Justcantgetenough's problem with Constitutional Freedoms.
I feel that it's my Right to defend myself and bring up an important situation.
When some one decides to trash my Heritage who fought in the Revolutionary War and claim I have done nothing for Constitutional Freedom a real problem exists.
This reflection of one very out spoken Bob Barr supporter on this site has brought to light a real disconnect from what the Revolution stands for.
No longer is it a matter of an exchange of ideas when it comes to this sort of blatant disregard of why we are all here. Which is Ron Pauls platform of Constitutional Freedoms. When is enough enough?
Excuse me for my obscene language posted in the link below but this sort of occurence needs to stop. If people are here and do not care about Consitutional Freedoms they should not be a part of the discussion.
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f325/oruval/yep.jpg
I rest my peace.
P.S. in not a single post that I have ever seen from him has justcantgetenough ever termed CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOM and put it into usage.
I think Ron Paul has made it very clear.
We have a 2 party system that is very broken. Neither Barr nor Baldwin have a chance. I believe the Campaign for Liberty is all about getting new people elected at the local level on up, and growing from there. The good guys are just outnumbered right now. I will not spend my time supporting Barr (he is not Ron Paul, or even close), nor will I vote for him. Explain to me how I am wasting my vote my writing in Ron Paul, as opposed to voting for Barr or Baldwin just so they might make a slight impression of strength for their party? My efforts will be local, and my vote is mine to do with what I choose. At least for the time being.
I know the vote will not be counted.
As far as the Republican party realizing that they lost a lot of Ron Paul supporter's votes..... I think you give the GOP a bit too much credit. A vote for Barr will not count either. As we have all seen at our county and state conventions the corruption of the GOP is immense, and for you to believe that they would be remorseful for losing our votes to 3rd party candidates, is a bit naive. This game of politics that they play contains the same players each time. We must begin at a local level and grow from there. If I voted for anyone other than Ron Paul it would be Baldwin not Barr.
I prefer to think of it as
I prefer to think of it as hopeful instead of naive, but I hear you. I am by no means certain it will be effective. I also think that those who are inclined should become active in the Repubican Liberty Caucus and try to get libertarian Republicans in local office and to make themselves known for the next time around.
It is not going to be easy, but I am doing what I think is the best for the cause. But when it comes to voting for President this year (assuming no miracle makes RP a nominee) I think everyone is going to have to vote his conscience. These discussions on this board are ony going to help those who have not made up their minds.
You know if you make both those trolls respond
You put up a awesome comment. Good job chip. I agree with you entirly
The war on your mind -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klSek88t54w
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Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/
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If you will read my posts I
If you will read my posts I have never told anyone not to write in Dr. Paul. I have suggested what I consider to be the best strategy.
Piss off, oruval.
Hey btw.
Did you ever figure out how buildings made of high grade steel can magically collapse into a pile of nothing from fire and minimal fire damage. I am talking about WTC 7 in case you're wondering.
The war on your mind -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klSek88t54w
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
If we can't vote for Dr. Paul consider a vote for Constitutional Freedom, consider Chuck Baldwin -- http://baldwin2008.com
Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
Indeed, it is not difficult
Indeed, it is not difficult at all. The building sustained significant damage in addition to much more than minimal fire damage to weaken the steel support causing the inevitable collapse.
Do you happen to know if any buildings surrounding the WTC had to be torn down due to significant damage from falling debris?
hahaha..
Troll. There were many other buildings closer than WTC 7 that had sustained extreme amount of damage some being ripped almost in half by the flying debris from the Demolition of WTC 1 & 2. which never collapsed and had to be torn down.
The war on your mind -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klSek88t54w
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
If we can't vote for Dr. Paul consider a vote for Constitutional Freedom, consider Chuck Baldwin -- http://baldwin2008.com
Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
Don't waste your time. Ignorance IS Bliss :)
Why is it that the people who have questions regarding 9/11 are called conspiracy therorist? You don't have to jump right in and say it was an inside job. I believe that at minimum they let it happen, but that is not the point. The truth is the 9/11 truthers only want answers to questions that need to be answered. There are way too many lies. Ron Paul wants a new and private investigation as well.
