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HAVE YOU NOTICED? America is now divided into 2 camps - Those who are AWARE we're be duped, conned & robbed & those who are not!

HAVE YOU NOTICED? America is now divided into 2 distinct camps. Those who are AWARE we're be duped, conned & robbed & those who are not!

It's the Awares vs. the Un-Awares!

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Don't forget about

the ostriches


Denial-they are aware, but not willing to face it. But they will know what to do when the time comes.


And many who are what I call "Controllers," they are Aware, but they use both of the other groups to their own advantage. Many of the Awares call each other "Patriots" and many of the Unawares call the Awares "kooks" and "rowdies." Actually man has always been and continues to be tribal. Sometimes it breaks down by religion, sometimes by region, sometimes by skin color, etc, etc. But tribal rites and mores seem to remain even during periods of high civilization and sophistication.
Me - I'm in the Ron Paul tribe. :-) ...you know, the group of Survivors who reinstate the true Treasure Map to Liberty....the Constitution.


Sorry, but latching onto

Sorry, but latching onto genuine kook movements does not impart some kind of hidden knowledge on the membership. Sometimes kooks really are just kooks, not an enlightened minority in a struggle for freedom.

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Come on...

There are people who use that term for anyone within a certain movement.
It is a form of propaganda and the media uses it very effectively. If you repeat a term, like "kooky" or "rogue" or "renegade" often enough, true or not...it becomes valid in the minds of many. Give me a group of any 10 people, and I'll bet within that group there are some people some of us might consider "kooks." We all have our quirks and individual feelings about certain things and there is bound to be someone else out there consider kooky. The danger lies in taking one group of people and just because there might be a few within that group who have different ideas which we might personally think a bit "kooky" does not mean that whole group of people is "kooky." Stereotyping has been done repeated within the Ron Paul movement. I can accept others different ideas and their right to have them.


Absolutely. But there are

Absolutely. But there are still kooks. Real ones. Objectively discernable as such. Do you not agree?

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Yes, but it is

subjective to the beholder...rather like beauty.


No. I said objective,

No. I said objective, meaning everyone can witness it to be true. The opposite of subjective, meaning "true" depending who you ask.

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One man's kook

is another man's genius.

Many are labeled "kook" but are not, and many are "kooks," but are unlabeled. I consider David Rockefeller the biggest kook of all.

Can you blame them

America is the dumbest nation on the planet. And think how smart we would all be had the water not been poisoned all these years with fluoride. or the food not genetically altered and don't even get me started on public education.

They put a lot of work into dumbing us down, streaming propaganda from the boob tube. People are tired of fighting. For them it's easier to submit to it then think and fight. But they don't realize just how bad it's going to get. Slavery will take on a whole new meaning.

Can you provide evidence

Can you provide evidence that fluoride has lowered intelligence levels?

(This forum needs a "rolling my eyes" smiley.)

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K-12 compulsory dis-education

Culture is Religion externalized.

Culture is Religion externalized.


we don't need a "rolling my eyes" smileys---we live them.

I can't , but there is plenty of evidence for...

public schooling dumbing down the students.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Indeed so. That evidence is

Indeed so. That evidence is overwhelming.

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Hasn't mankind always been

Hasn't mankind always been divided into those two camps since at least the advent of civilization?

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Yes: two camps

Genesis 3:15; the seed of the serpent and the SEED of the women. I could guess the side your on, but it would be just a guess.

Culture is Religion externalized.

What would you base that

What would you base that guess on? Bronze age books that make bold but unsubstantiated claims?

Let me tell you something: people who believe those books are closer to the al Quaidas of the world than those of us who reject them are to any mythological manifestation of evil therein.

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Your thinking sir is the

Your thinking sir is the reason America is going to implode. George Washington's Farwell Addresse identifies your thinking as "not a patriot". Self righteous secular humanism, the new (old) religion of america, dressed up in existential evolutionary anarchy.

Culture is Religion externalized.

America is a secular republic, by design and intent

Some topical quotations:

James Madison, "Father of the Constitution":

"Every new and successful example of a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters is of importance."

"It was the Universal opinion of the Century preceding the last, that Civil Government could not stand without the prop of a Religious establishment, and that the Christian religion itself, would perish if not supported by a legal provision for its Clergy. The experience of Virginia conspicuously corroborates the disproof of both opinions."

