens to the country and it's constitution.
So screw you third party's. Ron Paul was and is our only chance.
I SAY SUPPORT RON PAUL! DONATE, DO A MONEY BOMB.
GET RON PAUL SIGNS UP EVERYWHERE.
IT THIS THE LAND OF THE FREE HOME OF THE BRAVE?
Why do you let them divide us. Can't we unite behind one man and win this thing?
Bob Barr is a neo con wake up! He is an insider and you fall for this stuff over and over again. Use you heads unite now behind the one man that can win. Then maybe if needed he will run as an independent after St. Paul if he sees that he has the support. But we are dividing our effort and we will fall. So what will it be? Victory....
RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM FREEDOM GO RON PAUL GO RON PAUL....

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This is a post based on ignorance.

The cry is unite, unite, unite! The title is I will never vote for a third party candidate and the body is a dismissal of their efforts and importance. I don't now how a person can walk around with that type of cognitive dissonance.

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both

Well,

both parties - CP and LP - desperately wanted Paul to be neither presidential candidate. Both Barr and Baldwin now close to Dr. Paul. If Dr. Paul is not presidential canidate, he will NOT apply to be a write-in candidate, meaning your write-in would not be allowed os counted in most state. It is useless to do that. Rather vote for either Barr or Baldwin. Sorry that they are divided in two parties, but a "protest" vote is also good and it is a good to have a vote against McCain, so that they know in which direction to move. Vote for Ron Paul candidates and then in the presidential election for either Barr or Baldwin. The LP has a better ballot access, in 48-50 states, while the CP only in 35-40 states.

Right on, Andy...

And also,

eilif is ignorant. The Libertarian Party National Committee voted unanimously to invite Ron Paul to accept our nomination. Ron refused, more than once. Our bylaws prohibit us from nominating someone who declines. Had he stepped up for the nomination he would have gotten it. It would have complicated some things, but we'd have dealt with it.

So that's it. just another uninformed loudmouth making worthless noise.

Allen Hacker
LP Judicial Committee

www.LawfulGov.Org
Your Nexus to the Freedom Movement

www.LawfulGov.Org
Your Nexus to the Freedom Movement

We were there

I was out on the street corners on a regular basis. I gave money to just about every money bomb spending much, much more money than even on my own campaign. My wife and I still have our Ron Paul bumper stickers on our cars refusing to ever give in.

I have asked for some support from Ron Paul supporters. I have not asked for money because I know everyone is tapped out from giving to Ron Paul. But do you think I have received any support. Nobody has even offered to let me use their name as an endorser much less offer to right a letter to the editor to discuss my Social Security privatization key issue.

So, don't rip on Libertarians. We are the ones who are out there in force willing to join in and help any advocate for freedom to carry the torch.

It is the Republicans who are so dedicated to "party" that will not consider even a modicum of support to another party's candidate.

Andy Favor
California 73rd Assemlby District Candidate
www.AndyFavor.com

Yours is an inspirational

Yours is an inspirational story, Andy. You deserve nothing less than our thanks!

..................
"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic..." —Alan Moore

I like Chuck Baldwin...

I trust Chuck Baldwin more than I can trust Bob Barr. But I haven't given up on something dramatic happening where McCain is unable to be nominated in September, and the Republicans nominating the only Republican who can win, in a desperate attempt to keep power. That Republican is Ron Paul. (And yeah, they would need to go to someone with a "suspended campaign", or even no campaign at all, once McCain "steps down".)

I would love to see a debate of Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, and Ron Paul vs. Obama (and Nader, and Bloomberg if they like.) Obama would get his pretty little head handed to him on a platter. (figuratively speaking of course.)

In the end, I would expect to hear Chuck Baldwin (and probably Bob Barr) implicitly tell people to vote for Ron Paul, at least in the states where it matters.

sKw

So?

Your one vote is not going to make a difference one way or the other.

By the way, Barr was supporting Dr. Paul before Barr started running. And Dr. Paul speaks highly of him. Says he carries the same message and hopes his campaign is successful.

