The fractured Revolution.
Submitted by GalacticWacko on Fri, 06/20/2008 - 23:22It has occurred to me the Revolution has fractured. Ron Paul brought together all the other third parties as well as some dems and some reps and some people that haven't even voted before. There was and still is much momentum. But it is now not AS unified. Some people say VOTE BARR, some people say VOTE NADER, some people say VOTE BALDWIN, some say WRITE IN RON PAUL, some think we can still win the GOP NOMINATION.
Meanwhile, the telecoms just got immunity. Martial law drills are taking place all over the country. The biggest grain producing region in the world has been destroyed, Israel is about to attack Iran, the dollar is dumping and the two major candidates are nothing more than puppets to the powers that be.
The Dems in congress are no different than the reps. The President is making it quite clear that those that say the US in nothing but a Corporation are absolutely correct. (here is a lil vid on that part, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIHYs6x7lPs
The way I see it now. We may get a few in congress that are Ron Paul supporters. maybe. But not much to make a difference. The media is still controlled and the internet monster will soon be thrown in the cage as well.
The fractured Revolution is exactly what the NWO wants. They are happy to see us waste time and money bickering about which little party we plan to support.
What needs to be done is to bring all those little parties together and make them one. Ron Paul chose NOT to run third party. He claims NO BALLOT access. Meanwhile, Nader, Barr, and Baldwin are all willing to leg it out. Waiting til the convention will bring nothing but broken hearts and lost dreams. Sure it will be a fun time and get a little attention. But then what? Obama or Mccain become President... if we have an election at all!
I really do not see the point in running off in all different directions arguing over where should the RP supporters go? Where the hell do we go? RP won't endorse anybody and I am sick of trying to decipher cryptic messages in his appearances.
We need to unite under one party and throw our support behind them. This is a splintered Revolution and we have been reduced to little bands of renegades scattered to the four winds.
and by the way...
How the hell did Nader get on the ballot in all the states?
I do not think what you have
I do not think what you have said merits a "fractured" comparison. How about freedom of thought? I personally would never vote for Barr since he is just a cia plant as far as I am concerned. If I vote for anyone it will be to write in Ron Paul or maybe Chuck Baldwin. Nader is just a socialist waiting to explode in my opinion. But it really doesnt matter who you vote for, the results are already decided. The 2000 campaign was a wakeup call for the neocon zionist, the vote will forever be tainted as long as they are supplying voting machines with no paper trails.
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should have a candidate running for President.
Ron Paul has ended his campaign, and as such our chances for getting a "Ron Paul" type candidate elected to President have been drastically reduced.
SHOULDN'T THE CAMPAIGN FOR LIBERTY HAVE A CONTENDER IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE? I NOMINATE/DRAFT JESSE VENTURA.
It should be obvious by now, that the RNC will never give Ron Paul the nomination. Only by supporting a 3rd party candidate like Jesse Ventura, can we reasonably hope to restore our constitution.
Ron Paul will not leave the Republican party, but we could elect someone who is in a 3rd party.
Time is short people, and pursuing a 1% chance with the RNC is more foolish than pursuing a 25% chance with Jesse Ventura on a third party ticket.
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But I have to admit that I particularly like Ventura as a possible candidate and would strongly consider voting for him if the write-in option was the only other available option.
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Dr. Paul has said many times that early on he knew his chances of winning were slim to none. He told us this early in the campaign. We all still rallied around him. Not because it is about him but because it is about the message.
I had the privilege of getting to vote for Dr. Paul the first time he ran for President. He is my Representative now and I am proud to vote for him every two years. With the events of this campaign people are starting to listen to him. It used to just be we libertarian kooks.
It is hard to lead a libertarian movement because libertarian minded people are not generally the kind of people who join "power organizations". Dr. Paul has shown us we are not alone in our beliefs. The Revolution belongs to us. Spread the message.
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That is where this must lead in the end. Every one of us claiming our liberty, not waiting for Ron Paul or anyone else to lead us to it. The day WE end the Fed - ie, stop using their money and credit cards, is the day WE liberate ourselves. The Fed is the government is the NAU is the NWO... Every time we use their money, we reaffirm our slavehood.
