Question about Lisbon Treaty
Submitted by sreams on Fri, 06/13/2008 - 11:32
Okay... so I know that the previous EU Constitution was defeated in referendums in France and The Netherlands, and that its successor, the Lisbon Treaty, has now been defeated in referendum in Ireland. Does this mean these proposals have been defeated each and every time there's been a referendum? Did any countries hold a referendum for the previous constitution and pass it, or has it so far only been passed by the government officials of various states. I'm curious, because if the people of these countries are consistently voting down proposals that their governments are always supporting, it is a good argument for small government for any country. It shows that government does not represent the people these days as a general rule.
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Actually... I just
Actually... I just researched it myself, and found that 9 countries had referendums on the 2005 EU Constitution. Of those 9, France and The Netherlands defeated it. So the peoples of 7 countries voted directly on it and passed it.
well
if "directly" means "by parlament" wich I think don't :)
It's pretty easy to find
It's pretty easy to find with a Google search. Look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Constitution
Spain and Luxembourg both voted Yes in referendum (direct vote by the people).
It is my understanding
That Ireland was the only country per their Constitution that requires that the people vote on it.
Yes, I know. My question
Yes, I know. My question goes beyond the Lisbon Treaty. The previously proposed EU Constitution was very similar to the Lisbon Treaty, and it was defeated in two referendums (France and The Netherlands). Was that constitution voted on by the people in more countries than just France and The Netherlands? Did the people of any country, when given the chance to vote directly, ever support either of these proposals?
They never had a chance voting this.
Go here and read more:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/49393
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/50525
That may be the case, but
That may be the case, but not seeing a specific answer to my question in the links you gave. So are we saying that Ireland, France, and the Netherlands are the only three countries to hold referendums on the previous EU Constitution -or- the Lisbon Treaty?
Spain voted yes
On previous EU Constitution first voted Spain. They voted YES in referendum in 2005. Then was France NO and Netherlands NO.
more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Constitut...
And here is how THEY decided to push Lisbon Treaty WITHOUT referendums.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kr0Foq3CQE
http://www.youtube.com/user/WeAreChangeIreland