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Is Ron going to support Kucinich's new Impeachment Bill?
Submitted by atrickpay on Mon, 06/09/2008 - 22:09
He failed on the last one...let's encourage him very strongly to support this one. » |
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I would love to see Ron Paul support it.
But he probably won't because it's so late in the game.
I think the president and his administration should be removed from power stat before they get us into Iran.
Everyday they are in office the American Dream dies a little more---they are disgusting and should all be hung like saddam was.
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hmm
I wonder how many months such a process will take also. Also, the aim should not be for Bush-Cheney & CO to simply be forced to leave office a few weeks or months before end in disgrace, but rather to take up legal issue against them the day after they leave office and make them pay, in prison etc. This will send a much stronger message than an impeachment in any case!
Also: I am thinking strategically, say Bush-CHeney can be impeached before the election, if preventing war with Iran is the waim, remember they can still attack Iran in the many months the process is in order and/or the persons who come in their place, Rice, McCain etc. can just as well attack Iran. In actualy fact McCain is much more of a warmonger and extremely hawkish than Bush, also think about his emotional instability and anger. And Obama also included (implicitly) war against Iran at AIPAC : see Justin Raimundo's article at antiwar.com Obama will just be a puppet. Raimundo acknowledged he was wrong about Obama.
He shouldn't
It should have been done 7 years ago.
Pelosi is a fool for taking it off the table, though, because it would tie the administration up in knots and prevent war with Iran.
The best approach is the one Bugliosi has come up with in his new book.
The day they leave office, D.A.s nationwide where the dead troops used to live indict the whole cabal for murder 1, issue the arrest warrants, and then haul them off in cuffs.
Thaty and one of these days the county sherriffs will stand up to the Feds in their counties and throw them in jail as well...
The MSM
also had a lot to do with promoting the war and it really started with Clinton already. Bob Barr - who was a federal prosecutor - has said there are even more reasons to impeach Bush than Clinton, but he is not going to make that an issue in his campaign (very wisely IMHO). If an ample amount of Democrats decide to impeach both Bush and Cheney (it cannot be only Bush alone), then Paul could vote for it.
In any case there will be a hearing with Scott McClellan and this should already support Dr. Paul's position. Dr. Paul is and was and will never be a one issue politician, in this way (one issue), you isolate yourself and easier to paint as a "fringe" candidate. We do not want that with Dr. Paul. If it is only Kucinich and a few Democrats and Dr. Paul that vote for impeachment, it will not go through, no success and then Dr. Paul and Kucinich will stay isolated. The initiative and voting power must come from the Democrats, before Dr. Paul votes yes on this.
He can only support it if there is absolute certainty that the process will go in earnestness, must be successful and effective. As someone noted, the money issue is also important: Dr. Paul is a fiscal conservative par excellence: they may accuse him of being untrue, as what does it help the voter if they have to waste more taxplayer dollars simply to get Bush-Cheney retire a few months earlier? And who will become interim president then? McCain? It is better with solid evidence to wait after Bush-Cheney have served and then go against them, the aim is not to get them out of politics (which an impeachment does), but for them to pay, and this can be best done with a legal process after they are out of power. Vincent Bigliosi want to try them for murder! Let these lawyers take care of it....better than politicians (alas, a very libertarian idea...the politicians screw up and waste money!).
Nope
although there are ample reason to impeach Bush, it would be a costly and lengthy process and he only has a few months to go. Also: if he is impeached, the actual "devil" Dick Cheney will become president! So you have to impeach them both, Cheney was especially responsible. And if both are impeached, there would be a real crisis with no leader, how do you select a leader then? Plus many Democrats would not join in the impeachment now, so it would be politically imprudent for Paul to alienate him from Republicans he want to reach out. he has critisized Bush and Cheney the most already.
After Bush/Cheney's term end, there may be legal grounds to sue them and without diplomatic immunity then, it will be easier and if a case is then made succesfully, it will strenghten Paul in congress tremendously among the Republicans and they can rally around him as a new hero.
In the UK, the Conservative Party, who was in opposition during the war, was even more in favor of the Iraq war, than Blair's Labour, but recently they have reversed their position entirely and they criticise Labour now on the war and Boris Johnson, the conservative-libertarian who is strongly anti-war and Bush now (he reads Lew Rockwell dot com) beat the anti-war very leftwing socialist mayor in London.
The same can happen with the GOP, so where they are now the "war party", they will return to their roots, as being the "peace party". In politics a lot can happen very quickly...
As much as I need to see the whole lot of them perp walked
in cuffs out of the whitehouse, your scenario is probably closest. Maybe Bush & co are of the impression that theyll be able to walk away and people will eventually let it go. I really dont see that happening. It may be years- but I think that eventually there WILL be a day of reckoning. Regardless, there ARE articles of impeachment to be signed NOW. If Ron Paul does not sign them in order to position himself strategically, whatever he's positioning himself for is ill-gotten gain at that point as far as Im concerned.