EILIF

I stand by you fellow patriot. Hold the line in the wave of the splinter groups. They will pick off those of weak resolve. NO THIRD PARTY EVER. I will go not as a slave to a neo-conned party but as a free man with my liberties still in hand as the final blows are struck by the waves of the mob A.K.A. "The Third Party Coalition."

Hey self

Good job in standing by Ron Paul.

I'm one of these people who in addition

to Ron Paul ALSO supports Bob Barr.

And I've been here in the Revolution from the start.

Why is there such a pervasive mindset that somehow those who support Barr or Baldwin or McKinney are somehow newbies and never supported Paul?

Why does this group of naysayers want to make this all about one man, thus dooming the movement to die if he fails to obtain the nomination?

LISTEN to Dr. Paul - it's not about him - it's about the MESSAGE.

The message isn't Ron Paul, the message is FREEDOM.

get it now?

p.s - there were those who said Paul was a neo-con too. Had we listened to them, where would we be now. Do your homework people.

Nobody said Ron Paul was a

Nobody said Ron Paul was a neo-con. Got any quotations to back that up? I've never heard that from ANYONE.

By contrast, I've heard it a lot about Bob Barr. That speaks volumes.

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

sorry, Barr voted FOR the Patriot Act! Dayenu!

And until Ron Paul actually comes out and endorses a candidate, I'll either write him in or vote Constitution Party.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers

There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer

Absentee Ballot is how

I will be voting for Ron Paul as a write-in.

"Freedom is a right that can never be won in war,only by each individual "

Can't do that in my state

So what am I to do?

Stay home?

So I'm not ALLOWED to support another liberty minded candidate if Paul doesn't make the GE ballot?

How absurd.

Divided we fall indeed.

Won't work

He has to declare in your state as a write-in, and he hasn't (and won't). Otherwise that vote will not count.

will work if your trying to

will work if your trying to make a statement with your vote.

"...the most memorable concern of mankind
is the guts it takes to
face the sunlight again."-Charles Bukowski

Your vote will not be

Your vote will not be counted. The statement you will be making will be the equivalent of not voting at all. Might as well stay home election day.

Bigotry vs. Individualism

Some posters here are making the mistake in logic of confusing individuals with the groups they belong to ("bigotry").

For example, the assumption that the Libertarian Party did not support Ron Paul is used to critique all the members.

The LP did support Ron Paul; you may have missed it because the press didn't cover it. Not only did the LP issue press releases about Ron Paul's candidacy, but its executive board invited Ron Paul to run on our ticket. What else can they do? Does it occur to anyone that an outright endorsement by the LP for Ron Paul (were it not made impossible by party by-laws) might have done more harm than good? How many GOP voters would have taken the LP's endorsement as a reason they should choose Ron Paul?

Surely no one expects the LP to disband and suggest all the members join the GOP. That would make the enemies of liberty very happy, but it wouldn't solve our political problem.

What about all their other candidates? When the dominant parties consistently nominate freedom-robbers, the LP is there nationwide to make sure freedom-defenders are on the ballot. Shutting down and joining the GOP would be suicide for the freedom movement's biggest advocate.

The members themselves are the very backbone of this movement to elect Ron Paul and promote his ideas. We aren't limited by the same restrictions the Libertarian Party, itself, faces, so we have been more active and outspoken as indivdiuals.

I first heard about Ron Paul when he spoke at the California LP state convention a few years ago. LP members are the core of his national support. I even registered Republican in order to vote for him in the primary and walked two precincts talking to Republicans.

The man who created and started the "R3VOLution" logo sign campaign was one of our candidates for chair of the LP. At our convention, many members sported Ron Paul gear. At the California state convention, the parking lot was full of Ron Paul stickered cars. Ron Paul support was everywhere.

You can't say the LP members have not gotten behind Ron Paul. They have, and earlier than most, they started in 1988. I think it's safe to say that Ron Paul would not have had this successful campaign if he had not first been nominated by the LP in 1988. That campaign is the foundation for this one.

