I have a BIG QUESTION????? Help Me??
Submitted by takeaction on Thu, 11/01/2007 - 02:52My question is this.........
What happens if Ron Paul does not win??
I really need some help here....Don't get me wrong, I am doing everything in my power as one person to get RP into office. But I want some responses from you people. You are human just as I am, and we are facing a "Mafia" type situation. RP is gaining strength, and he does have a possible chance at winning, but the facts are still the facts....and all of this will happen before the election...possibly?
#1 It is possible that the elections will be rigged.
#2 RP will be possibly assasinated.
#3 It is possible that this gov't will attack Iran at a strategic point so they can suspend elections.
I dare you to read this??....It is all true brothers...
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007...
#4 Cheney is forcing Bush to attack IRAN!!
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18631.htm
I can't post anymore.....this entire country is screwed.
I will bet that Cheney attacks Iran before he is out of office....or they instruct Israel to attack Iran. Oil will be at $200 a barrel, and gold at $3000 an ounce. Get ready because it is here in front of you!
The election is going to play out like this no matter what you think. The election will be either rigged, or scammed somehow.
Clinton or Rudy will win, and the chaos will continue. We will be in Iraq forever, and the dollar will collapse as it already has done. Oil,Gold and Silver will Skyrocket. The North American Union will happen. The Amero will happen. The Real ID act will happen. We are doomed. If you do not know about these things, then research it.
I pray we even make it to election day.
I pray that I am wrong.
I pray that Ron Paul will save us.
I am doing everything I can to promote RP......but I feel that this gov't is so corrupt, they will never let this happen.
The Federal Reserve, The IRS, etc....are way to powerful to let RP even come close to them.
So lets say I am CORRECT??? Hillary or Rudy Wins???
All of us RP supporters?? Are we going to go away? Are we going to stand for all of this BS???
Are we all going to just bow down to the corrupt, rigged gov't?
Tell me what you are going to do if Hillary or Rudy wins???
Regardless... run for office
Regardless... run for office yourself. Start local and work your way up. Follow the same principles and give this country a pool of actual candidates to choose from.
Follow Ron's lead, and use libertarian principles, but realize that the Libertarian Party won't gain many voters in the election system that we are living with. Run as a Republican or Democrat, but stay true to your ideals and don't be bought by lobbyists.
Support candidates that follow these principles with your time, money, and your vote.
Write or call your congressman. Be outspoken, don't stay silent.
Ron said it best on Leno... he's not perfect, but the message of freedom is. As much as I want Ron to win, if he doesn't, it's not a final blow in the grand scheme. What would be a final blow would be if this group of fervent supporters gave up hope and disbanded.
Assasination
Assassination is a real threat if Paul were to win. Just think about the Kennedy's and Reagan.
How is it that the terrible scandalous presidents never get assassinated or even an attempt at their life, but the wonderful people always do!
The answer, in my mind, is the dominate men of the world will not let go their strangle hold on the power they have gained by being intimidating. And when someone stands for freedom, they cannot win because they cannot intimidate them, so they must kill them.
I think there is a very real, very present group of dominant men in this country who will not let go their power, and cover their aggression with a lie about democracy.
So why dont we find these men and intimidate them??
Because either A. We are too intimidated, or B. We dont want to hurt anyone because we are kind and believe in freedom!
So how do we beat them? Do we wait until it gets so bad that they start blatently terrorizing their own citizens like Germany? Wait until other nations gang up and defeat them like they did with Germany?
What happens if we elect Paul and they assassinate him?? Why did we let them get away with the Kennedy assassinations? Why did we let them get away with the Russo Assassination??
Because they are mysterious and evil!!!!! And scary!!! Ahhh! Im scared shitless!!!
BUT, this fellow is correct. God is ultimately in control. But the catch is, God does not care what happens. Because he gave us this system to do what we want with it. So he will let it all happen, because he knows that everyone and everything returns to God. If you dont believe that, you might be trapped in this fight forever. But if you do believe that, you can possibly let go of this fight and enjoy the ride!
But I sort of want to kill the killers personally. Make them feel intimidated.
hello, goodbye, sometimes we all just need to cry.
