CEASE FIRE: A plea for civility within the Liberty Movement (On Barr, Baldwin, and moving forward in a mature fashion)

The Daily Paul is Dedicated to restoring Constitutional Goverment and I will do that anyway I can. If I feel like Barr is doing just that, I will promote it here, there and everywhere.

I realize that my post about the 'Barr Spammers' probably was the catalyst for creating this post, and I would like to offer a rebuttal. Your post is well thought out and well written, and I actually spent some time thinking about each of your points. I think that in an ideal world, you would be mostly correct in your views, but due to the fact that our 'enemies' (meaning the neocon establishment and their supporters) are insidious, cunning, and shrewd, it is obvious that we DON'T live in an ideal world. Unfortunately, the methods I've employed are necessary in order to reveal the true nature and motives of a few posters here at the DP whom I FULLY believe are full time employees of the neocon camp, sent here to the DP to distract, confuse, and divide the true patriots of this all important Revolution. It has been proven that these guys operate under multiple screen names, and change them regularly when they get caught, exposed, and blackballed. To prove my point, here's a couple of quotes from BillyDee (who I believe to be the same guy as bedr1, preferred, bedr1, onevoice, minichrist, JFEJ004, and others)

"I change my username every week or so. When you think I'm gone in a few days, I'll actually still be here under another name. I like keeping people on their toes. I may actually start changing it daily." Billydee

"Trust is Irrelevant".Billydee

These guys have no integrity, and the constant changing of usernames shows that plainly. If they were sincere and honest, they wouldn't need to do this. There is no need for being 'covert' and evasive when your motives are sincere. These are the same guys who have colluded in the past to delete important posts regarding 9/11 and other topics which were actually having an impact, and which are incredibly vital to the fight for liberty in which we are now involved.

So to address some of the points in your post:
I (and most other DPers ) have no problem with liberty and personal choice..... People can vote for Bob Barr, Baldwin, Santa Clause, or Satan for that matter, if they want to. What we DO have a problem with is the CONTINUOUS spamming here for a candidate (Barr) who voted for the Patriot Act, and in whom perceptive Revolutionaries have little to no trust. This site is a Ron Paul site. These guys don't respect others on this site and are constantly trying to marginalize solid positions which are presented here on crucial issues.
"I'm convinced that most people on this forum are complete idiots. There are a few intelligent people, but most are idiots or crazy." preferred

I agree that many other DPers support Barr and have a different postion than the rest of us who don't trust him. That is their right and healthy discussion and debate is a good thing. I am merely trying to expose the one or two 'members' here who are strictly working to undermine the momentum of the Ron Paul Revolution..... the ones who evade direct questions, use circular arguements, change user names every couple of days, and who 'talk to themselves' via different user names in an attempt to fool and manipulate others into believing that they have support for an indefensible position.

I also tend to disagree with you that being agressive in the search for and presentation of truth in ANY form is harmful to the movement. I understand that certain topics are contriversial (9/11 in particular), but it is those very topics which hold the key to defeating the entire neocon powerbase. If we hold back the truth in order to 'spare someone's feelings' etc, then we are just as guilty of manipulation as the neocons, MSM, etc. The revolution is based on truth, personal responsibility, and the fact that A is A.... that reality is reality and must be dealt with accordingly. When we omit important truths and edit content to make the message more 'appealing' then we compromise the very integrity which give the Revolution it's power. The thing about the truth is that no matter how ugly it is, it can't be changed, and therefore can be depended on to be a constant... an absolute.
The fact that these clowns are here all day, every day, doing nothing but attempting to detract from the truth of 9/11, the dubious nature of Bob Barr etc, shows that we have them scared. What's more, it shows that either they don't have a job, or more likely that spreading disinfo IS their job. I, for one, am not going to sit back and be 'nice' and 'tolerant' of people whose sole motivation and purpose here is to undermine the very priciples of liberty that I would give my life to defend.

So, say what you will, I refuse to sit back and be passive when it comes to those who obviously want the Revolution, 9/11 truth, and Liberty to fail. I will be as mean, aggressive, and juvinile as it takes to expose these disinfo ass clowns for what they are.

"Doc" Holladay
Nashville, TN
http://www.myspace.com/docholladaymusic

I see Barr supporters simply posting his major media appearances. Most Barr interviews mention Dr. Paul. Why not hear them. I rarely see Barr supporters attacking Baldwin for no reason. They are coming across the the much more civil ones.

You have the basic point right. The angry anti Barr ones are the people who were out front in the beginning of Pauls run giving us a bad name.

I will gladly accept a cease fire... if the bob barr trolls would quit spamming thier propaganda. I think that action alone would end MOST of the conflict on this site. Now i'm even getting private emails from these trolls trying to intimidate me... Puh-lease. Just get back to talking about freedom and not endorsing your candidate (Bob CIA Borring - who is severly lacking) and most people will be on your side.

Aku Soku Zan

to awake folks everywhere I would say Ron Paul/Jesse Ventura 2008............

but..........

it can still happen.