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Vital Info to study: Political Ponerology and Psychopaths

What is REALLY wrong with our leaders?

For all of my life, one of my greatest interests has been to understand the nature of human evil, and deception is one of the primary characteristics of evil people.

Quotes from researchers:

"Imagine – if you can – NOT HAVING A CONSCIENCE, NONE AT ALL, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken.

Now add to this, the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless.

For most people, evil is something you find in prisons or slums. They simply do not think of people who have money and dress nicely as being evil. But successful psychopaths do not end up in prisons or slums. They can be bankers, physicians, professionals of any stripe, politicians, even leaders of nations."

Here's a subject area that people in our movement need to be familiar with so we have a better understanding of the world we live in - and how the minds of the elite work. NO MOVEMENT WILL EVER SUCCEED THAT DOES NOT FACTOR PSYCHOPATHY AND PONEROLOGY INTO ITS CONSIDERATIONS!"

POLITICAL PONEROLOGY – "A science on the nature of evil adjusted for political purposes”.

http://www.ponerology.com/

Trick of the Psychopaths's Trade: Making us believe that evil comes form others:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/148141-The-Trick-of-the-Ps...

Link to the excellent, informative article "Twilight of the Psychopaths":

www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/01/02/02073.html




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ESTP personality?

If you read about the ESTP (Jung) personality (not all would be psychopaths though), it sounds VERY similar to what is being described. The ability to blend in, looking at others as naive, and when they go bad, they make the most gifted con artists. The psychopath probably is a little too dominant in the "T", or thinking function as opposed to feeling.

I dated someone like that. She was fun, attractive, and VERY sought after. But she was one of those femme fatales.

I'm an ENFP, as I would imagine a higher than normal percentage of Ron Paul supporters are since his views are consistant with our natural tendencies.

This is a great old thread!

This is a great old thread! Thanks for digging it up. But here we are, more than three years later, and we are still stuck in the same class; Psychopaths 101. Time to advance to the next lesson, folks, and learn about the real problem with psychopaths. We must awaken to the fact that a criminal cabal of psychopaths has taken over our very government! We must realize that the problem in our government goes way beyond the puppets; it begins with the psycopathic puppetmasters, themselves! We must look beyond government at the oppressive choke-hold that many elite psychopaths, like the Koch brothers, and their legislation control groups, like ALEC, have on our government. They have held us hostage long enough! Their stranglehold becomes even tighter every time they convince us that we should allow them to privatize our public policy or destroy a union or control a media outlet or buy off a congressman or take our social security or stomp out a new green power alternative or buy their way out of an ecological disaster or buy their way into new legislation which permits even more ecological catastrophy.
It is time to name NAMES, so we can call them OUT from the shadows and shine a LIGHT on them! I've named the Koch brothers. Is there anyone here who has the courage to name and call out others, then to SHINE A LIGHT ON THEM? Won't some of you help in the revolution to take our government out of their hands and put it back into the hands of the people? The pen is still mightier than the sword... Spread the word. Name the names. Do it NOW! Don't wait another 3 years! Now is the time to begin speaking truth to power,
in order to awaken the population to the creeping fascism engulfing this nation. The truth plainly spoken, when it reaches the ears of almost any citizen, can be a very powerful thing. Removing the plutocratic sociopaths and psychopaths from power is the most important thing we can do for ourselves, for our families, for our communities, for our nation, and for the world!

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Some need to know info

on psychopaths.

If you are unfamiliar with what makes them tick and who can be considered a psychopath then please check out the links in this thread.

Ron Paul is My President

Could it be caused by "natural hormones'?

Maybe some of them don't start as psychopaths but something changes inside them on their rise to power?
A bit of barnyard biology.
It is well documented that as animals become high status in a dominance hierarchy their level of testosterone increases (both males and females). It is also well documented that higher levels of testosterone are associated with more violent behavior. I don't know if higher levels of testosterone lead to paranoid behavior as well, as it is difficult to measure a chickens level of paranoia, but I would imagine it would.
I don't know for a fact, if the human hormone system reacts similarly but being very social creatures with a formal social hierarchy, and noted for their intense pursuit of status, one could suppose they would.
I could imagine that most high level politicians probably started with a higher than normal level of testosterone and the closer they get to the top the higher their levels of testosterone rise, leading to aggression, and maybe even paranoid behavior.
Could this also be a partial explanation for the propensity of leaders to go to war?

Probably not

Good theory, and I might have thought so if I didn't have experience boosting my own testosterone un-naturally. But maybe if they are mean to begin with, it's different.

No change in personality for me, just body composition. The only lasting effect was the chest hair I never had before, and never went away. ;-)

Study this topic

You'll find out most of the research points to psychopathy being genetic.