That is a question for another time.
Right now we must keep our eyes on the prize. Winning the Primary Election should be our main focus.
Response to MikeK
By my earlier post that "God is in control", I did NOT mean that God is responsible for the evil that goes on in the world. Furthermore, I did NOT mean that we should sit back and do nothing. In the end, God will take care of those who perpetuate evil. However, we should always do what we can to support righteous causes. Thank you for passing out 100 slim jims--that's great! We are educating others around us as well.
God is in control...
We need to remember this first and foremost. God has a plan, and His plan always comes to pass exactly as it is written in His Word. God's plan will always prevail, though His people may face adversity for a time. These are actions we need to take:
*Find out how to know and serve the true savior Jesus Christ, the ONLY one who can save us, by studying God's Word (the Bible) every day.
*Thank God every day for our blessings.
*Pray to God every day for guidance, protection, etc.
*Know that Satan is coming to earth soon to try to deceive us into believing he is Christ. Satan=anti-christ (comes to earth FIRST). Jesus=True Christ (comes to earth SECOND). Wait for the true Christ.
*While we are living in the flesh, we need to take peaceful steps to bring about positive changes in our society and government (e.g., support Ron Paul for president and educate others).
I hate to be contrary
But...That reaction is exactly what the established powers want you to do - wait for an invisible daddy figure to save you. They've been programming that behavior for a long time. (The Book of Revelation was commissioned to be written by the Astors/Rockefellers/etc... in the 1880's). I want to be as positive and peaceful as possible and I personally believe that we might just win this thing. But, if all of our peaceful measures don't work, there will eventually come a violent resolution. While you pray, others will have to fight their way into Washington and find every member of Congress that voted for executive power and shoot them directly in the brain. I hope it never gets to that point, but it is reality. That said - I'm proud to stand with you in this peaceful "fight".
Keep the Ron Paul faith!
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain
HMMMMM....
I will agree with the last asterisk of the above post, but I do not believe that everything is controlled or will come to pass by divine intervention. If that were true, all we would have to do is sit back and wait. I for one will not sit back and wait. I'm gonna go give out 100 slim-jims right now!
I think the author intends to give us some comfort and reassurance that all things will work out in the end, but goes way over the top.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.
Thomas Jefferson, 1791
Or, you know...not.
Or, you know...not.
Agreed.
Agreed.
If voting machines can be rigged,
and if they don't allow write in votes, we could request absentee ballots if Ron doesn't win the Primary. I WILL NOT vote for the lesser of 2 evils again! No CFR members! No Way!
where can you find out if
where can you find out if your state allows write-ins?
Talk to your county clerk or election officials, or check...
...state election laws online.
"The Revolution will NOW be televised!"
Hillary vs Rudy - no contest - I vote Hillary
Not to bring up a devils.advocate bashing AGAIN... but its a free country and if Ron Paul is not on the ticket, in texas you cannot write in a vote... our machines are good voting machines (not like diebolds) but no option for write-ins... So between the two, I would vote Hillary as the lesser of two evils...
No way will I support a lisping, cross-dressing, closet NEO-CON they are the worst kind.... BUT THIS IS ONLY IF RON PAUL DOES NOT GET THE REPUBLICAN NOD.... I dont even want to think about that now, I am focused on Nov 5, getting Ron Paul elected etc..
Look... if you vote for Hillary..
As you said; the lesser of two evils - your going to hell.
What would be the conception, of 'hell'? - It would be called the United States of America, after either of them get into office. I personally consider any vote, of a lesser of two evils, a sin.
“Rebellion against tyrants is obedience to God.”
~ Benjamin Franklin
- You'd be voting for them. You'd be disobeying God.
Necon Female vs. Neocon Male? Either write in Dr. Paul...
...or write in NOTA. Then start packing for Canada or New Zealand...
"The Revolution will NOW be televised!"
why wouldn't
Advocate,
why would you vote for hitlery.. she's just as bad as julie-annie..
If Ron Paul does not get the nomination, (which actually i think he will!)
then I'm voting for the Constitution party candidate as a protest vote.. NEVER again will i vote for the lesser of 2 evils EVIL IS STILL EVIL!
don't make me come threw this computer screen and strangle you!
lol RON PAUL IN 08!