I try to remember to "poke the NWO in the eye" - x over the eyeball - on every dollar bill I get. Cheap entertainment is the best kind!
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
Its all about perspective.
If people want to obsess over short term questions (eg. who to vote for in November, what person is the "better" candidate, which symptom of global fascism is most urgent, etc.) and feel threatened by differing opinions, then movement will be fractured.
If instead we maintain a long term perspective over the many fundamental issues that brought us together (the constitution, the Fed, sound money, sane foreign policy, individual freedom, etc.) then we will grow stronger with each passing day.
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Fortunately, I don't think
Fortunately, I don't think Daily Paul necessarily represents all of Ron Paul's supporters. Rather it seems to bring out the more radical and vocal of his supporters. Don't be disheartened by what you read here. I think that that the key to the presidential election is to not vote for McCain or Obama, and preferably not Nader.
You have been here a whole week pal.
The daily paul reperesents a wide array of all types of Ron Paul supporters. Because even though we have our differences we are all Drawn to the message of Constitutional Freedom that Ron Paul stands behind.
So next time just keep your pie hole shut instead of spreading nonsense.
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ron paul
never actually took charge of his campaign. what he failed to understand is that a campaign needs a leader and he never led. It is in peoples nature to look to someone to lead and Ron Paul failed. We handed it to him but he never gave us what we needed, leadership".
He kept talking about how we are doing it all spontaneously but we were looking to him.
He said he never asked for money, why not?
He should have set goals for us through his website. He did not have to address us directly but had he addressed those in the official campaign on his website we would have taken our cues from there.
So the last chance was that he would approach Jesse Ventura and have him as his running mate. That would have invigorated the campaign like nothing else.
When Ron Paul was cut off in one of the debates he should have stood up and voiced his opinion. Instead he folded and behaved like a meek sheep.
Finally then he drops out before the convention pulling the rug out so now we will never know what could have been...
I'm afraid I must agree.
RP didn't want the job in the first place. He is quoted on video saying just before entering the Charles Goyette radio show "If you believe like we do,than you don't want the stupid job in the first place"
He had to be convinced to do it. He never had the fire in his belly to really want it,or convince others outside the circle.
The campaign was only successful because of the fire the supporters had in their bellies,and the hunger for an end to corruption. It certainly was not because of the incompetent boobs in his HQ.
His last statement on "the situation room", was vague, as were many others.
When he was asked about accepting a VP slot from McStain,he replied with " A most definite probable no." How can you say "most definite" and "probable" in the same sentence?
A few statements he has made have been vague,only trying not to lose support or hurt others feelings.
He WAS very meek in the debates,to the point of letting others run over him and mock him. I plead with him to take off the gloves,and to take these guys to the mat.
He needed that fire that he had on the Morton Downey Jr. show in the 80's
All this said, I am still so happy for RP because he finally got the respect he so deserved. I makes me so happy to see his surprise at the amount of diehard support he has.
I will always love and respect him,even if he is just human, and makes mistakes.
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what?
The did ask for money and they set mini goals on the site. The money bombs were spontaneous but the campaign did ask for money all the time. At first I was put off by it then I respected it and the consistency and gave.
I think this is why Dr. Paul announced the end of his campaign
I think he's trying to send the message to move on to other candidates, instead of wasting write-ins on him or wasting efforts trying to draft him to run 4th party.
Our focus needs to be on Barr and Baldwin. Now, those two need to get together and cut a deal for one of them to drop out, because splitting our support is just going to keep both of their polling low which will keep the message of liberty out of the debates and the news. If they don't do this, then Dr. Paul needs to step up to the plate and endorse one of them.
Nader is out of the picture, because the Paul supporters that choose to support him never understood Dr. Paul in the first place.
Clearly Dr. Paul is signaling that he doesn't want us to write him in:
"Well I think [Barr] is running a very important race, and I'm encouraging him. I haven't endorsed him, but he's saying the kind of things I like to be heard and said. I hope he does real well. But, we also have Chuck Baldwin who runs on the Constitutional Party. His views are very very close to mine, and he worked very hard in my campaign. So for me to pick one over the other is not easy. I hope they both together get a lot of votes." http://www.dailypaul.com/node/52615
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Does that make any sense at all when Ron Paul
had more support than the other candidates you mentioned.
