Creation/Evolution Debate

Some where in their evolution theory they skipped over something unexplainable. Where did the human race receive its musical theory course? Only man can think in musical terms. Many humans can hum a melody or count out a complex beat without any instructions. Music for those who do not "feel" it must learn all the mathematical equations that make up rhythms and musical notes.
Many of us can hear a perfect octave of a note... which is math. How?
Often music is played before it is transcribed. If we hear someone singing off key we know it .. How? Where does a "hook" come from? A series of notes in a precise rhythm, that makes the human mind respond. Think of mikey D's five note theme.
None of the animal kingdom share this remarkable power. We will never see a chimp play a piano or beat a drum. What part of the brain does this come from? Why do songwriters hear melodies in their heads that have to be written down?
Until someone explains to me the miracle of music I will stick with my Creator.
Besides, He gives me my rights
Peace

They are both collectivist organizations and thus stymie individualism for the sake of conformity.

Science is easier to figure out -- it is a law "that's" what they are saying is "truth" -- Everything else is hypothesis or theory. Now theory is stronger than hypothesis -- it's been peer reviewed but as of yet there's no way to "prove" it 100% of the time (meaning there's some dissent).

Hypothesis is basically an educated guess -- more like a request for people to check it out; so it can then move into "theory"

The fact that Science is 99% based on Gov't Welfare or Private Contracts (using some or all gov't welfare dollars) and is devoid of free-market competitive drivers there is no impetus or properly assessed consumer demand.

Religion relies on peer concensus -- that's why there's a 100 denominations -- because they can't agree over how to "go about worship" or "interpretations" or where to place importance (relevance). So, within each group -- there is concensus of believe (socialism).

Religion does not seek consumer demand -- it is the only place in the world where consumer-desire is subjugated or suppressed. Their product is primarily comfort and meaning.

Now Jesus and all other "Masters" came here to teach individualism -- every single one over-through the dogma of their day -- the primary religion of their provence or locality or country.

The first thing to throw out if you subjugate a people is "individualism" -- that they need no intermediary. The opposite of what every master or entrepreneur or free-market tell's you.

Science puts Gov't between you and the entrepreneur.

Religion puts the Church between you and God.

Therefore I trust neither to provide me with either good ("Law" and "Meaning") -- now that's self-rule / liberty.

Octobox

To anyone halfway paying attention, we(regular smoes, the same ones that get f***** over w/ great regularity throughout history) are on the verge of totally losing any hope of stopping the reg smoe final solution-that being a PTB making a final drive for total victory on multiple fronts.

Apparently, some conclude-"Oh, good time to debate a topic that is powerfully divisive and achieves ABSOLUTELY NOTHING of MEANINGFUL SUBSTANCE related to the pressing matters at hand.

Freaking Brilliant.

Keep fiddling Neros

Closing on a positive note:

Consider this concept, please-What do supporters of Ron Paul(and everything he stands for) think about evolution/creation? We stand for and believe in Individual FREEDOM, as such, we believe that all are free to hold whatever view they wish on any matter and that it is a small price to pay for each persons Individual FREEDOM to tolerate how others exercise their Freedom as they tolerate ours.

AND/OR RP supporters are rational people that realize no one will ever have a definitive answer to that question and it has next to no relevance to public policy, which makes it a stupid question. Don't ask us stupid questions.

If a person is here on DP participating in the recovery of the Republic, how could they ignore the presence of an intelligent being -- a creator -- who inspired the idea -- a free country -- only the second one in the recorded history of mankind -- that was founded without a king -- and still believe that evolution alone is the cause of our existence?

How?

"Creator is a judicial creator. It was a man who gave away his liberty. So it had to be a man who would legally take that liberty and authority back. So Creator created another man (let's call him second man) who did exactly that." D.W.B.

"The revolutionary forces have to take civil society before they take the state, and therefore have to build a coalition of oppositional groups united under a hegemonic banner which usurps the dominant or prevailing hegemony." -Strinati, Dominic.

