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Vital Info to study: Political Ponerology and Psychopaths

What is REALLY wrong with our leaders?

For all of my life, one of my greatest interests has been to understand the nature of human evil, and deception is one of the primary characteristics of evil people.

Quotes from researchers:

"Imagine – if you can – NOT HAVING A CONSCIENCE, NONE AT ALL, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken.

Now add to this, the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless.

For most people, evil is something you find in prisons or slums. They simply do not think of people who have money and dress nicely as being evil. But successful psychopaths do not end up in prisons or slums. They can be bankers, physicians, professionals of any stripe, politicians, even leaders of nations."

Here's a subject area that people in our movement need to be familiar with so we have a better understanding of the world we live in - and how the minds of the elite work. NO MOVEMENT WILL EVER SUCCEED THAT DOES NOT FACTOR PSYCHOPATHY AND PONEROLOGY INTO ITS CONSIDERATIONS!"

POLITICAL PONEROLOGY – "A science on the nature of evil adjusted for political purposes”.

http://www.ponerology.com/

Trick of the Psychopaths's Trade: Making us believe that evil comes form others:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/148141-The-Trick-of-the-Ps...

Link to the excellent, informative article "Twilight of the Psychopaths":

www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/01/02/02073.html



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Anyone make the connection yet

between psychopathic behavior, and the characters pushing for a New World Order? It is estimated that 1% of the population is involved in the NWO, and around 4% of the population could be termed psychopathic. So I would venture that most involved in the NWO are psychopaths, but not all psychopaths are involved in the NWO.

And to the ones that talked about religion being used to control us by psychopaths..does anybody remember..the Pharisees? How about the "Book of Enoch" (booted out of the bible on purpose) that relates a sort of "two-seed" theory? Or the Dead Sea scrolls version of Genesis 4:1?

Most involved in the NWO are psychopaths ?

How do you know ? can you give me some examples ?

How about

They're involved in the NWO. 'Nuff said.

How about

Bush and Cheney.

I thought Bush was just a dupe

And while he is stupid and arrogant, I just see no evidence that he is a psychopath.

As for Cheney, well maybe, but I'd be willing to bet he really believes he is doing good for people.

In the article they say - George Bush and the Neocons can destroy Iraq and call it "bringing democracy" and actually feel good about it. Israeli psychopaths can steal Palestine, murder Palestinians, and justify it with the Bible and feel good about it. Of course they know they are lying when they lie, but inside, they believe that true good is what makes them feel good and safe in this world. And they know that beings such as they are will be morally condemned and attacked by the majority of other human beings if they do not conceal their drive for what they want behind a mask of some high sounding justification. - -

See this seems like so much innuendo - how do they know what people are thinking. I believe the authors are rationalizing behavior they disagree with and so don't understand. Hardly Socio or pyschopathic in any sense.

Wha???

See no evidence of Bush being a psychopath? Giving Cheney a free pass because you think he feels he's doing the right thing? That's the most bizarre take on this topic and analysis of their words and actions I've ever heard. ...ohhh, I don't know about you, dude.

That makes sense

"..they feel that true good is what makes them feel good and safe.."

I thought he was right on the money. That's exactly what they think imo.

It is as crude as that -

I feel at ease = good.

"What does conservatism today stand for? It stands for war. It stands for power. It stands for spying, jailing without trial, torture, counterfeiting without limit, and lying from morning to night."

Lew Rockwell

Aleister Crowley

"Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law".

(quote is also on Led Zeppelein III)

Read the link

They talk about this extensively. Its a long read, but they just lay everything down and the truth just knocks the wind out of the NWO.

My thinking is the NWO is trying to create a separate "race" of people, just not the one seen by Huxley or the BBC (one is a tall, beautiful human, the other a small troll like creature). I think their plan will create two races-one with a conscience (you know, humans) and those without (Morlocks).

The thing the NWO doesn't understand is when its brought down to that distinction the Morlocks will eat each other and the humans will help each other. Here's to hoping everyone starts helping their neighbors.

lol

"Morlocks"

I agree if you've read it

I agree if you've read it the commentary and still need proof then maybe this is something you will never agree on. After all there isn't an open sourced registry for psychopaths. AKC anyone?

one minor criticism

Fortune Favors the Bold

they are using the incorrect psychological term. Someone who is unable to feel empathy, or project a sense of "other" is a sociopath. This work is about sociopaths.

A psychopath is one who derives pleasure from the suffering of others. A subtle but important difference. The types this article talks about are primarily the former, not the latter.

Fortune Favors the Bold

LIke Tony Soprano?

;)

to clarify

Fortune Favors the Bold

a psychopath would be some one who tortures animals, or a serial killer. They derive no benefit from the action, but do it for its own sake.

A sociopath is someone who wouldn't hesitate to kill someone if it was in their self interest, but would have no interest in killing someone if they derived no benefit from it. Sociopaths see other humans the same way most humans see insects.

