Anti-Write-In-League urging people not to vote Ron Paul [UPDATED]
Submitted by JKap on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 08:19The Ron Paul for President 2008 grassroots campaign continues!
I see that the Anti-Write-In-League is hard at work even on Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty urging people not to vote for Ron Paul. That’s pretty pathetic.
Do you tell everyone you know not to vote for Ron Paul? Or just those on internet forums? Or is it just those on Ron Paul Revolution-oriented websites?
In the general election, write in Ron Paul for Liberty. Everything else is a wasted vote–after all, bipartisan black box Stalinist-style elections have corrupted the integrity of the vote. How can you be sure that your vote will be recorded accurately and “counted” in secret using proprietary software even if you vote for a ballot-qualified candidate in the general election? You can't.
My vote will have meaning. If it has meaning to you or if you disagree with my vote makes no difference to me. I will vote Ron Paul.
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Update 1: I urge everyone who supports Ron Paul and his Campaign for Liberty to pledge their support for writing-in Ron Paul in the general election at the following website: Write-in Ron Paul as well as by signing up at Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty.
Also, I found something very ironic when I did a search of Google for "write in Ron Paul": http://write-inronpaul.com/. I just about couldn't believe my eyes when I clicked that link on Google. I think that you'll find the results very interesting and telling of this "in-fighting" over our individual Constitutional rights to vote for whomever we so choose.
wow
who the hell is this wninja guy? 'There is no freedom without representative government'?!
You need to go do some reading, junior. Wow.
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
Nice misquote. I never said
Nice misquote. I never said there is no "freedom" without representative government. I said their is no liberty. You have freedom now, you just don't have liberty. Why don't you do some more reading?
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"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
OK Change of mind here.
I apparently will be writing in Ron Paul regardless of furthering the Campaign for Liberty or not. After a little more research into the Constitution Party and uncovering the heavy religious smog within, there is no way in hell I will vote Baldwin and potentially treat myself to the misery of overzealous religious people in power to shove God yet even further up my ass. As for Barr, he never was an option and he is a dirtbag politician just trying to schmooze our Ron Paul support. Here is the proof
http://www.write-inronpaul2008.com/
write in ron paul link....
Yep, how slimey
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/
The DP is proof that the grassroots support for Ron Paul and his peaceful message of individual liberty is large, real, and not going away!
Don't be so afraid of other people's ideas!
As a movement the first order should be educating people...
We're 5 months from the election and it's ok to have more than one idea.
Have some faith my friend. There's two things you need to a great idea...having a great idea is one... the other is having the respect of others.
To get respect you have to give respect. And this is the time to hash out ideas... Let's welcome all ideas, if you want to discuss them... this is the place! Let's take the time to hear each other out... I'm sure they have valid points to why they are doing what theyre doing.
I know many have been conditioned by the media to immediately attack ideas that they disagree with but lets use this opportunity to learn how to become Americans again... to respect other people's right to have ideas and express them. I'm a "reborn American" since I discovered Ron Paul but it takes some time to realize what that means... we need to respect each other and remember it's the government that we should remain critical of.
Mike
"Fire Team for Freedom" and "Operation Daily Paul"
on revolutionbroadcasting.com
or visit www.mikeandjake.com
Mike
"Fire Team for Freedom"
visit www.mikeandjake.com
Can someone please explain
Can someone please explain this to me? The poster writes:
"In the general election, write in Ron Paul for Liberty. Everything else is a wasted vote–after all, bipartisan black box Stalinist-style elections have corrupted the integrity of the vote. How can you be sure that your vote will be recorded accurately and “counted” in secret using proprietary software even if you vote for a ballot-qualified candidate in the general election? You can't."
How is this problem somehow solved or mitigated by writing in Ron Paul? Is it because we know the vote won't be counted any ways?
I understand the rest of the argument, I just don't get this part.
Vote count
All votes at one time were write in votes,it was simple write your choice on a paper and it was counted.Then came voting machines and voter fraud and election manipulation.Stalin made the statement that it's not who you vote for that counts,but who counts the votes.The meaning being regardless of how people vote, how those votes are counted determines the outcome of the election.So by writing in Ron Paul whether the vote is counted or not at least to yourself (the only one that matters) in the face of great adversity you did the right thing.
