Now I am open for discussion.
I have been really looking through Barr's records even deeper since Ron Paul has officially stepped out of the race and we are left with but a few poor choices. I can safely think that no one here will vote for McSame or Obamanation. So what do we have.
NOTA
Write in Paul
Constitutional party
Barr
This is where it gets tricky. I can't for the life of me support Barr. It's just to coincidental that the same MSM that has treated Ron and his supporters like the lowliest trash know to man all of the sudden give Barr a ton of air time. Doesn't feel a bit right to me.
Yes I have seen where Ron says Barr will help the movement. So I am stuck with the one thing I have learned from Dr. Paul.... Vote principal...
If you haven't seen the video I have used as my tag line there is no better time than now to watch it to understand what I am talking about when I refer to how the MSM is a control device. That is why I am weary of Barr.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klSek88t54w
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...and you should be weary
...and you should be weary of Barr. Still though, What do all the Barr haters do if Paul supports him? Sure you could say that he will not due to the fact that Baldwin is his freind. But that only means he connot promote one over the other. He can however support them equally. Why would he do that? Because RP knows what's wrong with the system. That's why he won't file as a write-in or run 3rd party. However since part of the problem is debate access. I think the prudent thing for the movement in general is to get as many voices on the debate stage with McBama as we can.
Wether you support Barr or Baldwin or Ventura for that matter. It is just something that has to be done.
Barr can get and keep issues on the table as part of the argueably largest 3rd party in America. Excuses for not letting Barr in debate are thin but you can rest asured that the powers-that-be will try to keep this from happening. (IMO Barr is here to take hits and buy us time to figure out what we're doing.)
Baldwin is arguably the closest thing there is to Paul ideologicly and should be in the debate for just that reason. I have issues with the CP platform but would be willing to vote this way in a single voter block should we still have cohesion then.
Green party, I know little about however do they not deserve representative government aswell? ("...my liberty depends on your liberty" - Alex Jones)
Reform Party, who fronted Perot is the only 3rd party candidate accepted to previous debates. If the Reform party put up a good candidate he should be heard aswell. (may it be Ventura)
Because of Barr's background I do not believe we are suppose to get on this bandwagon in the general election. But there is little excuse that is not entirely selfish as to why we should not want Barr in the debate.
Unless McBama gets smoked in the debates and they both lose. We are screwed. If McCanus loses to Obama and Obama wins. Do you know who will be blamed? Us, RP, this whole movement will be attributed to spliting the republican vote. If you think we have enemies now just wait. It will get worse before it gets better.
The goal is liberty and freedom. We wanted to do that by electing Paul. But since that will not happen we should not lose sight of the goal. We should be looking for a way to keep McBama out. The only way to do that is to get more voices on the debate stage.
One is not enough either. It would be like Perot again. We need to match or out number them on stage. We need to demand representation of the disenfranchised.
If we don't this in-house bickering will never cease and the power of our voting block will be lost.
Paul or NOTA2008 - Ventura/Paul or NOTA2008
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"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
oruval read this
Id be happy if you support Baldwin who is one of us
but this is interesting
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/52304
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I have actually been getting.
That from some local meetup group members that think we should instead of taking over the GOP grow the Constitutional Party in our area.
Thanks for the thread info.
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I don't think
Ron Paul has officially stepped out of the race. He has officially discontinued his "campaign." But he is still a candidate for presidency. What he did yesterday was just a technicality. Best thing we can do is get him elected.
Weary - maybe this is why the MSM pushing Barr
The MSM want to ensure one thing, and thats that Obama wins. While McCain was their media darling in the Republican Primaries, they tossed him away long ago for their favorite son Obama. By pushing Bob Barr in the media, they are hoping to take conservative votes away from McCain, and so they will, but be careful what you wish for - if Barr catches fire they may have purchased a one way ticket home for Obama. But my thinking is that they will keep Barr high in the media right up until the debates, then they will black him out (just like Ron Paul), unless he goes wildfire. And if that happens they will be too late to black him out.
