George Carlin: Religion is BS

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What a great man for having the courage to tell the truth:
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May 12 1937 - June 22 2008

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The world of Rumi is neither exclusively the world of a Sufi, nor the world of a Hindu, nor a Jew, nor a Christian; it is the highest state of a human being — a fully evolved human. A complete human is not bound by cultural limitations; he touches every one of us. Today Rumi's poems can be heard in churches, synagogues, Zen monasteries, as well as in the downtown New York art/performance/music scene." According to Professor Majid M. Naini Rumi's life and transformation provide true testimony and proof that people of all religions and backgrounds can live together in peace and harmony. Rumi’s visions, words, and life teach us how to reach inner peace and happiness so we can finally stop the continual stream of hostility and hatred and achieve true global peace and harmony.

In other verses in Masnavi, Rumi describes in detail the universal message of love:

Love’s nationality is separate from all other religions,

The lover’s religion and nationality is the Beloved (God).
The lover’s cause is separate from all other causes
Love is the astrolabe of God’s mysteries.

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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul

I like to think of religion

I like to think of religion and spirituality as being two entirely different concepts.

I don't much agree with religion. For me, it's the dogmatic arm of spirituality. Religion is the set of rules that govern a person's action, not an effort to answer the eternal question of the meaning of life. Religion has been used throughout the ages by the most evil of people, those wolves in sheeps clothes that hide behind their robes and claim to be holier than thou, yet often are themselves the biggest hypocrites out there. Religion is basically a way for the ruling class to control the ignorant masses.

Spirituality, on the other hand, is the attempt to understand why we are here, and thus is a more noble and worthy pursuit.

"Spirituality, on the other

"Spirituality, on the other hand, is the attempt to understand why we are here, and thus is a more noble and worthy pursuit."

There is no "why." We are here because that's what happened. There need not be a "meaning" to life in order to live a meaningful one. "Spirituality" of any stripe is pure nonsense.

You might be better satisfied by philosophy, which attempts to tackle some of the big questions without delving into supernatural mysticism and mumbo-jumbo.

Read some David Hume.

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you are correct.
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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul

Your quote

"Religion is basically a way for the ruling class to control the ignorant masses".
is quite radical. There are Christian theologians that says Christianity is not a religion... Any case, the christian religion is a deeply person matter, prayer and does not stand against reason. Belief is "a-rational" and not necessarily "anti-rational". Religion has a rational and emotional "component"/side.
You can say that religion has been MISUSED by some in history, this is NOT the same as religion being used, for they fail to understand religion. Religion is focused on the eternal, not the material. And most of the evils things in the world has been committed by atheists (Stalin etc.).

Your "definition" could just be like a quote from any Communist handbook, which leads one to suspect/ask whether you are really a supporter of Ron Paul and liberty.

speculor

you misunderstood him.
the use of religion to cause mass hardships wars and mass control over humans is proven...
we do not want to fight and destroy religion per se.
we want to attain a higher level of understanding of our own inside and therefore unite in peace and love everywhere.
there is a God spark a God particle in every human being...we just have to cast away the veils covering it!

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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul

noble and worthy

The attempt to understand why we are here is indeed a noble and worthy pursuit. Slap on to that pursuit the label "spirituality" and sign me up as an evangelist. Go spirituality!

And there is nothing wrong with hypothesizing the possible existence of some supernatural intelligent and all-powerful conscience being, and wondering about that.

But claiming or actually believing that such a being exists (which is of course the precept of any religion), that's going way beyond attempts to understand, or hypothesize, about the possibility of such an existence.

As to why we are here. I believe each of us is to discover and create our own purpose. But one concept I can't accept is a god who would create us for the purpose of serving him. That's very juvenile and reminiscent of immature and ignorant parents who raise their children in order to serve them.


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tell me

do you believe in love?, e.g. love of family, husband/wife etc? ANd if you do,
how can you "explain" it rationally. Can you see, touch, explain "love" ? No. Does this mean love does not exist? No.
The Christian religion is about LOVE of God in the first place, not servitude...then again, servitude is also an act of love.

explaining love

Love is a fascinating blend of instinct, emotion and conscious choice.
At it essence, love is valuing the interests of another as much as, or more than, your own.
Can we see it or touch it? Of course not. But that does not mean we cannot comprehend it, and describe it in words. I just did.

