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9/11 thread to end all 9/11 threads - UNDEBUNKABLE

Everyone keeps making these 9/11 threads where they present their own little half baked theories and try to "prove" whether or not 9/11 was an inside job. I think discussion of 9/11 is very important and extremely relevant to everything we are fighting for here in the liberty movement. That is why I am making this thread.

However, I will not present another set of platitudes and shoddy explanations. I am not a professional with a doctorate, and as such I think it is important to inject a little real science from people who are. Here I am going to post unbiased scientific papers which show with apodictic certainty that controlled demolition MUST have occurred.

To me, at least, it seems there is a serious lack of scientific understanding on daily paul, and it can get frustrating. If you do not understand what science is, or how evidence and reason work, please go back to one of the other 9/11 rumor threads. Anyone who does understand science, please read these papers openly and honestly, and I guarentee you will see that controlled demolition is obvious and certain.

Here are some papers:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/WTCHighTemp2.pdf
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200703/Sudden_coll...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/LeggeVertical...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200611/911-Acceler...
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/JLobdillThe...

And here is the site which publishes the papers:

www.journalof911studies.com

9/11 is the most important thing we can discuss, in my humble opinion. Why is that? Because 9/11 is that absolute backbone of everything that has been happening. Every neocon has rested their political career on it, every police state measure and war measure rests upon it, the entire credibility of the MSM depends upon 9/11 truth not coming out. If we can break 9/11, then we bring down the entire establishment in one fell swoop. It is the Achilles tendon of the criminals in government and the media, and it is vitally important to expose 9/11 and set everything straight once and for all....

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Wake Up!!!

George Bush Sr. = the former head of CIA, GAVE weapons to Saddam Hussein, (pics of this on internet), countless other crimes...

G.W. Bush JR. = acting president During 911 attack, Liar, War Criminal, theif, etc.

&

Marvin P. Bush (THE BROTHER of G.W. you don't know about) = In CHARGE OF SECURITY on the 911 SITE! He was a principal player in a company called Securacom/Stratesec that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. Those of you who don't think this was a Neo-Con Bush-whacker job are delusional.

That is just WAY TOO MANY Bushs' in my book! (Let's not forget the Jeb Bush creating diversions in FLA).

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uilVwJN1qT8

Obama = O.ne B.ig A.ss M.istake A.merica

The 9/11 Operation: A Summary

The 9/11 operation consisted of the following activities:

Military exercises by the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) with 22 imaginarily hijacked planes on 9/11/2001, before and simultaneously with the “real” hijackings. Some of the defense interceptors flew to Alaska, as far as possible from the cities that were being attacked. All FAA Flight Termination Systems (FTS) were deactivated so that no “false groundings” of commercial planes would occur.

The operation involved the “hijackings” of four civilian aircraft, then substituting them with remote-controlled USAF aircraft or “drones”. It is certain that an operation this complex and sophisticated (even in the preparations of the demolition charges at the WTC) is not left to be handled by Arab lackeys armed only with carpeting knives. Plissken-Valentine, FTS by SPC or Pearl are well-documented available technologies on how the aircraft/attack portion of the operation was performed. Since the part of airplanes hijacked and flown into buildings was critical to the real aims of the operation there must have been a couple of reserve planes for the USAF - Boeing 767's and the Global Hawk. Alternatively, the Boeing 757 shot down in Pennsylvania might well have been a remote- controlled reserve plane utilized because of the NORAD exercises.

More... http://www.arsenalofhypocrisy.com/911/9-11_Truth.htm

"PunJab! Bring me my checkbook!"

9-11

video you tube then type in aaron russo nick rockefeller
you tube then type in BURIED 60 Minutes INTERVIEW / INDICTMENT

Liberty is our campaigns gift to the world it is our manifest destiny.
Freedom is a movement who's time has come. Our campaign will lead to world wide freedom.

Liberty is our campaigns gift to the world it is our manifest destiny.
Freedom is a movement who's time has come. Our campaign will lead world wide freedom.

I think EVERYONE can agree- 'SOMETHING' is 'UP' -bottom line.

Whether there is 'proof' for certain actions, explosions, and stories is debatable.

I think MOST people would agree, that while we might not know EXACTLY what happened and DIDN'T HAPPEN- we can ALL agree that SOMETHING DOES 'NOT' seem right about the whole 9/11.

Either our government was involved in the very DESTRUCTION of the buildings, OR the government SIMPLY KNEW ABOUT the attacks before hand but did NOTHING to create another 'Pearl Harbor' situation.

I think we ALL can agree- the government is being LESS THAN TRUTHFUL ABOUT ''''''MUCH'''''' OF THE DETAILS.

GO RON PAUL!!!!!!

I disagree ....

Most likely the government did not know. They should have and that is where the investigation should concentrate.

Also, almost definitely, the government did not have an active role in 9/11.

Notice, I said "Almost definitely". This implies speculation.

I do agree that the government is most likely being less than forthcoming with the evidence that they possess.

WAHOR!!

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dammit all to hell, rhinoplasy!

you speak in circles trying so damn hard to not give in to the TRUTH!!

you are so damn gullible!! so unassuming....please send me 5000 dollars in a plain, unmarked envelope and i will make you rich!

O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

I would do just that ...

If I believed you.

