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A basic morality

Can we as humans agree on a basic morality, just the bare minimum you have to do as a part of human society? I hear a lot of talk about virtues, morals, and how Americans have "lost their way" or "turned away from ***"<-- insert your god of choice here. In any case, can we all agree on a form of morality that all humans, at the very least, should follow? I've been thinking about this for a long time, and I think I've narrowed it down to just two simple rules:

1. Be nice to each other
2. Be responsible for yourself

If you can do nothing else in life, you should at least be able to follow these two rules. If everyone were to follow these two basic rules, a lot of the conflicts we have would disappear instantly. These rules transcend all religious or spiritual practices known today in their simplicity of message as well as the results for humanity should we implement them explicitly and universally. Now that humans can pretty much communicate with each other at will from anywhere on the globe (for the most part), why don't we all just agree to adopt these tenets en masse, at the base minimum, or at least pass on a morality to future generations based on these tenets (or something similar).

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The Only Way To Defeat Racism

is to enforce these three laws:
1) No child born outside of marriage.
2) No second marriage.
3) No immigration except by marriage.

Sexual inequality is the root cause of racism. Outlaw polygamy and you end racism. (Leaving the mother of your children, moving to the U.S. and then impregnating an American woman. That's polygamy. And it leads to racism.)

I've made an appointment at my vet to have you neutered.

Fascism must end with you.

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And if a child IS born out

And if a child IS born out of wedlock, what do you propose to do with it? Kill it? Kill the parents? Or maybe just put them all in a "work camp"?

Arbeit Macht Frei!

yes children born outside of

yes children born outside of a solid family unit are a problem, your proposed solution is fascism.

do us all a favor and don't breed. your ignorance is terminal, and I don't want you spawning.

Why do you hate

Why do you hate liberty?

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so phoobaar which one of these

do you find it so hard to live by.

6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor inclueding his wife.

The golden rule even covers these. I would not wish someone to do these to me therefore I should not do them to others. These all fall under the love your neighbor as yourself catagory. Even Jesus Christ seperated these out as diffrent from the first five.

Matt 22:37-40

37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

I don't see why there would be anyone who wouldn't say these are pretty good moral guidline to follow. Actually even the 5th one honor your father and your mother could be thrown in there without it even being religious in any way. Honoring the sabath would not work because even I don't keep the sabbath as a day of rest the way they did in the old testament. Because my rest is found in Jesus and I find my rest in him all day every day so that would not be secular. The last 5 can be followed by anyone. Most people follows these anyway. But really which one of these do you find to be so awful or is it just the fact you have so much hate for a group of people that call themselves Christian that you hate the thought of agreeing with them on anything. Let alone sharing anything with them. Well too late you share the same air and the same water and you occupy the same cities states nation and world. You watch the same TV shows. Who knows maybe one day one of your children will fall in love with one of them and produce you a little Jesus loving grandchild. Will you hate that Christian too I wonder. Is it possable for a man to hate his own flesh and blood? Hate is an ugly thing my friend. Hate has a way of coming back around to bit the person who throws it out there.

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is where I'll be going if Dr. Paul isn't in the race.

You mean the Change-The-Constitution Party.

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Quoting ancient fables won't

Quoting ancient fables won't sway me, in fact I skim right past them. But to answer your question:

#6 works for me. I don't need the Bible to know that murdering people is not in my best interest, nor that of my community.
#7 seems only decent; if you make a commitment, you keep it, because you expect the same. No Bible needed there, either.
#8 same as #6.
#9 same again.
#10 is just silly. Everyone covets. In fact covetousness is what keeps the economy rolling. That commandment is just to keep the poor in their place so they won't aspire to rise up and compete with the rich. It's a control mechanism, like much of the Bible.

Yes, the golden rule would cover the first 4, but the silver rule does a better job, because it doesn't demand that you annoy me (or potentially offend or even harm me) by doing things to me that you might like but I might hate.