"Ineptocracy: a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confisc
The reason we get to vote
The reason we get to vote every four years is so that we can have a peaceful revolution. To me, we need to stand united no matter what happens. The government is here to serve the people of the US. If he loses I say we march on capitol hill during the inauguration with a copy of the Declaration Of Independence.
'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul
The 'What if?' questions. What to do...
1.) Stop freaking out.
2.) Keep the Faith. We will win in the end. We are in the cycle of History where the good guys pull it out of the fire at the last minute. Trust in that; stay calm, focused and alert, and you will survive to tell your grandchildren about these times.
"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan
If you got to my comment you have read many but...
One thing you can take away is that if he doesn't win you will have to spend a lot of money to make things better.
Moving expenses if you go to NH or elsewhere
Donations to future candidates just to get to where RP is now.
New signs and slogans for a new candidate.
All new effort waving signs, Building billboards, organizing meetups etc.
What am I getting at?
Many of you have said you will scrape together $100 for November the 5th. What I recommend is to add up what it will cost you down the road if RP doesn't win. And think to yourself, there is no better time to focus all your efforts than on one particular day. Would it be better to spend $2000 over the next 10 years? No. You would just be diluting your efforts. The sun shines on earth everyday without starting a fire unless you have a magnifying glass. November 5th is our magnifying glass. It is a place we can all see and we can all help. We can all focus to this one point in time. Like that magnifying glass, we can start a fire with the light of liberty shining on November 5th. You have to decide $100 is not enough. You have to dig deep until it hurts. Until you won't be able to eat on November 6th if you give more. If you really believe in freedom put every last dollar together on November 5th and give! Surely that is easier than giving your life as many did during the first revolution.
We can all live in a free country again come November 6th 2008 but not if we don't win the next game on November 5th.
Don't worry. This is only the beginning.
The most important thing that is happening is not the person, it's the message... The Movement!!
Think about it, if Ron Paul were elected, he would be battling Congress and the Media constantly. He won't have many allies.
But, in this internet age, we are the early adopters of this rebirth of the philosophies of individual freedoms. It will only grow, as more young people open their eyes and embrace the message. It will be an uphill battle until the progressive baby boomers are gone from power. When we look back at this 30 years from now, we will smile and remind ourselves that this movement exploded during the Ron Paul campaign, and we were part of it.
The thing is that right now, Ron Paul has few allies in Government. We need to step up, be a part of mainstream politics and help elect a whole machine of leaders who can work together to restore freedom. It will take our entire lifetimes, but our grandchildren will thank us.
It is true what you say to a
It is true what you say to a certain extent about how politics work. However, I do believe that we need to have a contingency plan. This is an incredible movment, which goes beyond politics as usual. It is a message, a salute to Liberty which we will lose if anyone else but RP gets elected. We will lose our rights. Do not think that "Rome" has not noticed that we have fermented a revoltion on the internet. Our Constitional rights will be taken away from us so fast if he loses it will make our heads spin.
The Government needs to fear the people, not the other way around. Long Live the Second Amendment!
they cant stop freedom, now that we posess the internet
It will be an uphill battle, but we will prevail as long as we persist. Even China cant stop the internet....
Dude, if elections are suspended
We all know it would be time for an uprising. I'd rather die than live under a dictatorship. The constitution explicitly states that citizens are required to oppose tyranny and oppression. It is our civic duty and no matter how bad things may seem, we still have the right to vote and the right to express our views. But the second they remove either of those rights we will be living under a dictatorship and the time will have come to live free or die.
I doubt it will come to that. I would be shocked if it came to that, but if things went south then I will be grateful for the 2nd ammendment and the guns in my possession.
Point is...cross one bridge at a time. Besides, I think Ron Paul will have no choice but to run as an Independent if he loses the Republican nomination. He will feel obligated by all the time, effort, and money dontated in his name. ;)
"It does not take a majority to prevail. But rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." ~Samuel Adams while plotting the Boston Tea Party.
http://disillusionedrants.blogspot.com/
Except he'll have to lock indy bids up before St. Paul (nt)
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Oppose HR 1955 Support HR 3835
One thing you can do now is to focus on the issues.