I hear you.
People need to realize that everything that will destroy the US is because of this false war on terrorism. That is why I remain dilligent.
The war on your mind -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klSek88t54w
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
If we can't vote for Dr. Paul consider a vote for Constitutional Freedom, consider Chuck Baldwin -- http://baldwin2008.com
Find out if you have a local militia - http://www.uaff.us/
Real Patriots for 9/11 truth -- http://patriotsquestion911.com/
If McCain loses, the
If McCain loses, the Republican Party will begin analyzing why they lost. If there are a number of libertarian voters who are recorded as voting for a 3rd party, they will conclude that Barr "stole" the votes since the Republican Party rejected RP Republicans. Then they will try to bring the libertarian wing of the party into more of the mainstream.
At least that is my hope.
If you write-in Ron Paul, in most cases that vote will not even in counted, except perhaps in the Other category.
Because it won't be counted
or reported. Dr. Paul is not filing the papers to be a write in. No one will see your vote, but you. It's just an act of idle self indulgence. Dr. Paul suggest you do not right him in either.
""I don’t think that’s very productive," Paul said of a write-in campaign. "They could do it, of course, but in most of the states it won’t count. If they can change the rules in a primary and not count all the votes, imagine what they could do with write-in votes!" http://www.reason.com/news/show/127030.html http://www.libertymaven.com/2008/06/16/ron-paul-on-the-write...
Wolf Blitzer: "What do you think about Barr?"
Ron Paul: "Well I think he's running a very important race, and I'm encouraging him. I haven't endorsed him, but he's saying the kind of things I like to be heard and said. I hope he does real well. But, we also have Chuck Baldwin who runs on the Constitutional Party. His views are very very close to mine, and he worked very hard in my campaign. So for me to pick one over the other is not easy. I hope they both together get a lot of votes." http://www.dailypaul.com/node/52615
By the way, it has nothing to with "having a chance." Dr .Paul didn't have much of a chance either. It's about using the presidential elections as a means to spread the message of liberty. Either Barr or Baldwin need 15% polling to get in the debates and counter McCain and Obama. It's not about becoming president.
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Hmm
How about Libertarians don't have a chance.
ONE WEEK & 3 DAYS!!!
That's how long Justcantgetenough has been here....
Nuff said....
Oruval... we got your back....
Justcantgetenough.... go to dailybarr and ask why he voted for the Iraq War, the Patriot Act and the War on Drugs (then stay there)
"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"
"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"
What do you mean by that?
"One week & 3 days."
Why do people announce how long others have been here? What's the point of that? Is it like an "I'm cooler than you because I've been here longer," or what?
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Yes... I'm cooler than you
From the first minute you showed up, you were posting with your BarrBomb tags, etc.
It is very obvious that your JOB is to come here solely to try and steal RP supporters from this site...
You have claimed to be a RP supporter in the past, but if that was the case, you might have been here BEFORE Dr. Paul suspended his campaign.....
IT IS SO COMPLETELY OBVIOUS!
Now go away....
"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"
"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"
That he does not support much about
the Constitution if anything should tell us everything about the person he is supporting.
LOL
I do support the Constitution. Don't believe everything you read. I don't support ALL of it, like the 16th Amendment, which I, like Dr. Paul, believe should be repealed.
Speaking of Barr, he also supports repealing it.
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to make peace
you are both wonderful human beings filled with the light we lost when exiting paradise..........
how about being positive and accepting?
the river has many currents..........
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...get even. Support the
...get even.
Support the only candidate for liberty and the Constitution! Write-in Ron Paul!
And I don't know about you, but I wouldn't trust any candidate or "supporter" who tries to discourage from voting for Ron Paul.
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You don't trust Dr. Paul?