Anyway, I'm not sure why I even answered this. It seems like a no-brainer that murder, theft, perjury and adultery would tend to unravel a society rather quickly. The Hebrews knew all that before Moses carved those tablets (and I'm being generous be even allowing that HE carved them, much less Yahweh; I actually doubt the whole story, but whatever). They didn't need the ten commandments to tell them those things, which only proves that we are perfectly capable of creating our own moral code without invoking supernatural myths.

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The Jury...

is still out on you.

The Verdict IS IN

TRRRROOOOOOLLLLLLL. Sentence? Life under a rock.

Yes, because everyone who

Yes, because everyone who disagrees with you meets this definition.

The only actual trolls at Daily Paul are the people labeling everyone else trolls. THAT is disruptive and irrelevant posting.

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I must say...

That there are basic rules of conduct for social interaction.

I must also say that I believe that most of the people on this forum are caucasian.

How can I say this? Well just watch most of the youtube videos out there.
Then decide.

We need to reach out to the black community, because they share the same wishes and desires that lovers of freedom do.

I believe that the black community is hungry for Dr. Paul's message.

Just watch this video by the singer Twista with Faith Evans, listen to the words, then tell me if we don't have more in common than differences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlI9Oqv5Gqw

I realize that I went off on a tangent, but I believe that this video could help the Revolution greatly.

Thank you.

Race and racism is another

Race and racism is another very divisive element in society. It sounds trite after 100 years, but the color of a person's skin makes no difference. I'm glad to hear that other human beings are feeling the same.

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I'm with ya Patriot...

I'm with ya Patriot... Nice meaning, F4F:-).

What you believe to be true, is true to you... "until you change your mind"

What you believe to be true, is true to you... "until you change your mind"

I've always felt that the

I've always felt that the Golden Rule pretty well sums it up: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

Interesting to note that it has always been called the GOLDEN Rule.

The silver rule is to the

The silver rule is to the golden rule what negative rights are to positive rights.

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Two tables

It is revealing that you chose to express only the second table (mans horizontal relationship) of Gods revealed Law (ten commandmants) and neglected mans verticle duty toward God.
Christianity today has failed to express the Creator/ created distinction as the only historical answer to religious and civic liberty for all.
Todays societal problems are simply a reflection of America's religious humanism.

Culture is Religion externalized.

I was specifically looking

I was specifically looking for a moral base that could transcend any particular spiritual leaning. Anyone and everyone could follow this morality without offending or causing issue with their religious leanings.

As for religion itself, I choose not to personify something I cannot quantify (god), and instead choose to believe that I exist in a benevolent Universe, and so long as I respect the rights of other human beings, I have no reason to fear nor to oppress any other person or viewpoint. Each person is going to interpret their existence in a different fashion, and there's plenty of room for each and every viewpoint. Religion (along with multiple other societal structures) can be a very divisive element in society, and I choose to find ways to bring humankind together, not tear us apart.

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It's revealing that that you

It's revealing that that you reveal very little in a straight forward fashion, choosing oblique sweeping statements, mixed with a little big of stolen business jargon.

But whatever, If that's what floats your boat....opinions vary.

I guess...

...my main impetus behind this line of thought is that we humans have to face the reality of our situation. We are a unique race on this planet, and we have yet to maintain a natural balance with the world around us. We have to find a way to do that if we want our species to survive. So, a basic code of morality, one that isn't tied to any particular divisive societal structure, would be a perfect tool to bring humanity together. From there, we can figure out how best to achieve a balance with our natural world while still respecting the rights of the individual and allow for exploration of the Universe around us.

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Sounds very libertarian.

It also sounds a lot like George Carlin's spiel on the Ten Commandments (on youtube, but I can't link it from here).

Me, I prefer a High Solonic: see http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/features/2000/carrier....

In short:

...the Ten Commandments of Solon (Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers, 1.60), which run as follows:

1. Trust good character more than promises.
2. Do not speak falsely.
3. Do good things.
4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.
5. Learn to obey before you command.
6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.
7. Make reason your supreme commander.
8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.
9. Honor the gods.
10. Have regard for your parents.

