Laurie: How can CFL survive with so many groups in opposition to each other?
It's been, what, just 2 days and the splintering that existed appears to be getting much worse? Not a good sign-
As I've posted before, literally every single person/group that has stepped forward and taken action has been blasted for those actions by others, particularly the Granny Warriors and Trevor Lyman and, more recently, those doing the work for the DC March.
The minute I read that RP would be dropping out on Thursday, my immediate reaction was why couldn't he have waited until *after* July 12th to make his announcement?
The very fact that RP had announced his "dual convention" probably decreased attendance for both the Sturgis festival *and* the DC March.
In this economy, how exactly did RP think his supporters could afford to attend 3 separate events across the country? And the minute each person has to choose which one(s) to use vacation time and limited funds for, the attendance is decreased at all 3 events.
I'm sure that those who have worked so hard in organizing the two July events must have been shocked with the potential harmful impact for their events due to both of RP's announcements, the dual convention and the campaign ending, in such a short period of time.
Given the fact that it was RP himself who requested a DC March, indicated that HQ would organize it for a likely June 21 date, but then backed out/indicated HQ would not be organizing it, people again stepped up to the plate. It is my understanding that permit availability was the issue that caused the change in date to July 12.
Although I believe that RP is scheduled to speak at all three events, what happened to his active support of them, particularly the DC March that *he himself requested*?
Since RP has ended his campaign, why hasn't he made any statements in support of *both* of the July events? The planning of the speakers and activities for both has been quite impressive. Why hasn't RP himself publicized that he will be speaking at them in his various interviews/speeches?
I am seeing those involved with both the Sturgis event and the DC March having their entire plans and all of their efforts challenged for "unity" (sound familiar?) at the RNC, because of *RP's actions* in relation to the dual RNC convention overshadowing everything.
If RP's new site, www.campaignforliberty.com, is intended to be news, a blog, and a forum, will that organization effectively eliminate DailyPaul, RonPaulForums, and RevolutionBroadcasting, as well?
If so, will the same rival groups carry the vicious flames/arguments (e.g., http://www.dailypaul.com/node/52430) over to CFL, as well? Lovely.
The real question becomes: Why would anyone *ever* volunteer to work SO VERY HARD FOR SO LONG for little thanks and to be on the receiving end of a lot of vindictiveness?
While all of you are reading this thread, all of those event organizers are likely stressing out with the coordination/resolution of thousands of "to dos" for MAJOR EVENTS and the financing to cover basic expenses of the events.
Do those involved with the CFL/dual convention have any idea of the thousands of tasks involved? Or will the dual convention be chaos?
How much harm did RP do to the July events by siphoning off his supporters from both of those events for the dual RNC?
Is there any risk that RP will back out of the dual RNC in the next week or two "for legal reasons" as his campaign did for the DC March?
And how much harm are those posting nasty posts about the July events doing to the credibility of those events and to the reputations of the posters themselves?
What kind of a start for CFL will it be if the factions truly split up the attendance, so neither of the July events nor the dual convention has enough attending to make a strong, positive impression?
Will the MSM even bother to add up the attendance to all three events as a measure of support for the CFL?
More importantly, what kind of "representatives" for CFL are the posters being for new visitors? And what happens if they start posting like that on CFL?
Liberty's great, but any community needs to have rules of behavior that they follow with mutually agreed-upon consequences for failure to follow them.
Just today, I copied these two articles as possible models:
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/...
Inviting robust conversation, but spelling out a few rules
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/...
Online discussion: What we'll allow, what we won't
Otherwise, it's not a community, but simply a mob that will destroy any CFL credibility from the outset because of the obvious, publicly visible factions.
That is already happening on DP today.





















damn, I was gonna let the post bury
But since someone bumped it back active I'll just say this
I think poor little Laurie has realized that her time and work here is done. It is so great to see all of you reject this nonsense. It's great to see that discernment and good judgement can weed out corrupt negative intentions and slap them down like the hind end of a jackass. Heyaw, Heyaw getty up jackass time to move along........just try to break up this movement and inject lies into truth and you'll get just what Laurie got. Rejection, reason, intellect, and honesty.....too bad for you Laurie you screwed up and let your emotions get the best of you...I think its about time you seek some professional help---thankyou for revealing to us that you are not a RP supporter or a member of the C4L or a member of the Revolution-you have showed by you fruits what you really are. We know that just because you put your name to something doesn't mean you mean it or are the real deal---you have taught us that....just by being you
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St. Paul was always the number one priority.