I believe the mystery of life allows for all possibilities

Evolution explains diversity. It doesn't even begin to explain the development of complex organisms, which require extremely complex
interaction of simpler organisms. Should even one of those complex interactions fail, extinction occurs.

Evolution is used by atheists as simple-minded excuse to deny God.
Maybe the real answer is that God is neither perfect, nor even particularly good. Maybe time is an endless loop and we simply invented ourselves.

the reason we are in such trouble as a nation is because the nwo has successfully DE-CHRISTIANIZED americans. This is one of the more important aspects of what we're fighting against...right up there with the fed, undeclared wars, patriot act... freakin fema camps, and global depopulation.

What is so devisive with talking about religion, even debating it? The bible played a major role in the making our country and the written of our constitution.

"All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world"

If you think this is all bs... just take a look around.

http://www.jbs.org/
Semper Fortis

Haven't we realized this devisive stuff is poison yet?

Flying Spaghetti Monster - blessed be his noodly appendages.

We the people CREATED a government to protect our liberty. That government has EVOLVED into a tyrannical monster.

That's about all I know about creation vs.evolution, God and governance.

If we do not come to terms with our immediate problem, namely a fascist system bent on depriving us of every shred of liberty we have, it will matter not what I believe, it will only matter what the rulers believe.

I am a bible guy but I understand people will believe what they want.
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Our world view starts at the core of exsistane. If a bible believer and an athiest can start from vastly different fondations and end up at the freedom message we should rejoice. We should repect eachothers beliefs.
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Clearly we have learned that the experts are not outside the relm of bias. Many "facts" can be twisted to try to fit a particular objective. If a person wants to believe the interpretation of the evidence by experts from either side so be it. The are FREE to do so.
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Let's just not teach theory as fact. If we ever gain power we can debate all this then. Let's focus on the task at hand. Freedom for all.
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I do have a firm position in this pony show but I could set it aside knowing that here is not the place. When people are ready for God then I can share what I have found true.
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if people wish to leave faith then you can share and they will listen. Positions are pretty well entrenched and a compromise seems in order.

So you really belive that everything came from nothing? Wow now that takes faith!

This is a six month old thread. Let it die again.

from my DP post 3/20/09 - When will this inane debate ever evolve into something akin to common sense?

Do you remember how the "debates" were manipulated and orchestrated so as to make a fool of Dr. Paul or eliminate Dr. Paul's superb truths or to ostracize him altogether? That framing of the debate has been going on since day one with "evolution vs creationism". Does anyone really believe the answer to Life is EITHER evolution OR creation? To get to a more realistic comprehension of LIFE (in its totality) one would by common sense have to broaden the debate frame. Personally I prefer no frame or rule set whatsoever but most people are afraid of free or critical thinking. They become uncomfortable with out-of-their-box thinking. IMHO until and unless the debate frame and/or rule set on this issue is expanded or eliminated this is a STUPID debate maintained by those in control to control what people think and how they think it
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as also support for their particular belief system instead of opening up to what might be considered a Greater Truth based in science or wisdom instead of belief or opinion.

In this universe there is no such thing as "nothing". There is however "no thing" meaning instead energy of some sort or as SVP likes to say "dispersed matter" as in the non-empty vacuum of Outer Space. The physical universe is constructed of Idea or "mind substance". Hence God THOUGHT the physical universe into being and its substance is centralized and individuated condensations of positive and negative flows of Mind Stuff - quantized force and energy - that expand and contract. Hence these initial constructs EVOLVED into more complex structures. The debate is not EITHER OR but a more complex intermingling of the two forces plus many others. If you really are interested in this topic from a scientific view that also includes the spiritual aspects please visit the SVPwiki where new things and concepts like "mind substance" and "God" are more precisely defined:

http://pondscienceinstitute.on-rev.com/svpwiki/tiki-index.php

You have every right to believe what you believe. But as a person who was a raised a roman catholic and who went to church every week for 20 years, I just don't believe in organized religion. My problem is that they start you when you are so young and defenseless, that no matter what you parents say you have to believe it.