Then there's the Eleven

Then there's the Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth:

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

I'm not a Satanist (I don't believe in Satan any more than I believe in God), but that list is at least as good as any other.

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Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

If I were to break into someone else's home with the intention of taking away and harming their children, then I would have them fire five rounds of steel buckshot into my body starting with my midsection and working up toward my head. I would also have them extend my pain and suffering in any manner consistent with their own safety.

The same intent is shown by the government and anyone who agrees with it in deciding what my children will do with their childhood, education, and so forth. I am inclined to do unto them, as I would have them do unto me.

Does that fit your definition of "be nice to people?"

I was going to post

the same thing...the golden rule, well, rules.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Actually, I don't like the

Actually, I don't like the golden rule because not everyone has the same desires. What if I'm a masochist? Do you still want me to do unto you as I would like to be done by?

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A sadist would tell you, "No."

Figure it out.

So long as the NEW WORLD ORDER exists

Morality will ever be an endangered precedent.

(Makes a good quote, now that I look at it.)

"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."

That is my point everyone starts a the sinner position

We then try to work our way through to righeousness even if it is an earthly righteousness its better than laying in the sin catagory for our hole life it is a sign of movement towards God at least. Then once one obtains righteousness maybe God will reveal himself to that person in a way only him and God can understand. Maybe from this place a relationship can foster for the two of them. If a person chooses to stay at that righteousness then they should have that right and the church should be glade these people have chosen to raise themselves up to this standard. It at least makes life on eath a nicer place to live. Someone who love there neighbor as themselves won't steal from them or have an affair with their wife. or murder them. Ok I agree inside the church doors the church cannot set this as a standard but they could have respect for people outside the church who are reaching for this level of morality even if it will not save the soul from judgement. obeying all ten commandments won't even save your soul. Only God can read these peoples hearts anyway. Even Jesus Christ did not judge these people he only reached out to them in love. And tried to be a good example. I even think the stranger can obtain the 4th commandment honor they father and mother. That is a huge one cause it shows a person has the right heart for a relationship with God. Its actually not hard for every person in this nation to agree to love your neighbor as yourself. That should be happening out of the fact we are all humans. My dog and cat seem to do this better than most people. I think if we could all get the 4th commandment from the bottom up that God would open the hearts of many people and reveal him self to them. I geuss its just wishful thinking but man what a great country this would be nontheless if we tried.

sorry so long its been on my heart for some time now.

1. You shall have no other gods before me.
2. You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.
3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
4. Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
5. Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.
6. You shall not murder.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
8. You shall not steal.
9. You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.�

These are the Ten Commandments! It seems like people are confused about how God set this law up. A lot of people think this is one law for every person living. In a perfect world it would be. However this is not a perfect world. That ended when Adam and Eve heard, listened, and obeyed a voice other than Gods voice and then eat the fruit that was forbidden for them to eat.

This is how the law started. The children of Israel were in bondage in Egypt and God was getting ready to bring them out of Egypt. He was getting ready to kill the first born child in all of Egypt to gain the their release. He gave them a ceremony to perform in the remembrance of that day. It is called the Passover. He also gave them a way to be passed over on that night so their first born child would live they where to smear blood around the doorposts of their homes so the curse would pass by that home. Notice in the passage below the term’s stranger and congregation. It is very important to understanding the law that is to come.
Ex 12:1-20
12:1 The Passover Instituted
(Num 9:1-14; Deut 16:1-8; Ezek 45:21-25)
Now the LORD spoke to Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, 2 "This month shall be your beginning of months; it shall be the first month of the year to you. 3 Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying: 'On the tenth of this month every man shall take for himself a lamb, according to the house of his father, a lamb for a household. 4 And if the household is too small for the lamb, let him and his neighbor next to his house take it according to the number of the persons; according to each man's need you shall make your count for the lamb. 5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats. 6 Now you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of the same month. Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight. 7 And they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses where they eat it. 8 Then they shall eat the flesh on that night; roasted in fire, with unleavened bread and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. 9 Do not eat it raw, nor boiled at all with water, but roasted in fire — its head with its legs and its entrails. 10 You shall let none of it remain until morning, and what remains of it until morning you shall burn with fire. 11 And thus you shall eat it: with a belt on your waist, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. So you shall eat it in haste. It is the LORD's Passover.
12'For I will pass through the land of Egypt on that night, and will strike all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am the LORD. 13 Now the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you; and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt.
14'So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the LORD throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance. 15 Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall remove leaven from your houses. For whoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. 16 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and on the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation for you. No manner of work shall be done on them; but that which everyone must eat — that only may be prepared by you. 17 So you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this same day I will have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as an everlasting ordinance. 18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening. 19 For seven days no leaven shall be found in your houses, since whoever eats what is leavened, that same person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is a stranger or a native of the land. 20 You shall eat nothing leavened; in all your dwellings you shall eat unleavened bread.'"