But we cannot comprehend or describe "God" in words, because there is nothing to comprehend or describe.

The emperor has no clothes.
Religion -- the assertion that "god" exists -- is BS.


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"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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I tell you what I'll say a prayer for you.

I don't need to go to church I'll do it right here. I pray for everyone in the liberty movement every day.

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Hey, we actually agree on

Hey, we actually agree on something. :-)

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Children are not born with defects because of original sin

If you want to know why they are born that way ask your father.

John 8:38
38 I speak what I have seen with My Father , and you do what you have seen with your father ."

some of your fathers handy work.
Luke 23:28-29
"Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children . 29 For indeed the days are coming in which they will say, 'Blessed are the barren, wombs that never bore, and breasts which never nursed!'

This is how my Father feels about children.
Matt 18:12-14
12 "What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? 13 And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.

Luke 18:16-17
16 But Jesus called them to Him and said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of God. 17 Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it."

As for the question who is God.
Acts 17:22-34
22 Addressing the Areopagus

Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, "Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; 23 for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription:

TO THE UNKNOWN GOD .

Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 Nor is He worshiped with men's hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.' 29 Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising. 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead."

32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, "We will hear you again on this matter." 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.

As for discribing my Father. I can do one better I can discribe both my Father and your father

Your father
Gal 5:19-24
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

My Father
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love , joy, peace , longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

As for why I pity George. I pitty him for wasting so much time becoming so smart that he believed that all the answers resided in himself. And that he was so sure in his belief of non belief that he did everything he could in his power to beat down others who had found a love greater than any love they had known. It is not a sign of intelligence to belittle someones spiritual beliefs when you have never been blessed with the experience yourself. A wise man would ask questions of how to gain this experience for himself. From the years I've noticed that George actually hated his father (at least that is how he made it apear). For this I pity him because Its a terrible thing to not have the love of your father. Of course if his dad was a bad person I can understand him not being close but feel sorry for him that he never recieved this most special bond between a father and a son. I would think that would make him want to know his Father who created him that much more to fill the void. I hope he did before he died. I also pity him because while he beliettles my Father who gives him life. He actually does his true fathers work and it shows by the words and actions coming out of his body. Every person has a father and they all while do the work of one of them there is no other option. one you chose the other is the default (original sin effects grown ups! Also most children with defects are the most sweet souls on this planet. Its a blessing God brings to them for the disfigurment caused by the work of your father. As for storms that kill people. Storms are part of the nature of this planet. They has many useful purposes. God only uses wheather to fulfill prophacy in the working of signs and wonders. also back to the ant and algibra. The ant might not comprehend algibra however that doesn't mean its not real. If an ant could talk he would tell you that you are ignorant there is no such thing but me and you both know there is. The ant could call you stupid and do everything in his power to refute the idea of algibra and me and you would just laugh. I find myself laughing quit alot in this thread.

You would have more credibility is you spell-checked

Wise people check their spelling, punctuation, and grammar before they post, instead of posting run-on sentences, grammar errors, spelling errors, and punctuation errors that make their spiels unreadable.

Wise people also don't overdose on the Kool-Aid. It appears you did.

Wise people just use Firefox

Wise people just use Firefox and fix the underlined words. ;-)

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Play nice Tannim...

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"I have once heard that the ability to resist temptation is the truest measure of a mans character."

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"Papillion"

He Knows the Truth Now

I admired his forthrightness and humor but am always saddened by those who are blinded to faith.

Funny, I'm saddened by those who are blinded BY faith

IOW, keep an open mind in *both* directions.

Yet another wave of atheists

Yet another wave of atheists swoop down upon us to whine. These people are not real America supporters. They are part of the zionist plan to break down society.