In short, posters here are both overestimating and underestimating what the LP as a party can do. It is not powerful enough to even get its candidates into the debates and critics want it to throw its support to Ron Paul in the GOP. It is dedicated to local, state and national political change, and critics want it to disband in order to join the GOP for one single presidential race.

The Libertarian Party is "the party of principle." We are here for the long haul. We will not quit. We serve to get the issues out. If the LP weren't here and you are shut out of the GOP, you'd have to threaten to join the Democrats. If you're unhappy with the Democrats, you'd have to threaten to join the Republicans. The party you left would get the wrong message about what it is you want.

The LP serves a very important function. Support for the LP is always support for freedom. No other party can say that.

There is no need to insult your fellow Ron Paul supporters by blaming those of us in the LP for a failure that more properly lies with some of those in the GOP. The LP isn't the party that is lying, cheating and stealing votes away from Ron Paul delegates.

I support the freedom-defenders who are willing to work within the GOP and in the Democrat party to bring about change. I'll do what I can to help prod them from the outside.

We should stop trying to pick fights with our allies.

IMissLiberty

IMissLiberty

here here well said

here here well said

"...the most memorable concern of mankind
is the guts it takes to
face the sunlight again."-Charles Bukowski

Well said!

IMissLiberty, you illustrate the best reasoning. Thank you!

It's a shame that other don't get that.

Where Were These People 6 Months Ago?

Where were these people when we were money bombing, and pushing this agenda forward? They were hiding in a corner waiting to see how it would turn out. When Liberty needed American men to stand for her, where were these people? When Ron Paul was fighting for our Constitution in the seemingly weekly Republican debates, where was Bob Barr?

My allegiance is not to a third party, but to liberty, to America and to Ron Paul! I'm not saying I won't vote for them come this fall, but I'm saying that's a long way from now. We have a March in DC on July 12th, and another march into Minneapolis on Sept 1-2. We have our issues, be it the war, the money, the rule of law ... we can only support the man that inspired my pride in being an American, and a free man ... and that man is Ron Paul. Come November, I'm sure my conscience will guide me to make the best choice of the options available to me.

Until then I only have ears and eyes and a mind for the cause of Liberty led by Ron Paul.

These people WERE in the R3VOLution!

I lost count of the LP names on the ticker. Your "agenda" was about trying to fix the dying GOP (ain't gonna happen, folks, the schmucks in charge won't allow it to happen, as I predicted months ago.) Dr. Paul's agenda was about fixing America, Somewhere along the way you made the mistake of conflating the vehicle with the destination (the same mistake the LP makes all the time).

Face it, this phase of the R3VOLution is dead. Time to move on to the next phase, and fixing the GOP isn't it. Time for you to move on to where the LP went in 1971. Whenever you want to catch up to us, we'll be waiting.

"Dr. Paul's agenda was about

"Dr. Paul's agenda was about fixing America"

correction: Dr. Paul's agenda IS about fixing America starting with his own party first.

"...the most memorable concern of mankind
is the guts it takes to
face the sunlight again."-Charles Bukowski

And that's where it fails.

The GOP went beyond repair decades ago with Nixon.

Thank you -

Ron Paul himself has said that the route for a third party candidate is hard, and that he would rather try to bring the Republican party back in line with its principles than try to fight all the obstacles to a third party run.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers

There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer

Kudos...

to JohnFromChicago

Well said

thank you...

Didn't the Libertarians and the Constitutionalists Splinter

Didn't those two parties splinter off of the Republicans because the Republicans didn't live up to their own platform?

This year, when they had Ron Paul, a man who would feel at home in either the Libertarian or Constitution Party, and whom BOTH WANTED TO BE THEIR CANDIDATE, you would think they would have had the good sense to come home and build the momentum of the freedom movement in the Republican Party.

I guess there are some in the leadership of minor parties who would rather be a big fish in a small pond than work for real reform in a major party.

I think I'll start my own party. Then I can be the boss.

Too bad.

Thank god for freedom loving Amercans

Thanks