Fist; notice the meaning of these words.

Congregation:

OT:5712 `edah (ay-daw'); feminine of OT:5707 in the original sense of fixture; a stated assemblage (specifically, a concourse, or generally, a family or crowd):

KJV - assembly, company, congregation, multitude, people, swarm. Compare OT:5713.

It derives from the words
OT:5707 `ed (ayd); contracted from OT:5749 concretely, a witness; abstractly, testimony; specifically, a recorder, i.e. prince:

KJV - witness.

OT:5713 `edah (ay-daw'); feminine of OT:5707 in its techn. sense; testimony:

KJV - testimony, witness. Compare OT:5712.

con•gre•ga•tion
Pronunciation: (kong"gri-gā'shun), [key]
—n.
1. an assembly of persons brought together for common religious worship.
2. the act of congregating or the state of being congregated.
3. a gathered or assembled body; assemblage.
4. an organization formed for the purpose of providing for worship of God, for religious education, and for other church activities; a local church society.
5. the people of Israel. Ex. 12:3,6; Lev. 4:13.
6. New Testament.the Christian church in general.
7. Rom. Cath. Ch.
a. a committee of cardinals or other ecclesiastics.
b. a community of men or women, either with or without vows, observing a common rule.

as•sem•bly
Pronunciation: (u-sem'blē), [key]
—n.,
—pl. -blies.
1. an assembling or coming together of a number of persons, usually for a particular purpose: The principal will speak to all the students at Friday's assembly.
2. a group of persons gathered together, usually for a particular purpose, whether religious, political, educational, or social.

Notice on congregation the last one listed by the Roman Catholic church.

b. a community of men or women, either with or without vows, observing a common rule.

either with or without vows:

So the congregation can have a common goal but also be different in things outside or inside that goal. As long as they adhere to there part of the common goal that is agreed upon. However the assembly does not have this option they come together for a common purpose it comes with a vow that must be kept there is no wiggle room it is more strict.

So in the above passage what did the assembly do?

Then the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it at twilight. 7 And they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and on the lintel of the houses where they eat it. 8 Then they shall eat the flesh on that night; roasted in fire, with unleavened bread and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. 9 Do not eat it raw, nor boiled at all with water, but roasted in fire — its head with its legs and its entrails. 10 You shall let none of it remain until morning, and what remains of it until morning you shall burn with fire. 11 And thus you shall eat it: with a belt on your waist, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. So you shall eat it in haste. It is the LORD's Passover.

Then you have this part:

18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening. 19 For seven days no leaven shall be found in your houses, since whoever eats what is leavened, that same person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is a stranger or a native of the land. 20 You shall eat nothing leavened; in all your dwellings you shall eat unleavened bread.'"

Now here we have something that the whole congregation must do both the native born and the stranger. But which one of them is the assembly. Well who do you think would be most likely to be in such close agreement a bunch of native born people or some strangers who have come from many different places? It’s easy to use common sense and realize that the assembly is the native born. So they are to sacrifice and not eat unleavened bread and the stranger is not suppose to eat unleavened bread for time specified. The stranger is not to be forced to sacrifice. It is not their custom.