Be prepared, because it is hard to convince me of anything without evidence.

WAHOR!!

so silly

why would the government have the evidence of a crime scene removed illegally as soon as possible man ? think about it ?

All the steel that was cut had to be taken away before it was scrutinized but pieces were recovered and fouind to have thermate residue . So they messed up and the case will be pending with that evidence.

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Stop the NWO....It's just illumi..Naughty !

I have seen all the evidence available and I have studied all ..

the theories.

If someone thinks I haven't then I challenge them to show me.

By the way, illegally removing evidence is a crime, do you have names, because I did not see Rudy remove one piece of evidence.

The thermite residue theory has been debunked.

I actually hope you are right, because it makes our job a lot easier, but hope will get you a wet willy and an audience in front of a theater full of humans that do not exist.

WAHOR!!

that is where they lost me.

yes, they hauled away the debris and it was destroyed.

is it illegal at this point??? depends on who's doing the 'defining'.

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you are a liar!

you are an imbecile, an idiot and you are part of the problem

you haven't studied all of the evidence you callous jerk!
because if you had, in effect, studied ALL of the evidence you would not reach this insane conclusion you try to put forward

just go away troll...
save your lies for sunday school
i am done wasting my time with you, you moron, you plant, you insignificant LIAR!!

from now on, when you hear me say troll, you can read between the lines

O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

I am not a liar ...

and I request that you back that accusation up with some evidence.

Remember, Mr. Cage clearly states when he is speculating.

Barry Jennings is a proven liar.

Alex Jones releases edited footage.

If you wish I can prove all these in a few minutes.

WAHOR!!!

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very funny...

you want me to show "more" evidence while you show zero, zilch, nada, nothing, except--- "nope, didn't happen"...typical

O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

To each thier own...

Why get into a debate with someone who does not show that they can follow something to a logical conclusion?

If you want to do that, just go to a local insane asylum and argue with a patient about why red is blue... it all ends up the same at the end of the debate. Just a waste of time on your part.

Rhino has his beliefs. I have mine. You have yours. At this point in the game, it seems he is sticking by his guns.

So no amount of logic is going to fix that for him. It is just what he believes.

That we find his thoughts faulty is a given: that he thinks he is right is his right. Or wrong....lol.

So no sense answering him anymore.. he already has shown that he will not be swayed by things like math, gravity, logic, reality, physics, etc.

Nobody learns anything from this kind of debate.

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

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thank you!

...ty

O Captain, My Captain, rise up and hear the bells!

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Devon

I am disappointed.

This has nothing to do with my beliefs. As I have stated, I have no preconceived conclusions about 9/11.

I will let the logic statement speak for itself.

WAHOR!!

Why don't you take that a bit further...

and just speak for yourself then?

It seems, from what you have been saying, that you have certain thoughts about 9/11.

I'm open to any views on the subject.. what do you think?

Last time I checked, Mike still doesn't really allow free speech here.. so if you want to discuss your views on another forum, you are a member of mine.

If you wish to discuss it here, I'll start a thread for you.

Are you willing to tell me what you think happened?

After all, it is just logic, as you say... let's see where this goes then!

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

It is very simple ...

and it has everything to do with the truth and not what I believe, because they are identicle.

The truth is we do not know the complete truth.

And I will add, we probably never will.

But I sure would love complete transparency and the release of all evidence so that independant groups can do their own investigation and publish their own conclusions.

Do not worry, I will visit from time to time.

WAHOR!!

You are not willing to tell me then?

I asked a very simple question, after all. If you are an admitted expert to what happened at 9/11 or not.. can you at least share with me what you think happened?

It requires a simple answer.. yes, or no.

If you can, then I'll start a thread here for you.. if that makes you uncomfortable, I will start a thread at LibertyLove.

If you cannot, then the last 4 months of you debunking everything as you go makes no sense at all... because that means you have no clue.

SoOo.. what's it gonna be?

HINT... this is a yes or no answer.

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

Waiting on Rhino again....

~Whistling the theme song to Jeopardy~

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

why bother ?

he's a moron ? I'm a structural engineer I build everyday .

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Stop the NWO....It's just illumi..Naughty !

Just to let you know ...

I know you are lying about being a structural engineer.

You also claim to be a musician, be involved in cults, have a friend that disappeared in Oregon who was fighting against chemtrails, a daughter in San Diego, and so on and so on.

Get lost, you are a proven liar.

WAHOR!!

Are you a builder or an engineer?

I am in the same field, not an engineer, but similar.

WAHOR!!

I didn't think so.

Case closed.. never mind.

~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~

seriously

If I accepted something as rediculous as the Official story of the collapses I would be laughed out of my company and people would think I'm insane. Everyone in my business knows it's a joke but they won't tell you that on the "news"

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Do you work for this company or do you own it?

Just curious.

WAHOR!!

Sentinel ...

you say you are a structural engineer.

What type of work do you do?

WAHOR!!

I have been building houses for 25 years now

two community hospitals a skating center and when I started I built a bunch of detroit river front bars , four in total. the hospitals were only designed by me.

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Are you a builder with

a structural engineering degree or do you just collaborate with an archetecht on the design of the structures?

WAHOR!!

I will assume that you had to step away.

I must do the same.

Good night.

WAHOR!!