The big difference here is that Ron Paul was in the primaries and could debate among the other Republicans (so they blacked him out from the beginning) , Barr is in the General and will gain conservative, Independent and blue collar Demcrat votes but for the MSM only enough to stop McCain.
It is crystal clear to me
and always has been and nothing has changed. Ron Paul is just beginning from the powerful speech and cheers from the crowd last night. Everything is picking up new momentum. He is still a Presidential candidate just not actively campaigning. He is still the spokesman for the message he has always had as Champion of the Constitution with a new extended venue of Campaign for Liberty. Who knows what more surprises we will have in the future as to where this will all go. There is no one else out there that I have heard that comes any where close to the changes that have to be made and made shortly. I will support RP without any hesitation all of the way through. To each their own. He has always said he will stay the course as long as he has supporters. That is why he is planning the Convention. What if everyone comes to our party and no one shows up at the other one? Like RP said last night what is anyone going to listen to over there anyway? No
ill will to any of the other candidates; they just don't resonate with me at all.
Vote for Barr? What about Monetary Policy?
I'm not sure what to do either. Until Bob Barr became the Libertarian candidate, I was all set to write in Ron Paul. But I think it might show a stronger message to vote for Barr. He is better known, and at least my vote would get counted, unlike a write-in. If we take votes away from McCain, maybe the Republicans will learn that they should not have rejected us Ron Paul supporters. We can demonstrate the strength of our movement. Then the Republican party will be weakened enough that we can start moving it in the right direction. I am glad for the attention they are giving Bob Barr, but it does seem a little odd, considering their disdain for Dr. Paul. Perhaps their motive is just to help Obama and hurt McCain at this point. Is Barr worth voting for? He did vote for the Patriot Act, but now seems to regret it. Ron Paul hasn't endorsed him, but generally says positive things about him. I like what Barr says, but noticeably absent is any mention of what was arguably the centerpiece issue for Ron Paul -- MONETARY POLICY. Is this why the media is letting Barr talk?
Ann in Florida
look.. this whole thing was
look.. this whole thing was set up by the ruling elite to get a democrat in.. they didn't care if it was hitlery or obamanation.. they wanted a commie socialist to take office.. Mclame knew that from the beginning.. mccain = Dole.. he does not have a shot! its all set up WAY AHEAD OF TIME! the media is used to direct the scam! I don't care who you vote for.. I lIke Chuck Baldwin and will vote for him. I do not want a politician in the whitehouse anymore.. I want a person who has not run for office and has NO experience! The Constitution is the law and all a president has to do is follow it! and protect it! I don't want anymore lawyers, banksters or those with big money in politics anymore. and once your tour of duty is over you LEAVE! let some one else serve there nation! we need men and women who have owned small businesses. Those who know what it takes to put food on table and pay bills and have worked hard. not these jerkweed families like the kennedys etc who have sold this nation down the road! BARR OR BALDWIN.. either is fine with me! Baldwin is my preference, But not voting is not right!
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Have you heard of the We the People effort?
If they succeed, then McCain won't be the nominee. And I do not think it is a coincedence that the media is kissing up to Barr, I think it is for both of the reasons you mention; the media wants Obama, and Barr has said nothing about monetary poliicy.
BTW have you considered the Constitution Party and Chuck Baldwin?- Baldwin has said he would stepdown and endorse Paul if Paul is the nominee for the Republicans.
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
I keep hearing something about We the People
and I need to go see what is happening. But all I can say is Go, Go, Go.
I
I'm going to support Barr. Dr. Paul said "he speaks our language" and acknowledged that his voting history is not great but he is spreading the message. Dr. Paul also said that they are "allies" and friends. I'm not going to automatically condemn the guy, things have changed quite a bit and it is very possible that he really did change his views. He will appeal to Obama supporters and McCain supporters who thought Dr. Paul's views were too extreme. As a former republican he may be able to convert some neocons too. I think supporting Barr is a logical path forward.
"The wicked flee when no man pursueth, but the righteous are as bold as a lion."