Dr. Paul has discouraged people from writing him in. He said that "I don't think that's very productive," and he said that he hopes Barr and Baldwin together get a lot of votes.
""I don’t think that’s very productive," Paul said of a write-in campaign. "They could do it, of course, but in most of the states it won’t count. If they can change the rules in a primary and not count all the votes, imagine what they could do with write-in votes!" http://www.reason.com/news/show/127030.html http://www.libertymaven.com/2008/06/16/ron-paul-on-the-write...
Wolf Blitzer: "What do you think about Barr?"
"Well I think he's running a very important race, and I'm encouraging him. I haven't endorsed him, but he's saying the kind of things I like to be heard and said. I hope he does real well. But, we also have Chuck Baldwin who runs on the Constitutional Party. His views are very very close to mine, and he worked very hard in my campaign. So for me to pick one over the other is not easy. I hope they both together get a lot of votes." http://www.dailypaul.com/node/52615
Sure sounds like he's trying to pursuade us to MOVE ON to actual candidates to me. Dr. Paul is no longer a candidate. Why can't you get that through your head? It's time to ACCEPT reality.
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I will vote for Barr..
but really, you arent helping in any way.
Stop being so divisive and insulting. I can respect those that wish to write in Paul. I may disagree, but I understand their reasoning.
This is a place for civil discussion and debate.....but stop pushing so hard. You are hurting more than Barr. You are hurting the cause of liberty.
What was uncivil
about what I just said?
You have to take it in context, to what JKap has been doing here. It's not just this message.
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But it is just this message...
...you are actively discouraging myself and other supporters not to vote for Ron Paul. Do you understand that?
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing
If you care about liberty, you should not be writing in Ron Paul. He is not registered as a write-in, so most of those votes will never been seen or reported. It's POINTLESS. If the write-ins would be counted and reported, that would be another story.
If you're campaigning to get people to waste their votes, all you're doing to making everything Dr. Paul did a waste of time. He was trying to get people to accept libertarian ideas. What's the point of that if they're not going to make their voices heard? Writing him in is not making your voice heard. No one will hear your voice but you. I consider you campaigning AGAINST the campaign for liberty, whether you can realize it or not.
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There ya go...
you're discouraging supporters from voting for Ron Paul. And you call youself a "supporter"?
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Of course I'm a Ron Paul supporter
Do you even know what being a Ron Paul supporter means, properly understood? It means you support the message of liberty, regardless of who is carrying it. Dr. Paul tried to tell you cultists over and over, "it's about the message." You still haven't got it. Dr. Paul's campaign was never about Dr. Paul. It was never even about becoming president, from his perspective and from the perspective of probably most of his donors, because he knew that the chances of that were extremely small. It was about using the presidential campaign process as a means of spreading the message of liberty. That's what the campaign for liberty is.
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I would believe you are what you say you are
but this is sheer evil from you.
(9/11 "Truthers": Please don't support Barr. You'll hurt his public image and cost him support and votes, like you did to Dr. Paul).
Ron Paul wants a new independent (this time) investigation into the events of 9/11.
Hundreds of thousands of people suffer illness because of toxic air...the government said was clean.
have a look at the latest Dennis Kucinich impeachment of Bush/Cheney regime 35 reasons.
we are at liberty to do evil.
you do it.but not for long.
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Dr. Paul and 9/11investigation
He supports an investigation to figure out how was INEPT at figuring how that the terrorists were coming. That's has nothing to do with the 9/11 inside job theories, and those conspiracy theorists' idea of an investigation. Don't twist Dr. Paul's intent.
See: www.PaulitesAgainstTruthers.com
Also see the Glenn Beck Show interview from yesterday, where he again makes clear what he means by supporting an investigation and distances himself from the Truthers that have plagued his campaign.
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Well...
it wasn't that particular post I was referring to..but you are insulting.
Take your signature in that post though.
9/11 truthers were a driving force behind RP's success. I am one of them. I worked hard for him. I never asscociated my 9/11 truth with him.