Anyone else bothered by Ron's vote to go into Afghanistan?

Even if it was a mistake--it's comforting, isn't it, to think even Ron Paul isn't cookie-cutter "perfect."? I know that when I was canvassing and explaining Ron Paul's position, it sure made it easier to explain how Ron Paul supports taking out real terrorists...some folks may not realize that Ron Paul is not a Pacifist---and we welcome you, pacifists---we don't need to divide each other.

You know, I don't even know or care about the whole earmark "scandal" - or if once Ron Paul voted for a ceremonial special day regarding a sporting event...Sometimes Ron Paul is just so perfect it's creepy!

Musician/Assistant Meetup organizer. Hear my stuff: www.myspace.com/americanpirates

It is an appropriate use of the military to retaliate against anyone who attacks this country. I have no problem with that.

However, it is, in a sense, like asking should we have gotten into WWII? The important question is why we got involved in WWI which laid the groundwork for WWII. If we had done the right thing with WWI there probably would not have been a WWII.

Going after the 9/11 perps is small potatos compared to the big questions regarding our foreign policy mistakes that led to 9/11.

I have to disagree with some viewpoints expressed. Dr. Paul voted 100@ correct and constitutional in voting yes to go after the perpetrators of 9/11 Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and to go after Osama Bin Laden. He expressly did not want to vote for "regime change" and nation building in Afghanistan (e.g. overthrow of the Taliban). The US and other troops would have found Osama Bin Laden & Co. if they concentrated on that. As the Bush administration did not stick to this mission, but changed it to a nation-building one (which Dr. Paul was afraid might happen...he had the right suspicion, therefore his doubts), Dr. Paul has expressed regret at voting yes. His yes vote was principally 100% justified and constitutional. This is no exception case where he voted wrong. Paul clearly did not vote to overthrow the Taliban etc. and this was also not part of the vote. The vote was to go after Osama Bin Laden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=porlux4erOs

From minute 4.50 Paul is addressing this issue in the interview with O'Reilly.
Dr. Paul should be commended for voting 100% correct in a difficult, stressful time and circumstances.

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CSV XMLRoll Call Votes: 107th Congress: House Vote #342 (Sep 14, 2001)
H. J. Res. 64 [107th]: Authorization for Use of Military Force (Vote On Passage)
House Vote #342 --- Sep 14, 2001
Result: Passed

Related Bill: H. J. Res. 64 [107th]: Authorization for Use of Military Force

Primary Source
This information comes from House Vote #342 on the House website . Totals & Party Breakdown
Total Democrat Republican Independent
Ayes: 420 (97%)
203 216 1
Nays: 1 (0%) 1 0 0
No Vote: 10 (2%) 5 5 0
Required: Simple Majority of 421 votes (211)