Conclusion: Madison believed that extricating Christianity from government was a swell idea.

Thomas Jefferson, primary author of the Declaration of Independence:

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law. ... The common law existed while the Anglo-Saxons were yet pagans, at a time when they had never yet heard the name of Christ pronounced or knew that such a character existed. ... For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement of England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of the Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law ... This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first Christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it ... That system of religion could not be a part of the common law, because they were not yet Christians."

"I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know."

"Our civil rights have no dependence upon our religious opinions more than our opinions in physics or geometry."

"[Our] principles [are] founded on the immovable basis of equal right and reason."

"May it [the Declaration of Independence] be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government."

"I know that Gouverneur Morris, who claimed to be in his secrets, and believed himself to be so, has often told me that General Washington believed no more in that system [Christianity] than he did."

Conclusion: Jefferson was not Christian.

George Washington:

"I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe that the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction. To this consideration we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation, respecting religion, from the Magna-Charta of our country." (in response to clergymen who complained that the Constitution did not mention Jesus Christ)

"We have abundant reason to rejoice that in this Land the light of truth and reason has triumphed over the power of bigotry and superstition ... In this enlightened Age and in this Land of equal liberty it is our boast, that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the Laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest Offices that are known in the United States."

Conclusion: Washington believed in the separation of church and state.

Benjamin Franklin:

"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."

"He [Reverend Whitefield] used, indeed, sometimes to pray for my conversion, but never had the satisfaction of believing that his prayers were heard." --Benjamin Franklin

Conclusion: Franklin was not Christian.

Thomas Paine, major instigator of the Revolution:

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."

"There is scarcely any part of science, or anything in nature, which those imposters and blasphemers of science, called priests, as well Christians as Jews, have not, at some time or other, perverted, or sought to pervert to the purpose of superstition and falsehood."

"The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on nothing; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing and admits of no conclusion."

"The Bible: a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalise mankind."

"The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense."

"The Bible is a book that has been read more, and examined less, than any book that ever existed."

Conclusion: Paine was effectively hostile towards organized religion of all kinds.


"I never witnessed his [George Washington's] private devotions. I never inquired about them." --Martha Washington's granddaughter from a previous marriage

"The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [Washington through Jackson] not a one had professed a belief in Christianity...."

"Among all our presidents from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism."

"I have diligently perused every line that Washington ever gave to the public, and I do not find one expression in which he pledges, himself as a believer in Christianity. I think anyone who will candidly do as I have done, will come to the conclusion that he was a Deist and nothing more."

--Reverend Bird Wilson

"Washington was a Deist." --Reverend James Abercrombie, in response to Reverend Bird Wilson's inquiries into Washington's religious beliefs

"The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation." --Treaty of Tripoli, passed unanimously by the Senate and signed into law by John Adams (incidentally, there are numerous Adams quotes that make it quite clear that he was strongly anti-Catholic)

...I could go on for hours, but the conclusion should be quite clear: America is not a "Christian Nation." It is a secular republic, where Christianity is the religion with the most professed adherents. Big difference.

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But a while back

The ones who "knew" were only the ones who were doing it. Now the "ones who did not know" are in the "know" (us).

What do you mean? The thread

What do you mean? The thread is about knowing you're being duped vs not knowing. That dynamic has always existed, because there have always been dupers and dupees, and there have always been a certain number of dupees who saw through the smokescreen.

So what's different now? Nothing, that I can see. Same game, different century.

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That seems to be the essence behind the Re-Revolution!

amazing isnt it

sheep, sheep sheep.baaaaaa

amazing isnt it

sheep, sheep sheep.baaaaaa

although some people hear

although some people hear the truth and choose to live in the dark


Yep, I live with some of those. Every time I open my mouth, a look of "that's not right" comes over (her) face. She does not believe we have gone into Iran-or she believes we have always gone into Iran and it is no different now.

And the ones who are duped

think we are divided into at least two camps, liberal and conservative, have nots and haves, anti-war and warmongers, nontorturers and torturers. They think the issues are still along party lines. Democrats think they are all about taking care of people and they think Republicans are all about taking care of big government. Wish we could get the democrats past the stereotypes. Stereotypes are the non-thinkers hideout.


By dividing us they have conquered us. The real parties now are: WE THE PEOPLE vs. THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

Pick a side, because the time is coming.

"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."