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More proof 9/11 conspiracy nuts really are nuts

Not that any of the conspiracy crackpots will believe it, but here is the definitive word on tower three.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7485331.stm

"Steel structure weakened

It says Tower Seven had an unusual design, built over an electricity substation and a subway; there were many fires that burnt for hours; and crucially, fire fighters could not fight the fires in Tower 7, because they didn't have enough water and focused on saving lives.
Investigators have focused on the east side where the long floor spans were under most stress.
They think fires burnt long enough to weaken and break many of the connections that held the steel structure together.
Most susceptible were the thinner floor beams which required less fireproofing, and the connections between the beams and the columns. As they heated up the connections failed and the beams sagged and failed, investigators say.
The collapse of the first of the Twin Towers does not seem to have caused any serious damage to Tower Seven, but the second collapse of the 1,368ft (417m) North Tower threw debris at Tower Seven, just 350ft (106m) away.
Tower Seven came down at 5.21pm. Until now most of the photographs have been of the three sides of the building that did not show much obvious physical damage. Now new photos of the south side of the building, which crucially faced the North Tower, show that whole side damaged and engulfed in smoke."




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Shock and Awe started on

Shock and Awe started on 9/11.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
-- Jean Luc Picard

Things are only impossible until they are not.
-- Jean Luc Picard

I am sure this post will go

I am sure this post will go a really long way to get Ron Paul nominated. Thank you so freaking much for all the energy you put into anti truther posts. Now why don't you run up the street and convince the entire world that buildings fell because airplanes hit them? (and a building fell just because it was there) Or maybe you could use this energy to tell people about the constitution or the illegal war? But oh, hell no, you would rather disagree about 9-11. Well here's my view. There are a lot of pieces of the truth missing about 9-11. But there are no pieces missing about the patriot act, fisa, homeland security, torture camps, fema camps, and total disregard of the rights of all persons that are legal citizens of this country. But those topics take some time to research when with this you can just say them dumb truthers are crazy. Any one dumb enough to believe the "official" story is lost. You really believe that the government has your best interests at heart.
I am sorry for the outburst, but I am so tired of people running their mouths about a terrible tragedy and calling others names.

Formerly rprevolutionist

great point

Divide and rule.......all we want is a real(independent this time)investigation.
Ron wants it Dennis Kucinich has called for it.

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It only takes 2....

people to create a conspiricy.
I fail to understand how anyone, after seeing photos and video, can still believe that the towers fell due to the airplane hits and fire. I just don't get it!
Our once-great nation has become as Orwellian as anyone could fathom.
For those of you who still believe the "official excuses", I promise to do my level-best to keep my mind and ears open to you if you can give reasonable answers to these: The Pentagon and PA aside, I have 3 items regarding the NYC events I would like to hear from you regarding. 1) Explain the angle cuts of the verticle support beams and streams of molten steel dripping from them as seen on CNN and most TV coverage.
2) Explain the corroberating stories of police and firemen (most, ex-military guys) who said they could still smell the chordite while digging for survivors. 3) Explain the stories of rescue workers describing the molten steel running down the girder channels underground 7 days after the collapse. We have all been hammered with the exact temps that unpressurized jet fuel burns and the temps at which that particular type of steel melts...concrete, drywall or blow-on insulation aside.
As a disclaimer, I do have a science degree but it isn't physics. I do not have a pilot's license. I have driven race cars for over 20 years and have a better-than-average understanding of physics and forces-applied. I also have a construction background, but not in steel skyscrapers.
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Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.

"The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." - Patrick Henry

There is a ton of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.

Belief in the official theory is an indication of weakminded-ness

Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas

"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."

Famous Quote from Justice William O. Douglas

"The Constitution is not neutral.
It was designed to take the government
off the backs of people."

Check Out The new film ZERO

450 people collaborated for this non-profit film that will air on Italian Television. Similar films like Loose Change will never be aired in the US because our Government controls TV Radio and the Newspapers, that's exactly why these murderers want to regulate the internet. Without the internet free speech would be non-existent. One clip from the film shows four or five guys after the Pentagon attack carrying an injured person, one of those carrying the injured man was Donald Rumsfeld??? WTF? There were 86 cameras present at the time of the Pentagon attack, where's the plane??? Where's the plane in PA???? Where you morons?? The whole story is a fraud, the FAA is not incompetent, this is not about incompetence it is about complicity. Total inside job and this Country will not begin to recover until the truth is revealed and the murderers are dealt with. BOMBS-MISSELS-REMOTE CONTROLLED PLANES sum up the day.