Votes
Vote
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Alabama
Aye AL-1 Callahan, H. [R]
Aye AL-2 Everett, Terry [R]
Aye AL-3 Riley, Bob [R]
Aye AL-4 Aderholt, Robert [R]
Aye AL-5 Cramer, Robert [D]
Aye AL-6 Bachus, Spencer [R]
Aye AL-7 Hilliard, Earl [D]
Alaska
Aye AK-0 Young, Donald [R]
Arizona
Aye AZ-1 Flake, Jeff [R]
Aye AZ-2 Pastor, Edward [D]
Aye AZ-3 Stump, Robert [R]
Aye AZ-4 Shadegg, John [R]
Aye AZ-5 Kolbe, James [R]
Aye AZ-6 Hayworth, John [R]
Arkansas
Aye AR-1 Berry, Robert [D]
Aye AR-2 Snyder, Victor [D]
Aye AR-4 Ross, Mike [D]
California
Aye CA-1 Thompson, C. [D]
Aye CA-2 Herger, Walter [R]
Aye CA-3 Ose, Doug [R]
Aye CA-4 Doolittle, John [R]
Aye CA-5 Matsui, Robert [D]
Aye CA-6 Woolsey, Lynn [D]
Aye CA-7 Miller, George [D]
Aye CA-8 Pelosi, Nancy [D]
Nay CA-9 Lee, Barbara [D]
Aye CA-10 Tauscher, Ellen [D]
Aye CA-11 Pombo, Richard [R]
Aye CA-12 Lantos, Tom [D]
Aye CA-13 Stark, Fortney [D]
Aye CA-14 Eshoo, Anna [D]
Aye CA-15 Honda, Michael [D]
Aye CA-16 Lofgren, Zoe [D]
No Vote CA-17 Farr, Sam [D]
Aye CA-18 Condit, Gary [D]
Aye CA-19 Radanovich, George [R]
Aye CA-20 Dooley, Calvin [D]
Aye CA-21 Thomas, William [R]
Aye CA-22 Capps, Lois [D]
Aye CA-23 Gallegly, Elton [R]
Aye CA-24 Sherman, Brad [D]
Aye CA-25 McKeon, Howard [R]
Aye CA-26 Berman, Howard [D]
Aye CA-27 Schiff, Adam [D]
Aye CA-28 Dreier, David [R]
Aye CA-29 Waxman, Henry [D]
Aye CA-30 Becerra, Xavier [D]
Aye CA-31 Solis, Hilda [D]
Aye CA-32 Watson, Diane [D]
Aye CA-33 Roybal-Allard, Lucille [D]
Aye CA-34 Napolitano, Grace [D]
Aye CA-35 Waters, Maxine [D]
Aye CA-36 Harman, Jane [D]
Aye CA-37 Millender-McDonald, Juanita [D]
Aye CA-38 Horn, Stephen [R]
Aye CA-39 Royce, Edward [R]
Aye CA-40 Lewis, Jerry [R]
Aye CA-41 Miller, Gary [R]
Aye CA-42 Baca, Joe [D]
Aye CA-43 Calvert, Ken [R]
Aye CA-44 Bono Mack, Mary [R]
Aye CA-45 Rohrabacher, Dana [R]
No Vote CA-46 Sanchez, Loretta [D]
Aye CA-47 Cox, C. [R]
Aye CA-48 Issa, Darrell [R]
Aye CA-49 Davis, Susan [D]
Aye CA-50 Filner, Bob [D]
Aye CA-51 Cunningham, Randall [R]
Aye CA-52 Hunter, Duncan [R]
Colorado
Aye CO-1 DeGette, Diana [D]
Aye CO-2 Udall, Mark [D]
Aye CO-3 McInnis, Scott [R]
Aye CO-4 Schaffer, Bob [R]
Aye CO-5 Hefley, Joel [R]
Aye CO-6 Tancredo, Thomas [R]
Connecticut
Aye CT-1 Larson, John [D]
Aye CT-2 Simmons, Robert [R]
Aye CT-3 DeLauro, Rosa [D]
Aye CT-4 Shays, Christopher [R]
Aye CT-5 Maloney, James [D]
Aye CT-6 Johnson, Nancy [R]
Delaware
Aye DE-0 Castle, Michael [R]
Florida
Aye FL-2 Boyd, F. [D]
Aye FL-3 Brown, Corrine [D]
Aye FL-4 Crenshaw, Ander [R]
Aye FL-5 Thurman, Karen [D]
Aye FL-6 Stearns, Clifford [R]
Aye FL-7 Mica, John [R]
Aye FL-8 Keller, Ric [R]
Aye FL-9 Bilirakis, Michael [R]
Aye FL-10 Young, C. W. [R]