State by state rules
This is a link to rules of most of the states (these are basic rules) there are a few other rules that may apply.
http://mfoster.com/misc/write-in_rules_2008.html
Writing in Ron Paul
I will only write in Ron Paul for President and my vote will not be wasted!!!
Oh yea, I will be writing-in Ron Paul
on my absentee ballot.
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Lisa C.
“Elections are short term efforts; revolutions are long term projects.”
--Ron Paul
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Look at this link...
http://write-inronpaul.com/
...and tell me what you think...
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“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." -John Quincy Adams
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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy
your vote is never lost
“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.”
~ John Quincy Adams
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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy
You don't know the meaning of the word "principle"
"Better to light a candle, than to curse the darkness." - Confucius
"Slight not what's near, through aiming at what's far." - Euripides
"Those who cannot forgive others, break the bridge over which themselves must pass." - Confucius
We can never solve our significant problems from the same level of thinking we were at when we created the problems. - Albert Einstein
Whenever "A" attempts by law to impose his moral standard on "B," "A" is most likely a scoundrel. - H.L. Mencken
He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression. - Thomas Paine
Mistrust those in whom the urge to punish is strong. - Nietzsche
American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotparty.com/
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocracy.com/index.php?option=content&task...
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
Write in site
I just went to one of the write-in links and got a Bob Barr page,I was suprised.But I did get through on the other link and left them this information.
From Texas election legal 2008
Write-in candidates file a declaration of write-in candidacy with the Secretary of State. The declaration may not be filed earlier than July 27, 2008, or later than 5:00 p.m. of August 26, 2008. The declaration must also be accompanied with information about the vice-presidential running mate and the names and addresses of the presidential electors. Written-signed statements of each individual’s consent to be a vice-presidential candidate or elector must accompany the application. Texas has 34 presidential electors. Forms may be obtained from the Secretary of State’s office.
Also there is a protocol for writing in a candidate when you do.......The name of the person first and then the office to be elected to.
Incomplete list. At least 7 states don't permit write-in at all
For example, that list doesn't mention anything about Oklahoma, which doesn't permit any write in votes, and has the worst ballot access laws of any state:
http://www.okvoterchoice.org/winger.html
Great! you looked up one
Great! you looked up one state! Only 49 more to go!
Wait let me save you some time. Because you'll never circumvent this rule.
In some states the loser of a primary cannot be a candidate for write-in.
The irony in all this is that you see the problem right in front of you and refuse to acknowledge it. Every time you think about how to get Ron in the whitehouse you are faced with it, yet still manage to overlook it. As if it's just that way and suppose to be that way.
American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotparty.com/
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocracy.com/index.php?option=content&task...
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
Here's your 49
State by state rules(basic rules).
http://mfoster.com/misc/write-in_rules_2008.html
Yeah, I've posted that very
Yeah, I've posted that very same list several times. You know it's not complete right? And did you bother to read the second rule?
American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotparty.com/
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocracy.com/index.php?option=content&task...
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
The second rule
The second rule only applies to 4 states
How many states does it take
How many states does it take to filibuster a write-in? More than 4?
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Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocracy.com/index.php?option=content&task...
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
what are you going to so
what are you going to so when Ron Paul endorses Chuck baldwin?
Will you still write in Ron Paul? i think I would vote for Baldwin.
I would consider it...
I would strongly consider an endorsement by Ron Paul for a Presidential candidate, but I don't think that I could bring myself to vote for Barr. But regardless, I would make up my mind independently, similarly to how I made up my mind to support Ron Paul for President. I would try to make the best choice according to my own principles, judgment and conscience. In fact, that is why I will be writing in Ron Paul--because of my own principles, judgment and conscience.
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Sorry to tell you this but i
Sorry to tell you this but i think you are weak on all three accounts.
American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotparty.com/
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocracy.com/index.php?option=content&task...
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
Thanks
Thanks for trying to tell us the rules, so we can make choices that count. It may not do some any good, but every light helps.
Being a rebel should be balanced with being effective, when possible. I think there are options not disqualified we can live with, and I guess we can look up the options in our state ahead of time...