Ron Paul 2012

Just another thread

To be freedom lovers and RP supporters the atheists do like to push their personal atheistic agenda and opinions on DP...frequently...There are some believers who make occasional posts but the atheists are busy little beavers...at least one a day. The freedom of religion, specifically stated in the 1st amendment, is one area that one would think would not be an area of attack by staunch supporters of the Constitution.....Why "religion" bashing is some people's topic of passion is beyond me....But like Carlin...we will all die someday and discover who was right - or wrong -...seems like we could just be respectful and wait our turn.
I'm not trying to convert any atheists...but I do wonder what their DP agenda might be and how it relates to Ron Paul? Are they trying to turn people away from religion and make converts to atheism? Make fun of religious people because they think they are intellectually superior? Are angry and dislike religion so much they spend a lot of time posting against it? Or to just start a controversy? I really wish one would provide the basic reasoning/purpose behind all the anti-religious posts on DP and what positive outcome they hope to achieve by presentation.

Take a hike

Go to your church and pray for guidance, you need it

Incoherence

In one thread I'm accused of being anti-Semitic, and here it's implied I'm a zionist.

That's right, it's a conspiracy of anti-Semitic zionists to break down society so that... ummm... well the purpose of that is ... some unknown but surely nefarious reason. Yeah, that's it!


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Wrong answer.

Growing up catholic and learning science and astronomy led me to my insight that their is no quote unquote GOD from whom we are made after. Now as far as being "Spiritual" it means "Knowledge" the "Light" I am no such Zionist and am atheist when it comes to dogmatic religions and astro-theological books written by men. I consider myself spiritual tho.

You want to break down society start dumbing down the public like the educational system is doing so they can't understand physics and thermodynamics and believe such acts as 9/11 are really feasible without explosives.

Next thing you know well be back in the middle ages burning people at the stake for questioning religion.

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Interesting talk about religion

I would like to ask him how he feels about spirituality. Religion, to me, are the ridiculous rituals people feel they have to perform to be obedient to God, when in reality they are paying homage to the church they attend. Spirituality, to me, is acknowledging a faith in God and the communal spirit we all share and can learn and grow from.

Well put!

Faith is personal.
Religion is the communal watering down of personal faith.

Which is more fulfilling to the mind and sprirt?

Pretty obivous to me: FAITH.

what is "faith in God"?

The phrase "faith in God" is meaningless unless you define what you mean by God.

One of the purposes of religion is to provide a definition of God (of course, each religion provides its own definition which contradicts those provided by other religions).

So, what do you mean by "God"? What characteristics do you believe God has?

I mean, if you mean by God something as vague as Spinoza's God (God is nature), then even Einstein, Richard Dawkins and I are believers. But that is not the God claimed and believed to exist by religions, or by most monotheistic believers, so far as I know.


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I'm sorry you feel that way

I do not. You do not have to teach a child to lie. You do have to teach them to tell the truth...in my experience, which is really what your argument rests on, children for as adorable as they are, are born doing what is wrong.
I couldn't disagree with you more on this and I truly wish I could change your mind...but I do give you my word that I will fight for as long as I live for you to freely express your opinion.

okay

Oh, because children sometimes lie they are "born in sin"? I'm sorry, but that's pathetic. Children lie because they are ignorant about the downsides of lying. They lie because it seems expedient. That's what they need to be taught. That lying is not in their interest, certainly not in the long run, and often not in the short run either.

The most effective way to teach is by example.
And when you tell them you "know" god exists, you are lying to them, because there is no way that you can know that to be true. So you are teaching them to lie, by example, because sooner or later they are going to figure out that there is no way you can know this. Yet you claim you do.

The emperor has no clothes. Religion is BS. Carlin understood this. And you can too.


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"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

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Religion, a TRUE religion

Religion, a TRUE religion only teaches peace and morality. Whats wrong with that? When ancient religious texts are used as a land deed or when religion is used as a religion and a race, then thats where the big difficulty comes into play. Religion in and of itself is not bad. Its the people who use religion/race to gain things at others expense is what causes all the misery in the world.

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No, it's the religion itself that's the problem

See my post below for a short answer to what's wrong with religion. The problem lies in the precepts of religion, which means it's inherent.

Better yet, read the books "God Delusion" and "God is not Great" by Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens respectively.

It's a concept that can be challenging to grasp, but I'm sure you can do it. It takes time, though. Not unlike the value of understanding and appreciating liberty.


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