Child Protective Services Can Take Your Children Too: New Video on Another Family Abused by CPS in Texas
Submitted by We the People on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 08:42
New Report:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SPeFECAEqHk
Another home that was invaded by nearly a dozen police officers and CPS workers, without a search warrant, and 13 children were kidnapped and taken from their family with no charges, based on a phone call.
The court ordered the children returned immediately, CPS was disappointed, and even though no charges were filed against the parents, CPS got revenge by continuing to list the parents in the state child abuser registry on 26 counts of child abuse based solely upon their opinion that one child was 'emotionally' abused by having a baggy pinned to their shirt as punishment for stealing.
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What was the reason they took the kids?
Because one of the kids had a bag stapled inside his clothes as punishment for stealing?
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I been commenting on the
I been commenting on the wrong video(well the right one that I watched about the yuck mouth mom....if she's not on meth then someone needs to introduce her to a toothbrush)
The one above is just wrong but that doesn't mean you throw out the baby with the bath water(woohoo finally got to use that catch phrase). Sounds like they need to clean house and people need to get out and vote down those laws that allows that kind of blatant abuse of power. Thats exactly the same crap that happen to the flds parents where there was no immediate danger but they use the law like the FBI use the Patriot act to go after regular criminals.
I do think that the parents were wrong trying to teach their children not to steal like that. They should get a better education as to how to steal properly and legally so they can become future politicians,
I took it as something other than punishment
The bag had instructions on what to do based on the family's belief stealing would happen again. I think the kid had a compulsive problem and the family just wanted to streamline the process when he was caught stealing again. Unless there was something outrageous written on the note, this was just practical.
Families of children with Tourette's do it all the time by leaving the child with notes to hand to someone they offend.
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Yes.
Yes, that was it. 26 counts of child abuse for pinning a baggy to one of the kid's shirts as a punishment for stealing (13 for each parent - 1 for each kid for witnessing the punishment) - the worst part is, the parents are still in the state registry as "child abusers" after the case was dismissed by a judge, CPS refuses to remove them.
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I guess I still don't get it
What was the point of pinning the baggy inside the clothes? What was it going to be used for?
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"We will never give up. We will never give in." - Dr. Ron Paul
It was a punishment for
It was a punishment for stealing. I think they put the wrappers of whatever the kid stole, inside the baggy, with the letter.
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The Gates have taken on a righteous cause
When CPS investigates people, they use the threat that dirty laundry (or implications of it) would be aired if the victims complained. Their forte is targeting vulnerable families who wouldn't get a sympathetic ear.
You would think the rare family that is as squeaky clean as the Gates would also feel disinclined to speak out, just hoping it will all go away quickly and not soil their name by association.
They really deserve our thanks for not backing down.
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Mass CPS Corruption.
Apparently CPS abuse is much more widespread than I ever realized.
Why is the governemnt handing out bonuses for kids taken away and adopted out - that's pretty much asking for abuse?
What if bonuses were given to police for the number of arrests they made?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=I8h4SOwWXdc
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Government comes for newborn
After watching the above video a related video was linked. This related video shows the government showing up right after a baby is born in the hospital to take it away from it's mother without any sort of court approval.
One of the men even asks who signed the document, and the CPS worker admits she signed it herself.
The government has no business stealing newborn babies from mothers without any sort of judicial review or order.
Warning this video is very hard to watch, especially near the end:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TXwBRfxRSz8
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This business of abusing the concept of removing a child
from imminent danger when there is time to get a warrant has to be taken care of.
If we were decent human beings (and not conditioned to consider it the government's job) and we saw a child about to be abused, we would stop it on the spot. I see the concept of CPS removing a child who is in imminent danger as just saying your need for a warrant as a state actor doesn't prevent you from doing what a decent human being would do in those circumstances. For that reason, I wouldn't say get rid of the imminent danger exception altogether, but come down hard on those who abuse it for the purposes of gathering evidence they don't have.
In this particular case, it was abused in the sense that there was no excuse to not get a warrant.
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Once again devils advocate
Once again devils advocate here but did the mother look like she had meth teeth? She looks and acts like she's on meth or crack or heroin. I'd love to hear RP's thinking on this one. She didn't seem emotionally stable to handle that baby once it reached 3 years old and it was smarter than her.
Maybe, she just had
bad teeth some people with have bad teeth when they have no access to dental care. Maybe she had a past addiction? Who knows? Who is the bigger criminal here? The state who will in fact sell the baby for profit or the mother who will smoke the supposed dope? You people make me sick. You justify this criminal rogue CPS. Why are there no laws in place to keep the states from profiting from the sale of children. These bastards prey on the poorest of the poor and you people help enable. It is already quite in your face that the government needs no warrant to steal your children, enter your home, or listen to your conversations. GOD help you if you get a cavity.
I'd say the mother who
I'd say the mother who smokes the dope is the bigger criminal. Granted it's a slippery slope but I'd rather the state profit or god forbid someone actually step in and help the mother raise the child. If you're such a caring person I'm sure you could contact the state and tell them you will do whatever is necessary to adopt the child and have the mother move in with you so she can have some contact with her child.