A strong showing there is more important than at any other event we attend.
That city should be inundated with Ron Paul supporters.
My five cents.
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more like a silver dollah to
more like a silver dollah to me
Garbage
Can we send this one to the dump already? Laurie's just now bumping her post with ad hominem attacks against people who respond to her poster.
http://killfiat.blogspot.com/
My summary reply to the many recent "devolving" posts
As usual, my beliefs as to the profound change for the worse of DP have been completely validated in the replies in this thread alone.
I used to visit DP as a primary source of many informative posts about various aspects of the world around us by highly intelligent people who were part of those functions through their jobs.
Now, based on many recent threads and posts, DP has devolved to a high school level of "MySpace" with flame threads dedicated to individuals and gang attacks by groups of people on the same individuals, and not just me.
In fact, the most recent posts come across as elementary school taunts/language-
Really a class act site, huh?
Are these really the people who will be influencing the future of our country? I certainly hope not!
It was interesting to note that the OK OK thread that triggered this thread of concern of mine has apparently been deleted.
So, I was not the only one concerned about the blatant divisions in that thread.
People brought up my opinions about SGP, when I specifically made no mention of him in my OP. Yet, SGP was one of the very first replies in the thread with the sole purpose of attacking me on one of his "driveby shootings".
Why does it feel like the younger generation has never seen the movie, "Bambi". Wasn't it there that the value was taught, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" was taught?
Did it ever cross a single person's mind to simply ignore the thread vs. posting "pot shots" throughout the day, what I refer to as "gang drive-by shootings"?
I wish to thank everyone 1) for keeping the thread on the Active List all day, 2) for truly validating my concerns in the OP about the extremely strong divisions within the RP supporters, and, most importantly, 3) for showing to all who read your posts, where you simply called me names and failed to address a single concern I expressed, a clear indication of what kind of people you are.
And if your posts are any indication of how you treat people in the "real world", you may very well be likely reasons that RP didn't get more votes.
D'ya think that the attitudes and lack of logical discussion expressed in this thread convinced a *single* person to vote for RP?
I see no indication that the posters in this thread have a clue as to what RP's value system is or the message he hopes to spread.
"Liberty" is not anarchy. I'd settle for the Golden Rule - have your posts treated me as you would wish to be treated?
Have your posts helped or harmed your ability to move up in the Campaign For Liberty organization?
To those of you who have others who know who you are behind the various screen names, would they ever risk giving you a business reference for a job based on the total lack of control that is so apparent in your posts?
And what any of you think about me or my beliefs couldn't be more irrelevant to me, because no one posted a single fact to dispute any of my concerns about the splintered RP supporter groups blatantly attacking each other in public posts that are captured by Google.
Personal attack posts with name-calling never convince anyone of anything, except that the poster is very childish and throwing the equivalent of a temper tantrum. Lots of "stamped feet" today-
The interesting thing is that, just as with Steve Parent, I don't have to convince anyone of anything.
Simply the passage of time will prove my concerns valid or not.
However, I sincerely hope that someone with the authority to address the critical issue of the obvious hostility among the splintered factions has read this thread and the other vicious threads on DP (and RPFs) today.
If so, maybe he or she can attempt to resolve that splintering before it destroys the hard work that so many have volunteered, as well as the large amounts of money that were donated to the Presidential campaign.
Oh please
get over yourself already
The DP is proof that the grassroots support for Ron Paul and his peaceful message of individual liberty is large, real, and not going away!
Comment by BigT from previous thread...................
"I think that the strength of our movement is that we are barely even able to agree, even among ourselves. The glue that holds us together is the desire for freedom, and to not be herded and oppressed, even though each of our personal views may be widely divergent on many subjects. This utter lack of consensus on almost everything, acts as a "filter" which rejects anything out of our goals that even resembles special interest, and leaves only freedom as the remaining consensus. As such, it is a uniquely "self-cleaning" movement. It's very interesting, and I've never seen anything quite like it. It creates an incredible armor against infection, due to its very nature. However, there is alot of contentiousness that comes along with it, but we seem to be able to survive that because it's individual views and not oppression.