What does it mean to be a stranger?

ger
OT:1616 ger (gare); or (fully) geyr (gare); from OT:1481; properly, a guest; by implication, a foreigner:

KJV - alien, sojourner, stranger.

It is derived from the word
OT:1481 guwr (goor); a primitive root; properly, to turn aside from the road (for a lodging or any other purpose), i.e. sojourn (as a guest); also to shrink, fear (as in a strange place); also to gather for hostility (as afraid):
KJV - abide, assemble, be afraid, dwell, fear, gather (together), inhabitant, remain, sojourn, stand in awe, (be) stranger, surely.
It to can become an assembly when it is made afraid.

So we have a congregation of two assemblies one that is native born which has a strong bond within a vow and is always assembled. And another assembly that always there but doesn’t usually comes together until it is made afraid.

However we have to witnesses. Native born and the stranger.

Ex 12:43-49

43 Passover Regulations

(Gen 17:9-14; Ex 12:1-13)

And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "This is the ordinance of the Passover: No foreigner shall eat it. 44 But every man's servant who is bought for money, when you have circumcised him, then he may eat it. 45 A sojourner and a hired servant shall not eat it. 46 In one house it shall be eaten; you shall not carry any of the flesh outside the house, nor shall you break one of its bones. 47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. 48 And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land. For no uncircumcised person shall eat it. 49 One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you."

This shows that there is something that the stranger cannot do but the native born must do. When it says; all the congregation shall keep it. This is to say they must all obey the ordinance that one must do it and the other shall not do it. It is just as wrong for the stranger to eat the Passover as it is for the native born to not eat it. This is the ordinance and it must be followed by both assemblies.

49 One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you."

In this passage you could also write it like.

One law shall be for the native-born and
One law shall be for the stranger who dwells among you."

There is one law for the native born it is all Ten Commandments. They must obey the whole law. Just as people of the church should obey the both laws that Jesus Christ gave which summarized the laws of the Old Testament.

Mark 12:29-31
29 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. 30 And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment. 31 And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
Jesus goes on to clarify with a story about a young ruler.

Matt 19:16-21
Young Ruler
(Mark 10:17-22; Luke 18:18-23)
Now behold, one came and said to Him, "Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?"
17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
18 He said to Him, "Which ones?"
Jesus said, "'You shall not murder,' 'You shall not commit adultery,' 'You shall not steal,' 'You shall not bear false witness,' 19'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'"
20 The young man said to Him, "All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?"
21 Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

If you notice Jesus gave him the first 5 commandment of the Old Testament. Then added his second commandment that fulfilled the list of the Ten Commandments. This means that Jesus had divided the law into two ordinances (or laws). The whole law was for the native born and that last five of the ten was for the stranger. This was the fullness of the law for the assembly of the stranger.

Num 15:27-29
27'And if a person sins unintentionally, then he shall bring a female goat in its first year as a sin offering. 28 So the priest shall make atonement for the person who sins unintentionally, when he sins unintentionally before the LORD, to make atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him. 29 You shall have one law for him who sins unintentionally, for him who is native-born among the children of Israel and for the stranger who dwells among them.

This is where they really messed up the understanding of the law. See a native born person could not sin unintentionally. They were to keep all the law and know the law at all time. If they broke the law they where to be stoned to death (that’s right they received the death penalty). This is talking about someone who is young and didn’t know the law fully yet from the native born or a stranger who was not aware of the law they broke. If you notice the person who committed the offence did not do the sacrificing (the priest did). The stranger was not aloud to sacrifice to God. His penalty was the cost of a female goat in its first year. In other words it was a fine (a cost).

Num 15:32-36

32 Penalty for Violating the Sabbath

32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.