Ron Paul's campaign has catalyzed us and brought us together, and whether his campaign is successful or not, the issues will remain.
Oppose S 1959
HR 1955 is S 1959 in the U.S. Senate.
Excellent Point!
Yes, HR 1955 is a lost cause because the cowards passed it. Now, we need to encourage our senators to oppose S 1959.
A picture says a thousand words
This is what we will need to do -
http://twitchfilm.net/site/images/mastheads/vforvendetta01.jpg
What to do if RP does not win.
I seriously believe that we must do what Ron Paul himself would have done to help bring freedom and liberty back to this great nation. To support any politician that will help to maintain our freedom and personal liberties, local, state or otherwise, and to encourage free market principles: free trade with all countries and all people, friendship, but not to enter our lives into contractual agreements that will entangle us later on. Here are the steps I believe that every American citizen that loves liberty should do, whether or not Ron Paul wins, but especially if he does not.
#1 Get out of DEBT. No man can be free if he is financially burdened. Pay off your credit cards, cut them up and don't use them. Pay off loans and mortgages as fast as you can. And the banks will protest when you do this, but they do have a contractual obligation.
#2 Get rid of as many Federal Reserve Notes as you can and instead get Liberty Dollars. The sooner this is done the better. Inflation will continue to drive the price of gold and silver up. You can get silver and gold coins and certificates (legal tender in the U.S.) at www.libertydollar.org. You might also want to invest in a large tamper-proof safe to store these in. These can be quite expensive. If you are a merchant, accept Liberty Dollars. And indeed in the worst of times you may wish to accept Liberty Dollars over any other form of currency (including credit cards, checks, or federal reserve notes)
#3 Learn to use handguns and rifles if you do not already know how to do so. Practice your second amendment rights. I personally hate guns, but if the time is coming when I will need to defend myself from the evils of a tyrannical government, I will do what I can to resist.
#4 Continue to speak out and censor any government official who strips us of our liberties. Protest! Practice the right to free speech! In the age when tyranny begins to oppress us, it becomes more than a right, it becomes a civic duty.
#5 Be informed! Learn what your civil rights and liberties are! And hold on to them for dear life. Do not let anyone take them away from you. If this means civil disobedience, so be it. And if your life is threatened, you have a right to protect it!
#6 Remain part of the Ron Paul Revolution. Create pamphlets, websites, blogs, forums, posters. Every moment that our civil liberties are threatened is a moment in which to act!
#7 Remind our government officials and the military that they are sworn to uphold the Constitution, not a specific person or branch of government.
#8 In the event of socialized medicine, find alternative treatments! Or if anything is socialized, find alternative sources. Find people willing to provide optimum services at reasonable costs, although I imagine that they will be illegal and underground for the most part, and thus both dangerous and more expensive.
#9 Do not support big corporations if you can help it. I am already doing this by refusing to eat at national chains or purchase products from national chains. If you need clothing or home goods, try going to a fabric goods store. Sometimes they have a place where local tailors and fabric workers advertise their services. These can be more expensive than department store or Wal-mart type clothing, but the quality is superior. Homemade clothing can last several generations.
#10 For transportation needs, find a local mechanic who knows what the hell he's talking about and is not afraid to charge reasonable prices. Ask him what you can do to help run vehicles on less fuel, etcetera. Avoid police check points, if at all possible. And do not give them permission to open or search your vehicle if you are stopped! Unwarranted searches are unconstitutional and a violation of human rights to privacy and protection from a stronghanded government.
The Founders of this great nation abhorred tyrrany and loved liberty. The power of the King to wage war, tax and abuse the personal rights of the American colonists drove them to rebel, win a revolution, and codify their convictions in a new Constitution
The Founders of this great nation abhorred tyrrany and loved liberty.
What to do if Ron Paul Does Not Win
Support any candidate that will follow the constitution. If none of the candidates refuse to follow the constitution then put down Ron Paul as a write in candidate in the general election.