9/11 was an inside job .....time to get some answers..RP 2008

9/11 was an inside job .....time to get some answers..RP 2012

Link?

You have a link to this Zero film?

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

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Bet you would love

to have that huh? Might get you that promotion you been dreaming about.

definitive?

"That would make it the first and only steel skyscraper in the world to collapse because of fire."

The ONE AND ONLY! Definitive alright.

The Meridian building in Philly burned for TWENTY HOURS, and never even wilted.

A few years later, the burned out steel structure became a large scale renovation project, as the steel never flinched.

I can see it now...

The governments new investigation into 9/11 and the cause???? The steel "FLINCHED" Lol.

Dear fellow RP patriot NJforRP

Steel buildings that are not encased by cement, have fell.

Please go to my Conspiracy Debunked thread here and see my comments and links on Steel framed buildings:http://www.dailypaul.com/node/52918

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

PS. You may also be interested in Thermite claims.

http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

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FUCK YOU TREG.

I do not care who fucking sees this. FISA passed so I can kiss my ass good by anyhow. You are the most wothless peice of shit known to man. You trapse around this site and make a fucking mockery of 3000 dead americans who were sacrificed to enstate a god damn perpetual war on terror so more people could be killed and enslaved.. I swear to god I wish I could find you and beat you with a fucking base ball bat once for every time some one has aimlessly died in IRAQ, AFGANASTAN, and I am talking about our boys as well as their people. YOU ARE A COWARD AND A GOD DAMN PANDERING DISINFO PEICE OF SHIT.

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Civil passion out the window

I concur 100% Or but this is a little much don't you think? Let us continue with the factual evidence like you posted today--we've got an undebunkable case--let's follow it through. Their time is coming, and it won't be pretty. We have several means of knowing who these shills are and: JUSTICE. WILL. BE. SERVED.

"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."

I say

Oruval is right on, traitors deserve nothing more than to have their necks stretched. This includes the lowest amoung their ranks, the disinformation agents.

I will be amoung those calling for deep investigations tracking IPs and bringing even the lowliest worms to justice!

no matter how minor you role in keeping this lie from comming to the surface you deserve to be punished.

The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare

I don't know about "nuts"...

It is a primary function of the brain to detect danger. To observe movement and facial expressions and other data and determine whether action is needed. We all do it.

Is that waving grass over there, really a lion's mane? Is this person lying? Is that really a wolf in sheep's clothing? Is something "off" and is it dangerous?

It's apparent that some people are much more sensitive to these inputs. It's as if their significance "dial" is turned way up. They can be superstitious, ascribing significance to a red light turning green when most of us recognize that as a coincidence.

Some are not sensitive at all. Trusting to a fault.

I suspect this may be determined by hormone or brain structure differences.

The trick is the same, regardless: you have a gut reaction, a suspicion, some data; how can you test to see if your suspicion is justified?

For myself, on Sept. 12, I drew a diagram of the towers (based on my imagination) and described how I thought the structures could have failed from the impact and heat. Years later, when the report came out, that's what they concluded happened, so I wasn't surprised.

In my experience, incompetent and fearful people far, far outnumber comicbook villains. Fear and incompetence, together, can look like people acting in conspiracies from the outside, but really be people reacting spontaneously.

IMissLiberty

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easter bunny

Have you ever believed a lie? Been tricked, or decieved by someone or something? I used to believe in Santa Claus, and that GWB was a Christian because he claimed to be born again. Jimmy Carter claimed the same and promptly formed the Dept.of Dis-education. For years I did not want to believe the "truthers" but the objective evidence is against the "official conspiracy theory".

Culture is Religion externalized.

Treg !!!!

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What about the "orders that still stand" given by Cheney?

Why wasn't the Mineta Testimony headline news and/or part of the final 9/11 Commission Report?

Is it wrong for Americans to want to know what those orders were given by Cheney concerning craft coming into the Pentagon with several warnings given by the young man?

You aren't going to try to say that Mineta was imagining that event, are you?

Why did the 9/11 Commission say that Cheney didn't arrive to that bunker until about a half-hour later than Mineta had placed him there, giving or perpetuating the orders that "still stand"?

Who is lying?

Why the covering-up of this VERY important piece of the 9/11 puzzle by the media and 9/11 Commission?