Fortune Favors the Bold

They mention they aren't psychiatrists, just interpreters

For the writer, who is too ill to respond to questions. His book is about the scientific study of evil (ponerology). So, whatever psychiatric term about people, my personal feeling is the term "personality disorder" should be thrown in the mix because that's where alot of the criminal behavior stems from (I've worked with mental health workers who've told me about their biggest problems are the high functioning people with just a "personality disorder"-which basically means a malicious lying and sadisitic tendencies)

I've heard

the terms psychopath, sociopath and "anti-social behavior" used to describe these soulless creatures. Imagine how great it would be going through life and feeeling no remorse for hurting or defrauding people...opens up a lot of possibilites when there is no moral check valve to prevent you from doing anything.

Time for a rewrite

The guy who wrote it wanted to pass the torch. Let's do it for him. Any psychologists with a knack for writing, or writers with a knack for scientific papers? I think this is another great project-educating the public about the Psychopaths around them-don't think your boss or governor is normal because chances are pretty good they aren't.

Quotes like these:

In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend - but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

"The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'"

Are pure awesome and should be WORLDWIDE

Yeah..scary. But when WE

Yeah..scary. But when WE act, we create our own reality, too. AND the more we act, and the more they SEE us act, we will infringe on the reality they are trying to create and it will not happen because they will see us in the way and it will undermine their convictions. We are no longer doomed. They are.

oh no, you had the arrogant SOB

All you had to do is to ask him how the empire makes their decisions to act. Certainly it is just not random, and hopefully not just what makes them feel good (though maybe). You could have got at his opinion of the driving force that creates the new realities.

I do get his point that they redefine circumstances, but he is arrogantly overstating it. The "empires" failure to control the middle east is a good example of their impotence.

You do have to be careful not to mistake stupid arrogance for conspiracy.

Not sure if you misinterpreted

This isn't my quote, it's in the article. So, I didn't have anybody. I'm just glad we have this information.

Ouch!! The truth hurts!!

And it has that very distinctive the ring of truth.

It IS how things work here in Canada. The politicians in power make very important decisions at the executive level when they should be voted on by our members. But they aren't. Hey, how'd that happen?

We are just left to stand there and with our mouths open and saying
Huh? What happened ?

Huh? it happened last year?

Huh? It is irrevocable?

Huh? WE don't own our resources anymore? Huh?

and on it goes.

I am going printing and distributing your quote amongst acitvist networks in Canada unless that is not okay with you.

cw

Reprint that quote all over the place

Its not mine, its in the article in the link above. It gives a great breakdown of the ROOT of the problem. Every day it seems like we're getting closer to other side of the rabbit hole.

For me now the Corporations and political systems are pawns of the central banks who are run by evil sociopaths and spread their sociopathy and promote leaders who are sociopathic by their media and military arms.

Ya think?

The "banksters"!!

Everyone needs to study psychopathy

It will help protect you in everyday life as well.

I have been recommended this

I have been recommended this book but never bought it due to the dry text and expense. This commentary is extremely useful and it's good to know they will be creating a book that's more digestible to the layman. This info has been suppressed. I actually wonder if RP knows this stuff (obviously it would be useful to him). Not that he'd act any different because he'll always be the gentle statesman that he is, but I'm curious.

I don't think he does

That brings up the question, then how did he rise to power then? This gives me hope because even though they are willing to use every dirty trick it doesn't give them an automatic win. We have the numbers on our side based on this article. Ron Paul proves we can beat them one on one and many against one. I would love to hear Paul's review of this book.

ME TOO!!

ME TOO!!

Wow! This is great info!

I must buy the book. It started out very weak and slow, lame really, then it took off!

I am thoroughly impressed and I am only half way reading this!

As I get to this point, half way, I had a sudden thought. Could this be the catalist for religious belief? As an evolutionist and athiest, I have been troubled by the question, "Why belief?" "why all the tests of faith?". "How can science explain Mankinds 10,000 year involvement in religious activities?" "And for a social animal as man is, why does he devote so much time and resources to religion & faith tests, when it would seem that a competing society would get further along and be wealthier if they chose not to waist this time?" Explaining religion and faith and Mankind's preoccupation with it, has always troubled me, and it calls out for an explaination.

Furthermore, "Why do I get a reaction of recoil, by those who are convinced or deep believers?" "Why is this near universal reaction one of instantanous assumption of me having malevolent intentions and/or no morals?" --- Hence could it be that mankind, in an evolutionary "arms race" between the hunted and hunter, or empathic vs nonempathic human beings, founded religion and its requirements for belief & tests of faith, to really be in effect a way to filter out sociopaths? Now that I ask this question my mind says YES, but when I reflect upon the Roman Catholic Cardnials in powerful trist with Kings & Queens, I suspect that the sociopaths worked religion too, to their benefit.

Anyway, fasinating read so far. I must return to it.

Thanks a million for this post!

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

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You bring up

some interesting questions. It seems to me that in the earliest of times didn't the leader of any tribe or group have his sidekick a wise man, witchdoctor, medicine man or spiritual adviser to the leader. The people drawn to these positions have certain qualities or the position itself leads those who seek it to
develop these qualities. You know the old saying about power corrupts, it makes me wonder if we held these positions would we change. Peace

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