California to Legalize Weed for Everyone
There is an initiative in the works that could end up on the November ballot that allows for marijuana to be sold to anyone, and anywhere that already sells alcohol. Its being called The Inalienable Rights Enforcement Initiative. From the full text of the measure:
This initiative will amend the Constitution of California to defend and safeguard the inalienable rights of the People against infringement by governments and corporations, providing for the lawful growth, sale, and possession of marijuana. Marijuana will be taxed through a system of stamps and licenses--a $5 stamp will be required for the sale of an eighth ounce of marijuana and a $50 annual license will be required for the growth of one marijuana plant.
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i like the idea
its better than nothing
Profiteering theory
I'm inclined to agree with this theory.
Personally, I don't smoke it but I don't see the big deal with pot as long as it's used responsibly (ie don't smoke and drive, operate equipment, etc) and it should probably treated similar to DUI because of its effects. I think a little prudence in its legalizing should be considered, similar to alcohol. I don't know how many people agree with me here on that aspect, but it's just my take on it and I would think that's a reasonable and fair way to look at it.
That being said, I can well imagine that given California's track record with anything it doesn't like (gun laws for example), if they begrudgingly legalize it, expect it to have the shit taxed out of it to make it hard for people to sell or buy it on the market. They'll regulate the hell out of it the same way they do firearms I'm sure.
Good luck to CA- I hope you make some progress with this initiative. Maybe it'll ease some of the drug-runner shootings up here on the border.
the tax would be stupid because it would still
because it would still allow for people to sell it on the black market cheaper and therefore does nothing to weaken the gangsters economy. a 5 dollar tax on a plant wouldnt be bad though. 50 bucks is too high and good luck enforcing it. more people would be in jail for tax evasion than drugs lol
There going to need it!
Didn't they just pass the national ID card???
You'd have to be stoned
to deal with california law.
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sounds like state sponsored
sounds like state sponsored profiteering in the guise of supporting the rampant psychadellic culture from big brother.
Is this really the best idea California can come up with to close in on its almost 20B dollar deficit?
I guess bribery cuts both ways
The state is in a budget crisis and the Governator is paying government employees minimum wage until the legislature comes up with a budget.
So this could be an ideal time to institute a new tax in order to get government employee support.
Of course, it's possible that if the plan passes, the California courts would uphold the legality of marijuana, but find the tax illegal.
We have a law that says any new tax in California requires a 2/3 vote by voters.
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Any update on this, as they
Any update on this, as they needed like 600k+ signatures by sept. 5th. It's now the 15th so does anyone know if they got the necessary amount of signatures???
I love the name of the
I love the name of the proposed initiative because it clearly shows smoking/selling cannabis is indeed an inalienable right granted under the Constitution and other related documents...
$50 dollars a plant! who is
$50 dollars a plant! who is the idiot writing these laws??? i can somewhat understand the tax part but why the 50$ part???? thats lame
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revenue
When this passes, it will be interesting to see how much revenue is collected.
Is 10,000 plants/year reasonable? $500,000 to grow, plus the tax to sell.
I'm not hip to a tax to grow/produce, but the sales tax does follow existing rules for alcohol.
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Look
these people won't be growing what we in Oklahoma call "home grown". These people are going to get A LOT of weed out of their plants...fifty bucks a plant to make a statement and do it somewhat legally... priceless. I can see the quality of our smoke getting better and better.... YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!
I would gladly pay that amount and get some great seeds...better than life behind bars for smoking a God given plant.
but how can the charge 50$ a
but how can the charge 50$ a plant? 500$ for 10 plants thats ridicules! when in california you can already grow 12 to 99 plants with a script. that script only cost around 100 bucks....
these idiots who made this law need to cut out the 50 dollars a plant part! its going to cost more if this law passes to grow weed with that 50 dollar fee.
like i said i know people who legally have 99 plants growing and it was only a 100 dollar fee....
now times 99 by 50 = way to much
who ever wrote the law was smart because they are the only ones that can afford the fees if the are to grow a acre of this stuff...
and the poor people are left selling tomatoes and carrots for 2 dollars a pound!
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if
you could smoke tomatoes and carrots, you would get more than two bucks a pound..besides that.....does anyone know what the price of tea in china is?
I have to disagree
I would gladly pay $50 a plant to be able to grow legally. And I'm sure there are many many others who would agree.
A good plant will give you 2# of dried product. I'm gonna say $25/quarter oz plus $5 tax...so $30 a bag. I would honestly challenge anyone to find the quality smoke we would be able to grow, on the market currently for that price...it would be impossible. So I think I am seriously underestimating the potential. Anyway back to the numbers.
2# of product equals 128 quarter bags at $25 apiece which equals $3200.
1# of product equals 64 quarter bags at $25 apiece which equals $1600
1/2# of product equals 32 quarter bags at $25 apiece which equals $800
So to make it even better, lets take your 99 plant scenario and kick it up a knotch to 100 plants just to make the numbers easier. Here's your potential.
PPA (Per Plant Average) 2# = $3200 X 100 = $320,000
1# = $1600 X 100 = $160,000
1/2 # = $800 X 100 = $80,000
So where exactly is $50 outrageous? Granted it would be better to not have a tax, but I'll take the $50 charge over prison any day.
agreed
here in Canada governement even grows pot and sells it to medicial users.
Hemp is legally grown....and our BC Bud brand is the number 1 export bringing billions of dollars to the British Columbia economy.
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if and when Oklahoma ever passes such a law. I like BC Brand...hmm hmm good.
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at Vancouver rallies pounds of pot are given away for free
a lot of tourists come LOL
actually because of all the pot cafes and such Vancouver is named Vansterdam
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Yea tax
Yeah the tax is pretty high but it is worth it i guess. An ounce here is 120 of some mids. And i kno Cali will sell the really good stuff with it being legal so i wouldnt mind a 5 dollar tax
$5 for an eighth of an ounce
$5 for an eighth of an ounce TAX?? Shhesh! Dunno who would want to buy it legally, then. Since it is only about $100 an oz in this state, that would raise the price by over a third. CA taxes much too much to begin with, but there is no reason that a tax BEYOND state sales tax should be collected when selling it.
so
"Shhesh! Dunno who would want to buy it legally, then"
Hundred bucks an ounce equals prison
Hundred Forty bucks an ounce equals much better weed, and no prison
You should probably hang out with some smarter people.
This measure will only infringe.
When a God-given right is taxed or regulateed, it becomes a Government-bestowed privilege. This measure might sound good, but it’s actually bad.
It measure might be a sign of some kind progress, but it just it probably just another stinkin’ encroachment.
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Im pretty sure its just a round up technique like the weed dispensers who et raided after buying licenses to sell.
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Why do they require licenses?
Damn politicians and their half-measures...
Come on Arnie do something good for once, get rid of this damn licensing.
i hear you
i hear you but it's better than jail.
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