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Do what you like
but how could a true patriot vote for someone who voted for the USA Patriot Act? That is tantamount to treason! Get your head out of your ass!
Gil thats not exactly true
He voted against the House Version of the Patriot Act with Ron Paul, but after it passed it had to go to a special committee with the Senate to work out the language differences. Ron Paul was not on that committee. Barr was, and weakened it and added sunset clauses - you have to remember it already had been passed - it was going to be LAW. In order for Barr to be on the committee, he had to agree to vote for the final committee compromise version, but by agreeing he was able to be on the committee and he was able to weaken it - he still voted for the compromise version and he regrets that, but he did get some important sunset clauses in it. I read somewhere from a Ron Paul staffer that they approved of Barr going in and being on the committee so they could have someone on the inside to see what was going on.
Nearly everyone in congress voted for it.
I've heard that they didn't even get to read it. I'm going to take him at his word. Dr. Paul says he's a friend. If he stops saying what we want I won't support him.
"The wicked flee when no man pursueth, but the righteous are as bold as a lion."
"Endless money forms the sinews of war." - Cicero, www.freedomshift.blogspot.com
this has been a very personal past year for me
I can do nothing other than write in Ron Paul to have closure on a personal level. Noone else comes close to what my conscience demands- so for me it is pretty easy. I really dont think another CAN come along that has the experience and voting record of Ron Paul. Wasted vote or not- writing in RP is just something I need to do. I fully support those who wish to vote NOTA. If RP were to endorse someone- i could feel good about voting for that person (likely Baldwin)- if hes good enough for Ron Paul he's good enough for me. otherwise i write RP in.
Don't waste your vote!
Don't waste your vote. Write in Ron Paul with a clear conscience.
Don't listen to those who tell you not to vote for Ron Paul--they never were part of this Campaign for Liberty.
"In questions of power...let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -Thomas Jefferson
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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy
Excuse me
but check your facts before you spout off.
I've been here since the beginning. I'm not telling anyone to NOT vote for Paul. But in Louisiana, as in every other state, he will NOT be on the ballot and so you will have to write him in.
However, in Louisiana, as in many other states, in order for that write in to even be counted at all, Dr. Paul has to FILE as a write in candidate. Unless you can convince him to do so, then a write in for him in Louisiana, as well as many other states will truly be a WASTED VOTE as it DEFINITELY will not be counted - period.
Therefore, I wish to vote for someone who is as close as possible to Dr. Paul. For me, that person is Barr. For others it might be Baldwin, and still others McKinney. That's up to them.
Please stop trying to claim some holier than though mantel because you either will have your write in counted, or you are too ignorant to know it probably won't be.
Anything but Barr In My Opinion
I agree, it smells fishy. The Old Media was afraid of us, but embraces Barr...
No thanks, i'll sample other kool-aid.
Aku Soku Zan
Aku Soku Zan
Vote principle............
So simple, so profound, so Ron Paul.
Stay the course...
Either write in RP or stay home. No one else is worth voting for.
Ron Paul has said Barr is an
Ron Paul has said Barr is an ally to our movement
I mean chances are slim he will win, but we can cost McCain the election, which would show just how powerful our movemnt is, even in these early satges
I don't even give a damn
I don't even give a damn what Ron Paul said about Barr. I will not vote for Barr. Barr betrayed his Oath of Office.
Dr. Paul is more forgiving than I am.
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Support the Constitution of the United States
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
personally I feel the message I would be sending by voting Barr
is that it dosnt really matter how someone votes in congress(Patriot Act, Iraq) as long as they talk a good game afterward and that the lesser of evils philosophy still owns the day. Its time we usher in the age of voting our conscience.
See the We the People website...
for why those may not be your only optiions (BTW are you ruling out voting Constitution Party,? If so , why?)
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
Chuck Baldwin is the natural
Chuck Baldwin is the natural choice. He's part of the movement, he endorsed Dr. Paul and campaigned for him, and he's not only a supporter of Ron Paul but a personal friend.
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
Arr sorry.
I'll edit.
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