Me and my wife had a big fight believe it or not over the flds situation where I was saying the state was wrong for how they just went in and took all those kids. She was adamant about how they did the right thing. It's a case by case thing with me and unfortunately we only see the glamorized cases that the media shows us. I'm sure there's plenty of cases where you would agree that the kids needs to be taken for there protection. i.e. you see a single father is raping his 6 year old. You can't tell me it's not the states/governments job to go in and help them.
The governments job is to defend us is it not? Tell me when is it right to go protect a child using the "government" to do so? A lot of you are just anarchist and think there's no need for a government at all and that's not RP's message.
The problem is too many people want to just hand over the responsibility to people they don't know because it's easier and you're just fking lazy.
RP's massage is to keep the power with the state's (State Government) not to abolish all government activities. If you don't like what you're getting from your local "Government" you go out and vote them out and create change.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government
A government is "the organization, that is the governing authority of a political unit,"[1] "the ruling power in a political society,"[2] and the apparatus through which a governing body functions and exercises authority.[3] "Government, with the authority to make laws, to adjudicate disputes, and to issue administrative decisions, and with a monopoly of authorized force where it fails to persuade, is an indispensable means, proximately, to the peace of communal life."[4] "A compulsory territorial monopolist of protection and jurisdiction equipped with the power to tax without unanimous consent. "[5] Statist theorists maintain that the necessity of government derives from the fact that the people need to live in communities, yet personal autonomy must be constrained in these communities.
This is what you are looking for:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
Anarchism (from Greek ἀν (without) + ἄρχειν (to rule) + ισμός (from stem -ιζειν), "without archons," "without rulers")[1] is a political philosophy encompassing theories and attitudes which support the elimination of all compulsory government[2][3][4][5] (including but not limited to the state), and is often described as opposition to all forms of authority.[6] Anarchism is defined by The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics as "the view that society can and should be organized without a coercive state."[7]
There are many types and traditions of anarchism,[8][9] not all of which are mutually exclusive.[10] Anarchism is usually considered to be a radical left-wing ideology,[11] and as such much of anarchist economics and legal philosophy reflect anti-authoritarian interpretations of communism, collectivism, syndicalism or participatory economics; however, anarchism has always included an individualist strain,[11] including those who support free-market capitalism (e.g. market anarchists) and other market-orientated economic structures (e.g. mutualists).[12][13][14] As defined by the 21st century anarchist Cindy Milstein, anarchism is a "political tradition that has consistently grappled with the tension between the individual and society." [15] Others, such as panarchists and anarchists without adjectives neither advocate nor object to any particular form of organization.
According to The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, "there is no single defining position that all anarchists hold, beyond their rejection of compulsory government, and those considered anarchists at best share a certain family resemblance".[16] Anarchist schools of thought differ fundamentally, supporting anything from extreme individualism to complete collectivism.[7] Some anarchists have vocally opposed all types of coercion, while others have supported the use of some coercive measures, including violent revolution on the path to anarchy or utopia
Your nuts.
And your arrogance is astounding. Number one, because someone has bad teeth does not make them a drug user. I said supposed, supposed does not mean it's a fact. How about being poor and no access to dental coverage? There are millions of people without health coverage including children. Do you advocate all of them be ripped from thier parents as well? Not everyone can be rich, who would do the rich peoples laboring or thier bidding? If I had the accomodations, or the means, yes I would be glad to take in another family, especially one who was trying to overcome poverty. If it meant keeping the state form profiting off of the children.Your statement alone reeks of class discrimination. Did it ever occur to you that maybe she was distraught that another child was being taken from her? Even if she was on drugs, how about a program to help her? Do you know the reasons why people turn to drugs? Poverty is the number one reason. Addictions can be a very powerful thing. Because someone uses drugs, it doesn't mean they dont love thier children any less. It means they have an addiction, in which they need help. This doesn't garner the theft and abduction of children by the state to be sold for profit. How about a program to keep her with her children. Would that not be a first resort? Would that not be cheaper on the taxpayer?. No they ( CPS ) just take the child and sell it. Or worse it goes into the foster system another form of profit at the tax payers expense and I have had friends who have been in the foster system, all horror stories. I do not advocate leaving children in harms way. I however DO NOT advocate the state coming in and taking a child without a court order and a warrant and the aid signing the document herself? umm, wouldnt you say that makes us all slaves to the state? One more thing, I am not an anarchist. I advocate very limited government. Microscopic in nature. I believe if you do not harm others you should be able to live in peace without government intrusion. I dont like to be forced to do ANYTHING. I am sick of the direction this country is heading and frankly, I am getting tired of the tolerence of it.
Error on the Side of Freedom
Of course we should not ignore crimes or cases where parents are possibly unfit.
Crimes are crimes and they should be treated as such. But I would rather error on the side of giving people freedom and responsibility for themselves rather than the government even slightly overstepping it's bounds and running people's lives.