Aye FL-11 Davis, James [D]
Aye FL-12 Putnam, Adam [R]
Aye FL-13 Miller, Dan [R]
Aye FL-14 Goss, Porter [R]
Aye FL-15 Weldon, David [R]
Aye FL-16 Foley, Mark [R]
Aye FL-17 Meek, Carrie [D]
Aye FL-18 Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana [R]
Aye FL-19 Wexler, Robert [D]
Aye FL-20 Deutsch, Peter [D]
Aye FL-21 Diaz-Balart, Lincoln [R]
Aye FL-22 Shaw, E. [R]
Aye FL-23 Hastings, Alcee [D]
Georgia
Aye GA-1 Kingston, Jack [R]
Aye GA-2 Bishop, Sanford [D]
Aye GA-3 Collins, Michael [R]
Aye GA-4 McKinney, Cynthia [D]
Aye GA-5 Lewis, John [D]
Aye GA-6 Isakson, John [R]
Aye GA-7 Barr, Bob [R]
Aye GA-8 Chambliss, C. [R]
Aye GA-9 Deal, Nathan [R]
Aye GA-10 Norwood, Charles [R]
Aye GA-11 Linder, John [R]
Hawaii
Aye HI-1 Abercrombie, Neil [D]
Aye HI-2 Mink, Patsy [D]
Idaho
Aye ID-1 Otter, C.L. [R]
Aye ID-2 Simpson, Michael [R]
Illinois
Aye IL-1 Rush, Bobby [D]
Aye IL-2 Jackson, Jesse [D]
No Vote IL-3 Lipinski, William [D]
Aye IL-4 Gutierrez, Luis [D]
Aye IL-5 Blagojevich, Rod [D]
Aye IL-6 Hyde, Henry [R]
Aye IL-7 Davis, Danny [D]
Aye IL-8 Crane, Philip [R]
Aye IL-9 Schakowsky, Janice [D]
Aye IL-10 Kirk, Mark [R]
Aye IL-11 Weller, Gerald [R]
Aye IL-12 Costello, Jerry [D]
Aye IL-13 Biggert, Judy [R]
Aye IL-14 Hastert, J. [R]
Aye IL-15 Johnson, Timothy [R]
Aye IL-16 Manzullo, Donald [R]
Aye IL-17 Evans, Lane [D]
Aye IL-18 LaHood, Ray [R]
Aye IL-19 Phelps, David [D]
Aye IL-20 Shimkus, John [R]
Indiana
Aye IN-1 Visclosky, Peter [D]
Aye IN-2 Pence, Mike [R]
Aye IN-3 Roemer, Timothy [D]
Aye IN-4 Souder, Mark [R]
Aye IN-5 Buyer, Stephen [R]
Aye IN-6 Burton, Dan [R]
Aye IN-7 Kerns, Brian [R]
Aye IN-8 Hostettler, John [R]
Aye IN-9 Hill, Baron [D]
Aye IN-10 Carson, Julia [D]
Iowa
Aye IA-1 Leach, James [R]
Aye IA-2 Nussle, James [R]
Aye IA-3 Boswell, Leonard [D]
Aye IA-4 Ganske, Greg [R]
Aye IA-5 Latham, Thomas [R]
Kansas
Aye KS-1 Moran, Jerry [R]
Aye KS-2 Ryun, Jim [R]
Aye KS-3 Moore, Dennis [D]
Aye KS-4 Tiahrt, Todd [R]
Kentucky
Aye KY-1 Whitfield, Edward [R]
Aye KY-2 Lewis, Ron [R]
Aye KY-3 Northup, Anne [R]
Aye KY-4 Lucas, Kenneth [D]
Aye KY-5 Rogers, Harold [R]
Aye KY-6 Fletcher, Ernest [R]
Louisiana
Aye LA-1 Vitter, David [R]
Aye LA-2 Jefferson, William [D]
Aye LA-3 Tauzin, William [R]
Aye LA-4 McCrery, James [R]
Aye LA-5 Cooksey, John [R]
Aye LA-6 Baker, Richard [R]
Aye LA-7 John, Christopher [D]
Maine
Aye ME-1 Allen, Thomas [D]
Aye ME-2 Baldacci, John [D]
Maryland
Aye MD-1 Gilchrest, Wayne [R]
Aye MD-2 Ehrlich, Robert [R]
Aye MD-3 Cardin, Benjamin [D]
Aye MD-4 Wynn, Albert [D]
Aye MD-5 Hoyer, Steny [D]
Aye MD-6 Bartlett, Roscoe [R]
Aye MD-7 Cummings, Elijah [D]
Aye MD-8 Morella, Constance [R]
Massachusetts
Aye MA-1 Olver, John [D]