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Patrick
Polk County, Florida

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www.vaclib.org

Oh, Yet Again I Ask...

Ok, We could be here all day...Inside Job? Yes? No???? Answer me this. WHY HASN'T ANYONE BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE HUGEST MONTEMENTAL BLUNDER OF OUR TIME? This wasn't some 5 and dime store that got held up, folks. This was the greatest superpower on this earth ( supposedly) we have a multi billion dollar defense system which FAILED. All levels of security failed on that day. Standard protocols were ignored and suspended. Are we safe now? Especially questionable with wide open borders. How do we know our defenses wont fail again, without a proper unbiased investigation? That is a governments first priority, to keep it's citizens safe! A mistake doesn't cut it. Training exercises dont cut it. Stand down doesn't cut it either. WHERE IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY? A big oil slick made by a oceanliner would gather more attention than this and HAS. Where was the reconstructions of the planes? Why was there no studies and evaluations done for possible explosives? It's not about the mounting evidence pointing it to an inside job. It's about the lack of accountability. We must find the truth or either way none of us are ever going to be truly safe again.

Dear fellow RP patriot American Loves RP

All good questions!!!!!!!!!!

No, I do not have an answer.

Yes, I did see the 9/11 Truther videos on Mineta and I did see the claims they made. VERY convincing! And I confess it goes straight to my own bias of not liking NeoCon Dick Cheney. I would LOVE to see him impeached and put in jail. I would love for Dennis K's impeachment to work.

But I confess, even though I WANT to believe this Mineta/Cheney thing...that Cheney had our Norad fighter jets "Stand down" and in effect "let" the hijacked passenger plane hit the Pentagon....--- seeing this claim up on 9/11 Truther sites gives me little hope that it is indeed true. I wish it was true, and I must hold my own WISHES in check and not be "played" or "duped" by the leaders in the 9/11 Truther camps.

One thing comes to mind.... that is this.... On the one hand Truthers claim Cheney had the fighter jets "stand down" and not hit the hijacked passenger plane that was to crash into the Pentagon....and on the Other hand the 9/11 Truthers claim that "Really" a rocket hit the Pentagon and not a Passenger Plane.... So right there, which is it? You can't believe in BOTH Pentagon conspiracies, right? That makes no sense to me if you do.

Well my fellow RP Patriot, I am off to the www.freedomfest.com for 4 days. When I return I will investigate it for you. But you really should investigate it yourself. Start by going here: http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/ and search around and see if someone has done the heavy lifting to vet this fact as true or not true. If SCREW LOOSE CHANGE website has not vetted this Mineta - Cheney 9/11 Truther "fact" ... then there is HOPE !

But Remember, just because you do not know the answer today, does not mean you must accept the Conspiracy point of view, today.

In the same way, here in Phoenix there is all this talk of UFOs because no one can figure out the strange lights seen over the horizon here. Just because we cannot figure it out --- today---- does not mean we must therefore adopt the UFO explanation ---today.

In the same way, just because I (or you) do not know the full story on the Mineta - Cheney - Norad deal, DOES NOT MEAN we must therefore ACCEPT the Conspiracy claims.... (even as much as I would like too! I confess I really would like to see Cheney impeached and behind bars!)

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

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The "debunkers" can't explain the Mineta Testimony

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It gets 'em every time.

There's no physics to argue.

There's no manipulation of audio or video or "blue screens"

It's IN YOUR FACE on CSPAN in front of the 9/11 Commission.

WHAT WERE THE ORDERS THAT "STILL STAND"?

WE DEMAND TO KNOW !!!!!!
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Patrick
Polk County, Florida

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www.vaclib.org

Whether it was a "stand down" order or not........

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.........is really beside MY point.

We can only ASSUME what that order was at this point.

Regardless, why wasn't Mineta's testimony mainstream headline news?

We are going to have people NOT believing the OFFICIAL story unless these questions are answered.

The fact that Dick Cheney had this exchange with the young man in the command-bunker is HUGE news - regardless of what the order was - and it is NOT looking good for our government and media that it was buried.

And by the way, you called the Mineta Testimony a "truther" video............actually, that testimony was carried on CSPAN in front of the 9/11 Commission...............it's not a "truther" video...............it's mainstream, archived, undeniable history.

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Patrick
Polk County, Florida

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www.vaclib.org

It seems the question is simple then.