35 Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." 36 So, as the LORD commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

This would have been a native born man since the Sabbath was part of the first 5 commandment. But it is intrusting to notice it was the whole congregation that where commanded to stone him. The stranger who did not keep the whole law was considered equally justified to stone the man as someone who kept the whole law. This is because the native born received judgment on earth as soon as judgment was brought they paid their penalty in full with the shedding of their blood. See Jews never received forgiveness for there sins they received atonement (their sins where pushed forwards each year towards the Messiah). The stranger will not receive judgment till the end of days. Their whole record will be read in front of all of heaven. Jesus Christ died for the forgiveness of the sins of the living and the dead. The Jews who had pushed their sins forward with the atonement sacrifice Will be given a chance to repent in full for all there sins. This is what atonement was all about. Everyone who ends up in heaven will repent and be baptized and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost no matter what time period they come from in history. There has always been a method for making sure all would go through Jesus Christ for forgiveness of their sins. A means of death (repentance) Burial (going down in the water) and resurrection (coming up out of the water) for remission of sin. And receiving the Holy Ghost (the new man). Stranger do not have any means of receiving this once death has come. The person must choose God. This is called free will. God does not force himself on people but he has given a provision for both the living and the dead. Even if one does not seek a higher level of morality God has given a minimum standard for morality. If a person can keep the last five Commandments he would be considered righteous on earth. The only problem is mans righteousness will not obtain heaven. One must take on the righteousness of Jesus Christ only his righteousness is worthy of obtaining heaven. I think it important to remind everyone that we will all be resurrected native born and the stranger. Some to the right hand and others to the left hand. For those of you that think you turn into worm food and you get to just relax and not worry about anything. What a shock it will be to you when your body comes up out of that grave and takes on your old flesh and a voice says, it is the beginning of eternity, and you find yourself moving towards the left hand. Might I add who do you think will be in that right hand? Let me show you!

Matt 25:41-46
41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand ,'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'

44 "Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?' 45 Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

That’s right you will be with all the false preachers of this earth. The people you hate the most and you are the people they hated and tried to control. And it will be forever and you cannot die. Now that will be hell for both parties but it will be a just punishment. All the people who just wanted to know God and be able to worship God in all they do, be it in school or at work or while out with your friends in public, will not have to be around either group anymore. Not that they hate these people but they will finally not have to fight anyone any more to do the one thing they so long to do. That is to love God to the fullest and please the one who made them without being persecuted. This to will also be just.

As for morality the stranger can be a moral people and they can love their neighbor as themselves. They can be righteous and the native born (church, By church I mean the people who keep "the first of all the commandment: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. 30 And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength, Should realize that these people (strangers) who love their neighbor as themselves are a righteous people. On the other hand the stranger should understand that the church is a group of people who are trying to obtain a higher morality that is not easy to obtain. The flesh fights a person every second of the day while trying to keep the first five commandment. We receive Power through the Holy Ghost to help us in or struggle to obtain a higher standard. It’s a spiritual power that you might not understand however to us it is very real in our life. It would be nice is the stranger would at least use their morality (The love for your neighbor) and at least respect the fact that there are some of us who do not wish to control the stranger and we do not wish to cause you to fear us. My goal is not only to find my way to that higher morality, but to be able to explain it in a way that will make others not afraid to follow up the hell behind me. I also love my neighbor as myself as you do and I want as many of my neighbors with me on the right side.

Matt 25:31-36

31 The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations

"When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.'