And, that is exactly what is happening with CPS. They are only supposed to remove children without a judge's order if there is imminent danger, yet instead, they have twisted this power to removing children for highly subjective things, such as "uncooperative" parents, "dirty" housekeeping, possible "emotional" abuse, young "looks," possible future abuse, and anything else they can imagine as "bad." When removing children from families is only a matter of the opinion of a CPS worker, then you will have a multitude of opinions. The problem is these are criminal charges, based upon opinions of non-judges without definite proof or evidence. And, there could be little worse than having your children taken from you. It's a very serious issue.
In addition, what is corrupting the system is that CPS gets a bigger budget for every child they snatch, thereby giving them incentive to snatch children.
Even worse, is that CPS gets thousands of dollars in bonuses for every child they adopt out.
Crimes are crimes and should be held accountable to the law, but this idea that we need children police running around taking children at nearly any whim, and deciding whether parents are fit to raise their own children, with a monetary incentive to take the kids away, is one of the worst things happening in our government today. It is a direct attack on American families.
How did we ever manage without CPS in the past?
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it's a fine line
meth mouth is what they call it and that's the same thing i thought about when i saw her. plus i'm not thrilled with the notion of having kids that you can't afford to take care of and living out of a motel room on welfare.
that said, i agree with sempiternal... the cps is TOTALLY out of control and are doing more harm than good.
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“We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what were putting up with” Ron Paul
“We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with.” Ron Paul
GOD I pray
your not a minister. This is why I dont go to church. Judge not least YOU be judged.
you just judged me
and i encourage you to judge everyone you meet or you might just come up missing. actually..... consciously and subconsciously YOU do judge EVERYONE you come in contact with, it is a evolutionary survival instinct (the latter may answer your first ?).
i know this because i have been studying psychology, social dynamics, body language and neuro-linguistic programming for many years now.
i'm not judging them in a punitive way, i'm just saying that they won't be babysitting for me!
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“We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what were putting up with” Ron Paul
“We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with.” Ron Paul
you would not believe
how many families live in hotels and motels and extended stays. With the lack of a livable wage and extraordinarily high rent prices (thanks to the boom and its inflated prices) these families cant help but provide shelter this way. Be careful everyone when placing these families under scrutiny and judgement.......you may soon find yourself in the same boat.
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is the guts it takes to
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from a sanitation standpoint i agree
from a sanitation standpoint i agree. the motel is required by law to be kept somewhat clean and safe or risk being shut down.
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“We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what were putting up with” Ron Paul
“We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with.” Ron Paul
Amen Moon
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The government has no business policing families.
It's none of the government's business to be deciding whether or not families are fit to raise their own children. That responsibility falls solely upon the parents. If they are not good parents then that is unfortunate, but the government should definitely not be in the business of splitting up families and deciding what is proper parenting.
In the past hour, I've been watching more CPS videos on YouTube and some parents have even had their children taken away for completely subjective things like "not cooperating" or a "dirty house."
Or the ultimate evil, complete lies, as in the FLDS case.
CPS should be abolished along with all the other excessive government agencies.
If someone even tried to invade my home and take my kids, they would be dead. It would not matter if it was an officer or agent of the government or otherwise. If everyone else felt the same, then we probably would not have government invading homes to split up families.
I'm sure Ron Paul would say the same thing, that the government has no business policing families. Trying to protect people from themselves is an impossible burden.
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I agree with you, the
I agree with you, the "government" shouldn't have any right to our children. However, if you had gotten a marriage license you gave away the right to your children.
Check out the information at these two links to see what I am talking about:
http://teamlaw.org/family.htm#Family
http://teamlaw.org/ProtectFamily.htm
Your links don't seem to be
Your links don't seem to be working. The whole "marriage license thing" is something I want to look into. My dad says he regrets getting a marriage license.
yup
"if you had gotten a marriage license you gave away the right to your children."
wards of the state!
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“We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what were putting up with” Ron Paul
“We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with.” Ron Paul
I can follow your thinking
I can follow your thinking for about 3 letters of your statement. I agree that they are over stepping their boundaries but the video I watched wasn't a good example of that. That woman needed to be hospitalized whether she had a child or not. There's no way she was capable of handling that baby. If you're against abortion then you should also be against slow abortion. That babies life would be ruined and calling it just unfortunate and part of the process of freedom is just ignorant. If you're not capable of taking care of your baby or yourself for that matter then something has to be done. Where's that babies choice in the matter to use an anti-abortion catch phrase? If you think theres so many alternatives to abortion then there's got to be an alternative to this.
How about she was
worried sick about the impending abduction of her newborn baby? How about she was tired and wore out from the birthing process. How about the hormone problems some mothers have. Your high and mighty attitude is sickening. Just because someone is poor and has very limited means does not mean thier lives are ruined. People can rise above poverty. The hard thing to rise above, is narrow minded judgemental people.
I imagine it's hard to rise above having family stolen from you.
I can't think of anything worse.
Everything else in this world is merely material - your family is the most important thing in your life.
To have your family stolen is probably life shattering, no such thing should ever be done without serious consideration, judicial review, and a worthy defense.
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Deceptive Reply
You can only follow my thinking for about 3 letters? Well obviously, you are being deceptive right from the beginning, so why even bother to read the rest of your reply?
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