AOC, You said......

"For most people, evil is something you find in prisons or slums. They simply do not think of people who have money and dress nicely as being evil. But successful psychopaths do not end up in prisons or slums. They can be bankers, physicians, professionals of any stripe, politicians, even leaders of nations."

I was once a prison guard and I also lived in a homeless shelter for three months. I can tell you that poor, slum dwelling people are alot safer to me than most prison guards and politicians.

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True true

I've also noticed that you shouldn't be afraid of the guy walking down the street that has long hair, a bunch of tatoos and piercings. He may look freaky, but he's REAL - what you see is what you get. We should be more afraid of the guy in the business suit that looks perfect, because quite often, that is just an act.

BUMP

For exposing the maniacs...

Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death.”
– Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Convention

“The Internet is the first thing that humanity has built that humanity doesn't understand, the largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had." - Eric Schmidt

As someone else observed

on a parallel thread, if we don't understand our adversary, we will not only lose, they will destroy us.

Bringing it back

Informing others who might not know otherwise.

I'm going to dig up some other important posts..

just read the "Psycopath" article..

haven't had time to read the rest, but that was a great read. Everyone needs to read this article, and if you don't believe me....read the comments below. :O)

"Civilization, as we know it, is largely the creation of psychopaths. All civilizations, our own included, have been based on slavery and “warfare.” Incidentally, the latter term is a euphemism for mass murder."

Wow, Armor, the book on 'ponerology' sounds like this might

end up being one of 'those books' to read in order to understand' how 5% of the population controls the other 95%.

While there are some very positive trends in humanity that are a direct threat to these evil ones, there is going to be some very shocking information in this book, especially to those who really haven't a clue what is behind the curtain of the 'psychopaths' running our world right now.

Just as long as I sprinkle my life with some cheerful humor and some dreamy endeavors, I think I might read this book.

Please do

It's expensive, but we all should read it.

Always a great reminder

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The plain, shocking truth

I just read the http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/01/02/0... article and am still feeling a little stunned and overwhelmed. It is SO obvious, why could I not see if before? If you don't read another thing the rest of the month, read this and pass it along to your email list.

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BOHICA!!

Oh yeah

Glad you had that "ah ha" moment. Yes, once you read this material once, you instantly recognize the traits they are talking about. Keep researching and pass the info along!

psychopaths

interesting, I saw this last night while I was at work. I will go to those sites and read your links. Thanks, I agree people do need to be aware of this. Before I really started digging and learning more about all the corruption going on in this country I read the book by Robert D. Hare, PhD, ""Without Conscience. It was very chilling and helped me really understand the actions of people in power. Things that would horrify normal people, like Ruby Ridge, Waco, 9/11 etc., don't even phase the people that are involved in commiting these horrific acts. They don't have a conscience. Glad you brought the subject up, I never wanted too. You can't just go off and label some one a psychopath or a sociopath, but if you understand what they are it changes how you understand and perceive what they are up too. They are very frightening.

chinkadaro

I think

but do not quote me, that you have to fulfill a certain number of criteria to get the label of psychopath.

Note that the psychological communuity is trying to replace psychopathy with the more politically correct and watered down "anti social" label, which actually throws out some of the most vital criteria needed to recognize such behavior.

Gee, now I wonder who would be pushing for something like that?

agreed

yes, it's been some time since I read the book but I think you are correct in there being criteria in the labeling (hate that word label) of a psychopath. Also it isn't something for the untrained. But understanding the basics workings of how someone without a conscience functions is good to know, at least for me. I don't think the psychological community can, but of course it wouldn't stop them, from going to a more soft "anti-social" label because in my opinion I agree with you that it throws out some of the most vital criteria. Guess we do know who would be pushing for something like that.
Robert D. Hare, Phd was the developer of the world's most widely used tools for assessing psychopathy. Chilling stuff.

chinkadaro

Hare's work

is of paramount importance for anyone who wants to undertand how psycopaths operate. They are doing all they can to water-down his conclusions.

Why don't you start your own blog or webpage?

Instead of using this forum for your anti-masonic tirades and bumping your own posts nonstop.

This thread is about

Political Ponerology and Psychopaths and is very vital info for all to study; it has nothing to do with the Masons. I have no idea why you're complaining about this thread. I guess you don't like people learning about these truths either.

intersting

intersting

Yes

very very interesting. It really makes you think.

Good stuff

Did you know that corporations (recognized as individuals) MUST be psychopaths?
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0120-03.htm

I've heard this before

Basically a corporation, if it were human, would be a psychopath. And it's in the 14th amendment??

Gee, I wonder who pushed for "personhood"?

Perhaps the psychopaths that have used this corporate personhood as a shield for their consciousless actions?