Aye MA-2 Neal, Richard [D]
Aye MA-3 McGovern, James [D]
Aye MA-4 Frank, Barney [D]
Aye MA-5 Meehan, Martin [D]
Aye MA-6 Tierney, John [D]
Aye MA-7 Markey, Edward [D]
Aye MA-8 Capuano, Michael [D]
Aye MA-10 Delahunt, William [D]
Michigan
Aye MI-1 Stupak, Bart [D]
Aye MI-2 Hoekstra, Peter [R]
Aye MI-3 Ehlers, Vernon [R]
Aye MI-4 Camp, David [R]
Aye MI-5 Barcia, James [D]
Aye MI-6 Upton, Frederick [R]
Aye MI-7 Smith, Nick [R]
Aye MI-8 Rogers, Michael [R]
Aye MI-9 Kildee, Dale [D]
Aye MI-10 Bonior, David [D]
Aye MI-11 Knollenberg, Joseph [R]
Aye MI-12 Levin, Sander [D]
Aye MI-13 Rivers, Lynn [D]
No Vote MI-14 Conyers, John [D]
No Vote MI-15 Kilpatrick, Carolyn [D]
Aye MI-16 Dingell, John [D]
Minnesota
Aye MN-1 Gutknecht, Gilbert [R]
Aye MN-2 Kennedy, Mark [R]
Aye MN-3 Ramstad, James [R]
Aye MN-4 McCollum, Betty [D]
Aye MN-5 Sabo, Martin [D]
Aye MN-6 Luther, William [D]
Aye MN-7 Peterson, Collin [D]
Aye MN-8 Oberstar, James [D]
Mississippi
Aye MS-1 Wicker, Roger [R]
Aye MS-2 Thompson, Bennie [D]
Aye MS-3 Pickering, Charles [R]
Aye MS-4 Shows, Ronnie [D]
Aye MS-5 Taylor, Gene [D]
Missouri
Aye MO-1 Clay, William [D]
Aye MO-2 Akin, W. [R]
Aye MO-3 Gephardt, Richard [D]
Aye MO-4 Skelton, Ike [D]
Aye MO-5 McCarthy, Karen [D]
Aye MO-6 Graves, Samuel [R]
Aye MO-7 Blunt, Roy [R]
Aye MO-8 Emerson, Jo Ann [R]
Aye MO-9 Hulshof, Kenny [R]
Montana
Aye MT-0 Rehberg, Dennis [R]
Nebraska
Aye NE-1 Bereuter, Douglas [R]
Aye NE-2 Terry, Lee [R]
Aye NE-3 Osborne, Thomas [R]
Nevada
Aye NV-1 Berkley, Shelley [D]
Aye NV-2 Gibbons, James [R]
New Hampshire
Aye NH-1 Sununu, John [R]
Aye NH-2 Bass, Charles [R]
New Jersey
Aye NJ-1 Andrews, Robert [D]
Aye NJ-2 LoBiondo, Frank [R]
No Vote NJ-3 Saxton, H. [R]
Aye NJ-4 Smith, Christopher [R]
Aye NJ-5 Roukema, Marge [R]
Aye NJ-6 Pallone, Frank [D]
Aye NJ-7 Ferguson, Michael [R]
Aye NJ-8 Pascrell, William [D]
Aye NJ-9 Rothman, Steven [D]
Aye NJ-10 Payne, Donald [D]
Aye NJ-11 Frelinghuysen, Rodney [R]
Aye NJ-12 Holt, Rush [D]
Aye NJ-13 Menendez, Robert [D]
New Mexico
No Vote NM-1 Wilson, Heather [R]
Aye NM-2 Skeen, Joseph [R]
Aye NM-3 Udall, Tom [D]
New York
Aye NY-1 Grucci, Felix [R]
Aye NY-2 Israel, Steve [D]
No Vote NY-3 King, Peter [R]
Aye NY-4 McCarthy, Carolyn [D]
Aye NY-5 Ackerman, Gary [D]
Aye NY-6 Meeks, Gregory [D]
Aye NY-7 Crowley, Joseph [D]
Aye NY-8 Nadler, Jerrold [D]
Aye NY-9 Weiner, Anthony [D]
Aye NY-10 Towns, Edolphus [D]
Aye NY-11 Owens, Major [D]
Aye NY-12 Velazquez, Nydia [D]
Aye NY-13 Fossella, Vito [R]
Aye NY-14 Maloney, Carolyn [D]
Aye NY-15 Rangel, Charles [D]
Aye NY-16 Serrano, José [D]
Aye NY-17 Engel, Eliot [D]
Aye NY-18 Lowey, Nita [D]
Aye NY-19 Kelly, Sue [R]
Aye NY-20 Gilman, Benjamin [R]
Aye NY-21 McNulty, Michael [D]