Well,
yes, one has to see about all the evidence. The issue is that it is quite complex and the involvement spands much wider than Cheney, Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld and a few other politicians: the neocon idealogues like William Kristol, David (axis of evil) Frum, Douglas Feith etc. Dr. Karen Kwiatkowski knows quite a lot about it. She worked for Feith, a GOP senator even tried to connect her to Larouche after her critical remarks. Cheney, not Bush, was the ultimate decider and influence. IMHO is/was Bush stupid and dumm and inexperienced and asked Cheney's advice with many things, and Cheney had a far stronger role as VP than any VP before. Bush and Cheney were probably paid a lot and also profited from Halliburton and the oil and Blackwater investment in Iraq. The point is that these thinktanks, like PNAC and American Enterprise Institute and some in Heritage Foundation are the action ones behind it. It is like a dragon with many heads: we have to chop off all the heads (eventually, or the brains behind the heads (Kristol, Feith, Frum, Fleischer etc.)...then the heads and party will follow the brains of Dr. Paul :-)
I would think He would!
Ron Paul has been campaigning around the country for well over a year now. Every where He’s gone, including every Republican Debate, he’s claimed the Iraq War is an Unconstitutional War. If the war is Unconstitutional then someone broke their Oath of Office, and violated the Constitution didn't they... it's that simple... that SOMEONE is Bush.
If Ron Paul doesn't support these Articles of Impeachment, then he needs to stop tooting his horn on this subject along with many others doesn't He. Because I believe in him, I know he will support the Impeachment process.
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Very good point
That would be a very good reason that Ron could use to defend his support of impeachment.
I'd like to see the neo-cons argue him on that...
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lets not forget the nspd-51 where in the case of a national threat or anything bush thinks is a threat, i think bush will try to set up his dictatorship and along with fima declare martial law just like his mentor hitler
I fear the same thing!
I totally agree with you, I fear the same thing.
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encourage it to get out of committee first.
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Dr. Paul says he does not support impeachment
in this interview: http://youtube.com/watch?v=3hLVhgm_glc
He said this back in March of 07
"no, I dont at this time support impeachment." The revelations of McClellan and other developments since that time may have changed his mind. When people say "at this time" they are leaving a door open should circumstances change. What the hell else does he need? Animal porn on Dubya's computer?? You either have to say "I dont beleive in the concept of impeachment" and go against your oath by avoiding signing it or you sign it.
He needs to support this
He needs to support this resolution. Please write him and cc/campaign HQ.
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I disagree
I'm with Dr. Paul that Bush in all probability did not lie about WMD in Iraq. He was just duped like everyone else by the false information.
LOL give Bush the benefit of the doubt? Yeah right. :-/
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I don't think so either, I hope Ron Paul will support Kucinich!
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Bush was lying. Make no
Bush was lying. Make no mistake.
If we're going to use his stupidity as an excuse to let him off the hook for criminal behavior, we are fools, indeed.
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Eager to be duped
Very eager and hopeful of being duped. I could tell how excited he was to it Iraq. Nothing was going to change his mind. Hussein said over and over and over, I don't have WMDs. He knew his fate and why.
Impeachment? No!
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I'm for hanging this murderer along with Cheney and Rice and the rest of this gang. Let him go beside Sadaam who murdered less.
Impeachment would be nice, but true justice would be hanging which would deter all those who would consider to do likewise.
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I think it's funny to see
I think it's funny to see how the trolls mostly avoid these posts..... it speaks volumes. By all means, IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH, ITMFA !!!!
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Impeachment
What is the point? It is a LONG procedure to carry through all the way. His term will be up by then. Besides, even if it WERE accomplished with time left, then VP Cheney would ascend to the office and what difference would have been made?
Congress has plenty to consider with all the problems we have.
Impeachment, while highly dramatic would be merely symbolic; a useless waste of time.
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I think you are nitpicking,
I think you are nitpicking, though. I believe she phrased it that way because she was skeptical that Dr. Paul would take a loud stand on Impeachment of GW Bush while he is 2 1/2 months away from the convention in September in a GOP presidential campaign.
I think she was challenging our side to get it done. Let's answer the challenge.
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I think it's up to us to try
I think it's up to us to try to get him to support the resolution.
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Not to nit-pick but
no one "worships" Ron Paul- that was an irresponsible and demeaning choice of words. That said, I agree with her 100%. Impeachment is as much our resposibility as fiscal responsibility and everything else RP advocates. Id like to think that he can separate the strategies of politics and simply ask himself, using the rule of the Constitution, "Is there cause for impeachment?" If such a request is formally presented to him and he does not lend his signature-Id be very interested as to why he didn't.
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Sometimes you people drive me nuts. Ron should do this, Ron should do that. Ron dodged, Ron stood firm. BLAH BLAH BLAH
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Ron will vote for it.. IF its constitutionally correct. If its poorly presented, contains a lot of party rhetoric or just plan done wrong, he will vote against it. Just like last time. He clearly said there should be a full investigation, but voted against it because there hadn't been.
If you have an issue with Ron's voting record, and his stance on Washington politics, his death grip on the constitution, well, maybe you shouldn't be here.
If you are in the 14th district write him and ask/urge him.
If you’re not, write your own congressman.
If your congressman won't follow through with what you believe to be right, run for the office!
But stop telling the -1- sane voice in our govt what to do. I trust he knows better than we do what to do. That’s why I vote for him.
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