I am visiting with you I am trying to take in the stranger I want to feed you and to give you a drink. I am only doing what I am supposed to do. Do no fear me or hate me for doing this. It is what I am supposed to do. I do not want to condemn you I honor the stranger who achieves righteousness. I to am a stranger in this land just like you. I honor those who love their neighbor as themselves. This is a command of God. It is the last 5 Commandments of the 10. You have achieved full righteousness on this earth. You have earned the right to throw the fist stone at me if I do not keep the commandments that I seek to achieve. I do believe the LORD our God, the LORD is one and I do love the LORD our God with all my heart, soul, mind, and with all my strength. Love is an invisible thing in its making but it reveals itself through our actions. I must say the stones that are thrown feel very real to me. I am sure the stranger feels them as much as I do. I find myself fighting with the evolutionist some times. Every time I feel bad and wish there was a better way to communicate our thoughts. I do not want to throw stones at them.
I actually feel that Micro evolution is built into the creation of this planet and it is there for us to learn more about who we are and who God is. However when Macro evolution comes up I cannot enter into that line of thinking because it would cause me to break my commandment to agree with it and if I break this commandment then I am a hypocrite and deserve to be stoned (figuratively of course). I do not argue with them because I want to argue with them. I argue with them because I must. Micro evolution is an earth thing it’s something one can observe. Macro evolution is a heaven thing it has to do with belief. To believe it requires the taking God out of the creation of this earth it undoes God. As a stranger I can understand why people are festinated by Marco evolution. I’m sure there are many people who would love to prove all those stone throwing Christians wrong. Like I said the stones hurt. However Macro evolution will never be proven. By its own definition evolution can never be proven it’s always growing and changing it can only get closer and closer to proving. So really it’s more of a stick in the eye kind of thing. I would say a stick in the eye is not a sign of loving your neighbor as yourself just as trying to belittle someone who believes in Macro evolution would not be loving your neighbor as yourself. It is a sign of loving your neighbor to share your ideas with one another. Agreeing to disagree is also a sign of loving your neighbor. I think the biggest misunderstanding between the stranger and the native born is most strangers assume if you’re a Christian You are not a stranger you have been a native born all your life and grew up with that teaching. I assure you most Christians have been strangers longer than they have been native born. They have a pretty good understanding of what it is. Most strangers have never even attempted to achieve the standard of the native born. They have no Idea of how hard it is or how powerful of a pull it has on your life to do the right thing. Does this mean all the native born do the right thing? I think not! Most of them feel a need to prove their love to God so much that in their zeal they not only mess up the first command. They also disobey the second command as well. There are many evolutionist that know their theories can never be proven so they take much enjoyment watching a Christian tare them self down in this manor. I don’t mean to single out the struggle between Christians and evolutionist. It’s just the one I picked out because I have noticed a lot of it on DP so I chose that as an example. The point of this whole thing is to show that even in the bible it is not only the churches that people should be building each other up. Everyone on the outside watches all these people go to church. People are up-lifted by one another there. Jesus did this also. Most of Jesus work was done outside of the church on the streets among the strangers. Jesus even referred to himself as a stranger. The church does not do enough of this in my opinion. People also assume that is the church’s job. So does the church do these things because of the first commandment or the second one? If you look at them again you will see why they do this.

"the first of all the commandment: 'Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. 30 And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.

You will see here that is because of the love you are to have for your neighbor is the reason Jesus did these things. He spent more time with the stranger than he did in the church. He said he did not come to save the righteous. He said “I come to save the sinner”. In other words if there is a stranger who loves there neighbor as themselves and even if they don’t go to church they should be doing this also. They should be helping the sinner to at least achieve the highest standard a stranger can achieve and that is to love your neighbor as yourself. The righteous stranger should help the lost to at least achieve this level of righteousness. Of course the righteous stranger leaves this up to the church to do. Guess what? It’s not only their job! It is for the stranger and the native born to reach down and help the people who have hate in their hearts up and show them how to love one another. This is what is wrong with our nation. Nobody seems to want to do his/her part anymore. We love ourselves! Anything that’s not about us we do not have the time for it. We set around and say what’s in it for me? The church teaches that the stranger has not obtained any form of righteousness and the sinner has so much hate for the people that condemn them they bug out. And in doing so prove the church to be right (the idea that the stranger cannot obtain even the reighteousness of loving your neighbor as yourself). I can tell you right now unless one can find love for your neighbor. Obtaining the other the righteousness it takes to love God and realize he is one (not 2 not 3 not 4) and to be able to love him with all your heart soul and mind and all your strength will forever elude you. And if you don’t care to know God the least you can do is do everything in your power to at least obtain the righteousness of loving your neighbor as yourself. This is possible for both the stranger and the native born. Even the flesh can do this much. That is a long explanation I know but it’s been on my heart for some time now and your post brought up morality. So I took this time to say what I feel. I just want to see the whole congregation at least raise each other up to righteousness. The world can at least be a better place till the end of times. And so much more rewarding.