Aye NY-22 Sweeney, John [R]
Aye NY-23 Boehlert, Sherwood [R]
Aye NY-24 McHugh, John [R]
Aye NY-25 Walsh, James [R]
Aye NY-26 Hinchey, Maurice [D]
Aye NY-27 Reynolds, Thomas [R]
Aye NY-28 Slaughter, Louise [D]
Aye NY-29 LaFalce, John [D]
Aye NY-30 Quinn, Jack [R]
Aye NY-31 Houghton, Amory [R]
North Carolina
Aye NC-1 Clayton, Eva [D]
Aye NC-2 Etheridge, Bob [D]
Aye NC-3 Jones, Walter [R]
Aye NC-4 Price, David [D]
Aye NC-5 Burr, Richard [R]
Aye NC-6 Coble, Howard [R]
Aye NC-7 McIntyre, Mike [D]
Aye NC-8 Hayes, Robin [R]
Aye NC-9 Myrick, Sue [R]
No Vote NC-10 Ballenger, Cass [R]
Aye NC-11 Taylor, Charles [R]
Aye NC-12 Watt, Melvin [D]
North Dakota
Aye ND-0 Pomeroy, Earl [D]
Ohio
Aye OH-1 Chabot, Steven [R]
Aye OH-2 Portman, Robert [R]
Aye OH-3 Hall, Tony [D]
Aye OH-4 Oxley, Michael [R]
Aye OH-5 Gillmor, Paul [R]
Aye OH-6 Strickland, Ted [D]
Aye OH-7 Hobson, David [R]
Aye OH-8 Boehner, John [R]
Aye OH-9 Kaptur, Marcy [D]
Aye OH-10 Kucinich, Dennis [D]
Aye OH-11 Jones, Stephanie [D]
Aye OH-12 Tiberi, Patrick [R]
Aye OH-13 Brown, Sherrod [D]
Aye OH-14 Sawyer, Thomas [D]
Aye OH-15 Pryce, Deborah [R]
Aye OH-16 Regula, Ralph [R]
Aye OH-17 Traficant, James [D]
Aye OH-18 Ney, Robert [R]
Aye OH-19 LaTourette, Steven [R]
Oklahoma
Aye OK-1 Largent, Steve [R]
Aye OK-2 Carson, Brad [D]
Aye OK-3 Watkins, Wes [R]
Aye OK-4 Watts, J.C. [R]
Aye OK-5 Istook, Ernest [R]
Aye OK-6 Lucas, Frank [R]
Oregon
Aye OR-1 Wu, David [D]
Aye OR-2 Walden, Greg [R]
Aye OR-3 Blumenauer, Earl [D]
Aye OR-4 DeFazio, Peter [D]
Aye OR-5 Hooley, Darlene [D]
Pennsylvania
Aye PA-1 Brady, Robert [D]
Aye PA-2 Fattah, Chaka [D]
Aye PA-3 Borski, Robert [D]
Aye PA-4 Hart, Melissa [R]
Aye PA-5 Peterson, John [R]
Aye PA-6 Holden, Tim [D]
Aye PA-7 Weldon, W. [R]
Aye PA-8 Greenwood, James [R]
Aye PA-9 Shuster, William [R]
Aye PA-10 Sherwood, Donald [R]
Aye PA-11 Kanjorski, Paul [D]
Aye PA-12 Murtha, John [D]
Aye PA-13 Hoeffel, Joseph [D]
Aye PA-14 Coyne, William [D]
Aye PA-15 Toomey, Patrick [R]
Aye PA-16 Pitts, Joseph [R]
Aye PA-17 Gekas, George [R]
Aye PA-18 Doyle, Michael [D]
Aye PA-19 Platts, Todd [R]
Aye PA-20 Mascara, Frank [D]
Aye PA-21 English, Philip [R]
Rhode Island
Aye RI-1 Kennedy, Patrick [D]
Aye RI-2 Langevin, James [D]
South Carolina
Aye SC-1 Brown, Henry [R]
Aye SC-3 Graham, Lindsey [R]
Aye SC-4 DeMint, Jim [R]
Aye SC-5 Spratt, John [D]
Aye SC-6 Clyburn, James [D]
South Dakota
Aye SD-0 Thune, John [R]
Tennessee
Aye TN-1 Jenkins, William [R]
Aye TN-2 Duncan, John [R]
Aye TN-3 Wamp, Zach [R]
Aye TN-4 Hilleary, Van [R]
Aye TN-5 Clement, Robert [D]
Aye TN-6 Gordon, Barton [D]
Aye TN-7 Bryant, Ed [R]
Aye TN-8 Tanner, John [D]
Aye TN-9 Ford, Harold [D]
Texas
Aye TX-1 Sandlin, Max [D]