Where, dear patriot, might we find a bride for our champion of the constitution?

My main problem with the

My main problem with the 9/11 conspiracy theories, is that even if the government wanted it to happen, it would make a lot more sense to just take the towers and pentagon out with planes.

Believe it or not, there actually are terrorists in the world. If the government wanted the political power that comes from an attack on US soil, why not just let Al-Qaeda do it for them?

The idea of a controlled demo, makes no sense, and there are plenty of competing theories among truthers about just how the government was behind it. This indicates that the evidence is circumstantial enough that it leads people to various conclusions, based on their own speculation and conjecture.

The American people have heard this version of events, and most of them reject it. The evidence of conspiracy, which is supposedly so clear, just doesn't convnce me, or most Americans. What is the point in pushing this even if you think it's true? The people just aren't buying it.

Eh?

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/54267

"The body is but a vessel for the soul,
A puppet which bends to the soul's tyranny.
And lo, the body is not eternal,
For it must feed on the flesh of others,
Lest it return to the dust whence it came.
Therefore the soul deceives and despises."

The truth is that neither

The truth is that neither the Truthers nor the Debunkers can *prove* their case, as the government allowed all the evidence at the crime scene to be carted off, where it ended up on Staten Island or sold to China for scrap.

The government certainly never proved its case, and the 9-11 Commission was a lightweight, ineffectual probe that was serously lacking in gravitas. No "investigation" that omits the collapse of a 47-story skyscraper 400 feet from WTC-1 can be called a serious investigation.

So it boils down to an argument over whose theory looks most plausible using photographic and video evidence. In my opinion, the Truther side of the argument is most plausible, and squares most solidly with engineering and the laws of physics.

There is no physical evidence, however, so neither side can prove its case.

Debunkers, take note: There is no official backup for what you have to say. Nothing was proven to support your theories. So when you say WTC-7 fell because of high-rise fires inside it, you have no official story to back you up. The most credible backup you have is an article published in Popular Mechanics.

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You're right, conspiracy nuts are the problem.

That's right, you heard me. The morons who still believe that 19 hijackers, through their steely determination, prayers, and vastly superior knowledge of our air defense systems, their unparalleled piloting skills, and ability to suspend the laws of physics we able to strike a blow at the heart of freedom on 9/11/01....

If you believe that, you're F'ing nuts. Why not try using real science, using real instruments, analyzing real materials and producing real data about what happened on 9/11/01?

JeffH, The debunkers HAVE used Real Science, used Real ...

instruments and analyzed real materials and produced real data about what happened.

I am happy that you and I and my fellow RP R3VOLutionaries can both agree on the NEED to stick with that.

We do not need to go down conspiracy roads to advance the very small federal & state government agenda.

Now after you visit my Conspiracy Threads Here: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/52918
The question is ....will you choose TRUTH as best we know it to be? Or TRUTH as you SUSPECT it to be?

Question: Is there any Conspiracy then? Yes, indeed there is and few seem to be talking about it, except this guy here: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/54187

But remember JeffH, the last vestige of a scoundrel is to hide behind insults. If you have an argument, present it for all of us to see. Even if its just a link. We can all go there and read it for ourselves. If the Debunkers get intern Debunked, I will be the first to switch back to a 9/11Truther again.. But calling people "morons". calling people "F'ing nuts" and making assertions that science is on your side, does not make it so and most of all does not advance your argument.

In Peace & Liberty,
Treg

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Sorry you are wrong.

The debunkers have used no such thing. All the debunkers have done is used technobable, the same nonsense used in startrek technical sounding nonsense that is able to fool the uneducated.

Just because there are those within the shills ranks with degrees means nothing. They are paid or threated to give their false testimony.

I promise you for each Doctor/physisist you can present I can bring forth 20 perhaps even 50.

The truthers have a massive list of profesionals In ever field involved. You are a shill in sheeps clothing or simply guilible.

There is no insult in pointing out the simple truth of the matter, think on that before you try to using that boring scripeted defense on me.

The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare

The First 9/11 Truthers

Were 5 widows from New Jersey who all lost their husbands on 9/11.

It took them 14 months of touring the country and doing TV talk shows to build enough pressure to get an official investigation started.

14 months! Before an investigation even began!

Watch the 2 min. trailer here.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8666444901186351024

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Go to...

The "9/11 thread to end all 9/11 threads - UNDEBUNKABLE" thread for some REAL science.

Read it this time.

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