I'm OK not making up somebody in my head to vote for, so I guess I'm OK looking at the world and our constitutional options, since this is a constitutional "revolution". I'm strictly against the mental slavery tricks that say don't vote for a good choice, because you can only choose 1 of 2 evils. We do have choices, and even if we look at the rules, we're not limited to 2 choices. Not just voting for Ron Paul means work, and actually examining the available options. Darn!
You're Welcome
Would I be a patriot if kept it to myself?
We know the systems rigged. Even if Dr.Paul ran 3rd party he would get railroaded down the line by some obscure law in some bassackward state. We (or at least some of us) already know since he lost in the primaries he cannot be a candidate for write-in.
Today's question isn't about who or how to vote. It's about how to break the two party chain. If we cannot break the chain right here and right now. We will be bound to it for an additional 4 to 8 years! I'm afraid we don't have that kind of time. An opportunity like this comes around once in a.... never!
Now we could all vote for our "principles" and write-in Paul giving the Presidency to McBama. Or we could be part of the biggest upset since Lincoln and restore order and confidence to the election process.
There are a number of milestones that if they are reached could be instrumental in upsetting the establishments choice for the POTUS. Write-in is not part of the equation. Let us continue to follow Ron Paul's lead if you cannot trust sound advice. I'm sure Ron Paul has no intention of writing himself in. Let us assume he's not lying because that would be a terrible thing to base a strategy on in more ways than I care to mull over.
Ron Paul is openly supportive of both Barr and Baldwin and even spoke out before Congress on behalf of Nader. Why? Because he understands that National Ballot Access is a necessary function of representative government. Why should we attack any of these people? They are not representative of our oppression. Instead we should be helping them fight those who oppress us all. We should be trying to break the floodgate of support for all three of these alternate candidates and fire them at McBama like bullets from a gun.
Did you know that in a 5-way race a little over 20% is a majority vote? Be patient, stay the course to September. Even if we are blessed with a miracle we still have to overcome the general election and the DNC machine. For the most part the strategy is the same win or lose. Because no matter what happens, in order to win the oppositions candidate has to be completely overshadowed.
...and while he (Obama) should be under assault as we speak. We are all too busy bickering over dilutions of grandeur and speculation.
American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotparty.com/
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocracy.com/index.php?option=content&task...
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
Because of how you expressed it and
put the word principles in quotes...makes me think you don't have any! You phrase it as if there is no such thing as principles. So what if we write Ron Paul in? You say if we write him in, Obama gets the Presidency! If we vote for Barr (which I will not do) or Baldwin...do you honestly think Obama or McCann won't get in??? I do have principles; voting for the lesser of evils is not an option...
Ron Paul has not dropped out; he has only stopped actively campaigning...and it gets SICKENING day in/day out hearing all this NON-support of Ron Paul, here on a RON PAUL site...when the convention hasn't been held yet...
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What's sickening is that you
What's sickening is that you assume Paul is lying about his candidacy. I truly hope Paul gets the nomination. But I'm not holding my breath. The only thing I fear more than that is a McCain/Obama presidency. If there is a chance no matter how remote to keep these two out of power then that's where my conscience is aligned. I quoted principles because most of you idol worshipers have no idea what the word even means. It's just a word you hide behind to make yourself feel comfortable.
"The only thing evil needs to gain a foothold, is for good men to do nothing."
American Patriot Party - http://www.oregonpatriotparty.com/
Voters for none of the above - http://nota.org/
National Ballot Access - http://www.directdemocracy.com/index.php?option=content&task...
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
the feeling is mutual, I'm sure
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Support Ron Paul's (not ex-CIA neocon Bob Barr's) Campaign for Liberty!
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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy
You wouldn't believe it if I told you...
I urge everyone who supports Ron Paul and his Campaign for Liberty to pledge their support for writing-in Ron Paul in the general election at the following website: Write-in Ron Paul 2008 as well as by signing up at Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty.
Also, I found something very ironic when I did a search of Google for "write in Ron Paul": http://write-inronpaul.com/. I just about couldn't believe my eyes when I clicked that link on Google. I think that you'll find the results very interesting and telling of this "in-fighting" over our individual Constitutional rights to vote for whomever we so choose.
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Support Ron Paul's (not ex-CIA neocon Bob Barr's) Campaign for Liberty!
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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy
Looks like they have honed into
Every aspect of Ron Paul supporters to me.