The only thing that can move us is something that will bring us further along on our path for more freedom. There is no "special interest issue" or any other thing which can even begin to move us.
There is only one thing that binds this movement, and that is a direction that allows each and every one of us as individuals, to live in the freedom and peace that we seek for our own lives, without(or with very minimal) government interference.
That's why no other group even understands us, or can co-opt us, and why we have to do it ourselves. There is no outside help, unless we convert it. It's us against oppression."
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/52391#comment-515651
................Exceptional comment don't you think?
Very Interesting
observation. That makes our freedom movement even more solid. Can't herd cats.
This is an excellent comment - I agree
Never thought of it that way- but yes- if we all agreed on 9/11 being an inside job or that SGP was an asset/liability or that Bob Barr is the best thing since sliced bread then yeah...thats what the revolution would become. We keep our original simple goal of freedom and personal liberty when we fight off selling the revolution to the highest bidder (and believe me, some of you must be high to think Bob Barr would be a good president)(just teasing). We dignify and elevate the concepts of freedom and liberty when thats the only thing that we can all agree on..freedom and liberty become like cool rejuvenating water when the question is "what do we all agree we want to drink?"
You got a lot of nerve posting this,
After you made it your life's work to destroy SGP, you and your parrot sidekick justjenmi. You guys make me sick.
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SirFelix, shutup. I make
SirFelix, shutup. I make you sick? Well, the feeling's mutual.
Oh, and by the way ... I am not a fan of this thread myself. I do find Laurie just a TAD on the obsessive side.
What a useless C*NT
Go away - far a way you piece of SH*T!
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OMG Sonny... I hate that
OMG Sonny... I hate that word, but in this case you are 100% right!
garbage
garbage
T.
The only opposition we
The only opposition we freedom lovers have is from communists like Laurie and a few others here. Why not just delete your megaphone software and come join the human race and do the right thing.
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You Are Part of The Problem
There are 300 million people in the US. We are doomed if we can't have 3 big Paul supporter events around the country. Choose one you are going to attend, see how easy that was.
You need to get off the computer more. Just because 20 or 30 people on this site are fighting about which event to support, it does not matter.
I just came back from the Texas State Convention where hundreds maybe 1500 Paul supportering delegates came from across the state for a 3 day convention. Hundreds of others showed up in downtown Houston to see him give a speech at 9 pm on a Thursday.
There were 160,000 votes in Pennsylvania alone. If not matter how many show up at either event, it will not hurt us. It will only make a few on this site think that way.
A little bit of the glass half
being half full as compared to half empty mentality would go a long way with you.
Hey guess what we aren't asking you to take care of these thousands of extra tasks all by yourself. The people who are going to do it are willing to do it. So quit complaining and start doing something other than complain.
Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
Oruval, so just a temporary DP ban, huh?
Weren't you banned here on DP, per your own public post?
http://forums.libertylove.org/?q=node/245&page=2 oruval - Fri, 06/13/2008 - 18:02
Do you think it's appropriate to gossip about DP members behind their backs on public forums? Does that help "unity"?
http://forums.libertylove.org/?q=node/389
Note krmaya and Crickett publicly posted gossip, as well.
Are these the type of people you would *trust* to do anything?
It feels like "Survivor: The RP Movement".
In the business world, I wouldn't even talk with them at the drinking fountain!
Yeah that's me.
I said that. I have also hidden my IP that way I can visit the site as well as watch youtube videos that have been also blocked. Hey I am openly showing my distaste for some on this site here on this site. I don't hide anything.
But hey you keep up the good work there Laurie. Do you think I didn't know people would read that. Funny you point this out. I hope that you soon take the time and money to go dig up my my personal history just like you did to SGP. You can be comfortable calling the kettle black also
Don't try to play the does this help unity, game with me.
If anyone has been effective at splitting unity it is you. Plain and simple.
Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
LOL Gossip??? You don't
LOL Gossip??? You don't merit gossip...... but I do feel extremely sorry for you Laurie. That is why I lovingly suggested self love AND a vibrator. The world would be a better place. Really. Perhaps the cost? Oh of course.... how about a chip in?
krmaya, yet another LIAR caught by her own post?
Kerry got "swift boated" - campaigners in the upcoming elections will find that their "youthful" posts come back to haunt them, just as the "infamous newsletters" have done for RP for decades.
http://forums.libertylove.org/?q=node/389
krmaya - Thu, 06/12/2008 - 23:14
I followed SGP so little that I really didn't have an opinion of him one way or the other, but it looks like his own misdeeds have followed him. (why doesn't this happen to the Cheney Bush crowd???) Laurie was the one that offended me the most. She could have been 100% right in my eyes from the get go but her gloating malicious attitude was disgusting. Today I got this twisted thought that Laurie is SGP's dark alter ego like Norman Bate's mother and all her apparent intense loathing is actually Steve's self loathing. It was comic relief for myself (thank God because I am the only one that finds myself amusing)I hope whatever it takes for either of them to heal happens, because they are what give humans a bad name.
Crickett - Thu, 06/12/2008 - 23:50 That's pretty funny..lol. I got upset at Laurie, too, and never paid too much attention to SGP, but he did get me to look at robert's rules, and that was good..
Questions: Are your posts helpful or harmful to *Devon's* site? To DP? Will you be posting such gossip on CFL and harming it, as well?
Don't worry - if I ever see you about to walk in front of a truck, I won't attempt to warn you-
Great message you've taught me from RP, to just "move along".
laurie
I have asked you time and again what you have done to help this revolution.... I have never received an answer. I have seen how hard you have worked to divide and cause friction. You are a sad sad person! Please run out to walmart and see if China can supply you with a life!
ROTFLMAO!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!
WOW.
What are you trying to prove now? That people have opinions? You are laughable at best.
I am glad that I am Transparent. I have nothing to hide.
Why you are not open is what intrests me Laurie.
Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
LMAORF... Laurie do you feel
LMAORF... Laurie do you feel like eating flies!!??? Bzzzz Bzzz. My comment was goofy and remote. But Gossip? Gossip is saying something that is very likely true about somebody else, not voicing an imaginary image about someone and then giving my opinion that you give humans a bad name.... but then ... oh... I get it!!!!! What was I thinking you're not human Well why didn't you say so Laurie I certainly would cut you more slack !
we waited too long :(
I completely back the March don't get your pantie's in a wad.
But when Ron said it should be relatively soon.. we should have started packin our bags and just showed up.
Laurie, blah blah blah enough already!
The DP is proof that the grassroots support for Ron Paul and his peaceful message of individual liberty is large, real, and not going away!
What division?
Less than two days after asking for 100,000 members in two months Ron Paul's got 50,000 members. There is no division unless you're making one.
http://killfiat.blogspot.com/
CAUTION: No opt-out of public display of name on CFL?
RP2008.com had an *option* as to whether or not each contributor wanted his/her name publicly displayed. CFL does not appear to have that option, so 100% of the names of new members are displayed.
As we have recently seen, having a real name and city/state is enough to find out a great deal of very private information about people.
Searching for my own family members, I found that my full birthday MM/DD/YY is displayed (good thing I'm not an actress), which is halfway to identity theft.
So now you're scared?
If you're on this forum people can find out exactly who you are and where you are. If you're scared for standing up in this movement then step aside we'll get along fine without a talker and not a walker.
http://killfiat.blogspot.com/
Ask Steve Parent about publicly available information
Like his 22 felony convictions and the RipOffReport filed by his former bookkeeper?
(Sign in to see http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=142206 in "Hot Topics", since the thread on DP with the publicly available evidence was deleted).
Anyone who wants their real name, address, and phone number publicly available is simply dumb.
Employers are routinely "Googling" possible candidates on www.pipl.com and www.zabasearch.com. I have added Google alerts for my own real name and screen names. Interesting results.
Try your phone number in a Google search. If it's listed, the results give your name, your address, and a *map to your house*.
It's the first time in my life that I've changed my phone number to unlisted-