Aye TX-2 Turner, James [D]
Aye TX-3 Johnson, Samuel [R]
Aye TX-4 Hall, Ralph [R]
Aye TX-5 Sessions, Peter [R]
Aye TX-6 Barton, Joe [R]
Aye TX-7 Culberson, John [R]
Aye TX-8 Brady, Kevin [R]
Aye TX-9 Lampson, Nicholas [D]
Aye TX-10 Doggett, Lloyd [D]
Aye TX-11 Edwards, Thomas [D]
Aye TX-12 Granger, Kay [R]
Aye TX-13 Thornberry, William [R]
Aye TX-14 Paul, Ronald [R]
Aye TX-15 Hinojosa, Rubén [D]
Aye TX-16 Reyes, Silvestre [D]
Aye TX-17 Stenholm, Charles [D]
Aye TX-18 Jackson-Lee, Sheila [D]
Aye TX-19 Combest, Larry [R]
Aye TX-20 Gonzalez, Charles [D]
Aye TX-21 Smith, Lamar [R]
Aye TX-22 DeLay, Thomas [R]
Aye TX-23 Bonilla, Henry [R]
Aye TX-24 Frost, Jonas [D]
Aye TX-25 Bentsen, Ken [D]
Aye TX-26 Armey, Richard [R]
Aye TX-27 Ortiz, Solomon [D]
Aye TX-28 Rodriguez, Ciro [D]
Aye TX-29 Green, Raymond [D]
Aye TX-30 Johnson, Eddie [D]
Utah
Aye UT-1 Hansen, James [R]
Aye UT-2 Matheson, Jim [D]
Aye UT-3 Cannon, Christopher [R]
Vermont
Aye VT-0 Sanders, Bernard [I]
Virginia
Aye VA-1 Davis, Jo Ann [R]
Aye VA-2 Schrock, Edward [R]
Aye VA-3 Scott, Robert [D]
Aye VA-4 Forbes, James [R]
Aye VA-5 Goode, Virgil [R]
Aye VA-6 Goodlatte, Robert [R]
Aye VA-7 Cantor, Eric [R]
Aye VA-8 Moran, James [D]
Aye VA-9 Boucher, Frederick [D]
Aye VA-10 Wolf, Frank [R]
Aye VA-11 Davis, Thomas [R]
Washington
Aye WA-1 Inslee, Jay [D]
Aye WA-2 Larsen, Rick [D]
Aye WA-3 Baird, Brian [D]
Aye WA-4 Hastings, Doc [R]
Aye WA-5 Nethercutt, George [R]
Aye WA-6 Dicks, Norman [D]
Aye WA-7 McDermott, James [D]
Aye WA-8 Dunn, Jennifer [R]
Aye WA-9 Smith, Adam [D]
West Virginia
Aye WV-1 Mollohan, Alan [D]
Aye WV-2 Capito, Shelley [R]
Aye WV-3 Rahall, Nick [D]
Wisconsin
Aye WI-1 Ryan, Paul [R]
Aye WI-2 Baldwin, Tammy [D]
Aye WI-3 Kind, Ronald [D]
Aye WI-4 Kleczka, Gerald [D]
Aye WI-5 Barrett, Thomas [D]
No Vote WI-6 Petri, Thomas [R]
Aye WI-7 Obey, David [D]
Aye WI-8 Green, Mark [R]
Aye WI-9 Sensenbrenner, F. [R]
Wyoming
Aye WY-0 Cubin, Barbara [R]

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Get the hell out of here!

hjschaapman

In terms of catching Bin Laden, if this story is to be believed

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article729856.ece

Not a good decision. If it's true, which is not certain.

but I should have known it wouldn't get past all the astute Paulites!

...

Just remember trolls...deep in the back of your mind... you know you have to go to sleep sometime!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=609ry15lzMo

So how many of you are paid and how many are just loser jerks?

(presumably like they may be over Barr's vote on the Patriot Act & Iraq) by Ron's vote to go into Aghanistan? nope. Hope this has been helpful in some way.