I think Ron Paul is to blame
Yes
because there was no way he could win the election. The primaries were over and he had less than two dozen delegates. A nomination would have been a practical impossibility. Dr. Paul didn't enter the presidential campaign to become president anyway. He knew full well that him being elected was extremely unlikely, due to the lack of popularity of the libertarian or strict-Constitutionalist message. He just entered the race in order to use it as a platform to teach people about liberty. That's what you have to understand.
No candidate with his views can win a presidential election in America. For that to happen requires a long processs of converting a lot more people to those ideas.
Barr and Baldwin are just two more guys running, not expecting to win, but just wanting carrying the torch (i.e. the message), and get in the debates to influence Americans.
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Correction
Dr. Paul was initially running for the message yes, but later to get the presidency. He has more than two dozen delegates FYI (you seem to be late on the stage, to know how it works) and there are several hundred of delegates that are interested in voting for him.
Of course a candidate with his views can win, Bush won in 2000 on a platform of non-interventionism, no nation-building and a "Reagan" (not Bush 1) Republican".
Many other people are well acquinted with the message of limited govt, those that voted for Goldwater and Reagan.
I agree with many of the comments below - we are not fractured
except on who we should vote for for president.
But this is not about any one person, but rather about ideas.
I can respect anyone who supports Barr, Baldwin, or Nader
It would be nice to have enough unity to get one of these men into the debates, but even if we don't, pushing the ideas of liberty will be enough.
In fact, maybe the CFL can sponsor its own debate between these three candidates.
That is a really really good idea
I think. Get it on CSPAN or PBS even better.
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I'm thinking that this has a
I'm thinking that this has a high viewing potential. Just think of the growth possibilities for the Campaign for Liberty.
I like your last idea
a lot. Given the choice between a "debate" between McCain and Obama, or, an intelligent discussion between Nader, Barr, Baldwin (and Paul?) ....well, I know what I would listen to!
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Music to my ears. Where do
Music to my ears. Where do we start?
We are just debating
I see what your saying and yeah i will probably support Baldwin, but im also waiting to see what Dr. Paul does, if he tells me to support Barr then i will. Im sure if he doesnt get in at the end as a third party he will let us know who would be the best choice after all he did start the CFL so he will probably tell us who would be best for the movement and thats who ill vote.
I think he gave us our
I think he gave us our answer when he said "To us, the presidential election is irrlevant now.."
Revolutions, by definiton, are fractured.
When all the pieces come together our work will be done. The seemingly chaotic brew of ideas and action will yield the most satisfying results.
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Don't be discouraged! It's not fracturing, our ideas are...
multiplying! There used to be one candidate talking about the Federal Reserve... now there's two maybe more. There used to be one man in Congress discussing non-interventionist foreign policy... hopefully with our help there will be many more!
This is just the end of the beginning and if you ever think this movement is falling apart just tune into our show... We will be there!
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The Gardener
I remember that RP once said that one of his favorite hobbies is gardening.
IMO, all of us are now part of his "Revolution Garden". He has sown the seeds and we are seeing all sorts of things sprout! Make no mistake, there are certainly weeds among us.
We have to be patient and do research on our own because after all, he did say we are smart enought to figure out who to support.
I'm going to sit back and watch the garden. If RP don't suggest someone that would be good to vote for, I'll just pick the prettiest bloom I can find, hope for the best and plan for the worst.
Are you saying we're all sprouts? :-)
I like your garden analogy. Very nice.
As a matter of fact
I am saying that....:)
He's been tending this garden for 30 years now and I would bet you that he thinks this is the best year he's ever had. Very productive...I'm on a ballot for the very first time... as a Committeeman. (maybe I'm a blooming idiot)
Glad you liked it.
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Yeah what's up with that?!
Yeah what's up with that?! The "write-in league" outside DP deciding to back Barr?
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