Everyone, I support freedom of speech, but if you met all the delegates I did at the march you would drop Barr like yesterday
Was Bob Barr at the March, come on pull the wool off of your eyes. Who did Ron Paul endorse at the March, noone but us and himself. It is up to us to finish this for him, not finish it for Barr, but for Ron Paul. We have delegates, and more delegates going to the convention. It is the time to unite behind the original man with the master plan, not the time to get behind some guy who comes along to steal the fire. Ron Paul is our fire, so seek the flame and get behind our delegates. Please, if you see a Bob Barr post, post a new thread that Ron is still in it to win it and how we need to back our delegates. No need to silence anyones speech just reverse the game. If there is anything we know how to do on daily paul it is reversing the game. Of course and please go to www.dvds4delegates.com and steal delegates from McCain, how fun.
I couldn't agree more. This
I couldn't agree more. This thread is a good example of why the patriot movement has never accomplished much. Even with all the new people on board with Ron Paul common sense still seems illusive for most.
Dividing our energies only weakens us. If your not involved in you your local republican party you're not even in the game. Taking back the republican party is the only strategy that is currently working and has results.
Think about it what have all the marches and events accomplished? Very little. I suppose they are good for attracting new folks and they are fun to do on occasion but most of us are broke from the campaign and can't afford them and for the return on investment as far as helping the cause they are not worth it.
The one event I would have liked to go to as the Sturgis event because at least they had workshops and education etc. on being self reliant.
I think it would be great if Barr gets in the debates however Ron Paul was in the debates and here we are What makes you think Barr will accomplish something Dr. Paul did not?
Until we all as a movement focus the majority of our energy and efforts where it will get the most results and stop wasting so much time and money on feel good events that accomplish little or nothing get used to things getting steadily worse while folks here and elsewhere jump on all sorts of bandwagons going nowhere.
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You can't have both
after our delegates
After our delegates make an awesome showing for Dr. Paul in St. Paul, we hit the ground running to get Barr support and into the debates. We need to convert everybody, even the drug war supporting war mongers. Make em wake up and join us. Could Baldwin and Barr join forces. A Ron Paul coalition?
Ron Paul is a once in a lifetime candidate and our hero. Nothing changes that.
Let's Raise the Barr
I wish you much success at the Republican Convention and if Ron Paul is nominated then I will support him and I dare say the Libertarian Party will, too. However, I am not going to drop my support for Bob Barr, the Libertarian Presidential candidate. Barr will be on at least 48 state ballots and maybe 50. He is speaking out for individual liberty and against big government and violations of the Constitution every other day on TV. In the latest Zogby poll, Barr is at 6% nationwide, with 10% in New Hampshire and 9% in Nevada. If he can get to 10% nationwide in 3 polls, he will meet the criteria for the first Presidential debate sponsored by Google in September. Then our voice will be heard by millions of Americans who will learn about liberty and how we can restore peace and prosperity. Barr has changed his views, all for the better, since he served in Congress. I am sure most of us have changed our views for the better, too. Life is a learning experience and if our movement is to grow we must accept new people and embrace effective spokespeople. I respect those libertarians who choose to work within the Republican Party. But I am going to keep on working for Bob Barr because, realistically, he is on the front line of the battle for Liberty now.
We are Allies
Just look at the modern Republican and Democrat party.
I wish all Republicans would come to their senses and change their minds like Barr did.
That is our goal around here. If the ones in office do not change then we throw them out. Barr got thrown out. He then stepped back and looked at his time in office and realized his mistakes. I have a hard time seeing how his run is not good for us and Paul.
drop Barr
How can I 'drop' him? I haven't voted for anyone yet. I'm researching options. I researched Reverend Baldwin, I researched Mr. Barr and I've even read through Obama's and McCain's issues pages. I love Dr. Paul - what a rare candidate! The convention is coming fast, then we can all settle down and make our choices.
I agree
Concentrate on the RPR but.....can't we f*rt and chew gum at the same time??
"The first thing a man will do for his ideals is lie"
-Joseph A. Schumpeter
"What does conservatism today stand for? It stands for war. It stands for power. It stands for spying, jailing without trial, torture, counterfeiting without limit, and lying from morning to night."
Lew Rockwell
Probably
NOT and do them both justice :-) If something is worth doing, it is worth more than a little sweat, and it should be done well and with full enthusiasm.
IT'S DOABLE
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I think it's ok for people to do both but....
you all are probably right; there's still a lot of people to convert by November! and no reason to stop trying. And Ron Paul is the reason we are all here at all.
"What does conservatism today stand for? It stands for war. It stands for power. It stands for spying, jailing without trial, torture, counterfeiting without limit, and lying from morning to night."
Lew Rockwell
WOW We reject a man who we converted....
Let me try to understand the Anti-Barr bias...So we beat this man in his home state in GA, and he then took a step back and realized the errors of his way, changed his positions, and is now with us in our fight for liberty.......WE CONVERT the man, and then we proceed to hammer away on his past...I don't find that as very intelligent...
WE NEED TO SUPPORT HIM TO GET INTO THE DEBATES! IF HE'S NOT IN THE DEBATES WHO WILL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF LIMITED GOVERNMENT AND THE CORE PRINCIPLES OF OUR MOVEMENT? MCCAIN? OBAMA? STOP THE HATE AND AT LEAST REALIZE THAT HE IS A STEP FORWARD FROM THE BIG GOV. POLICIES! THIS REVOLUTION WILL COME IN SMALL STEPS AND WILL TAKE TIME! WE NEED PEOPLE TO HEAR OUR MAIN MESSAGE, AND BARR IS OUR ONLY SHOT IN SPREADING THE MESSAGE IN THE DEBATES. WE NEED HIM!
ya know I will agree with
ya know I will agree with you on that! I cannot vote for barr.. my vote will go to baldwin, but I would like to see him in the debates! he is not an enemy but still/ I'm tired of being lied to!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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I have moved past the anti Barr crap. Am I as excited about Barr, no. Will I donate as much to Barr, no. Do I think Barr believes everything I do, no. But, will I vote for him and encourage McCain and Obama supporters to vote for him, YES.
Nothing against Baldwin, but as you say Barr has a good chance of getting into the debates. That means issues we care deeply about could be on the national stage again. Even if he voted a certain way, he will make our case on many issues.
and if he were to get in to
and if he were to get in to the debates is he going to say he will stop the Iraq war immedietly? is he going to want the income tax abolished!, is he wanting to stop the federal reserve or will he just go along to get along.. will he explain why the war on drugs is a useless waste of money and time? or will he pander to get votes?
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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You think Baldwin is against
You think Baldwin is against the war on drugs? From what I've seen he tend to defer to states right and avoid personal opinion all together. At least Barr now lobbies for the Marijuana Policy Project.
http://www.mpp.org/states/texas/news/bob-barr-vs-bob-barr.html
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12640
Have you even bothered to do any research?
http://www.libertymaven.com/2008/07/11/the-ron-paul-paul-o-m...
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"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
So you want him out of the debates?
Yes, he wants out of Iraq immediately...you know what, just look at his site and get the facts there...I'm tired of defending Barr like he is Satan , and if we vote for him and God forbid he wins, we might actually have moved closer to liberty...
I GIVE UP
Your are right, It is a lost Cause...
TAJITJ, I just can't stand people BASHING Barr as if he weren't on our side, don't they recognize that he is not the enemy??...It is just so hard for me to accept the slander, lies, and shortsightedness of some members on this site in regards to Barr and his campaign in relation to the whole scheme in the Revolution movement...They just keep there eyes in the present with zero regard for the future, and it's so hard for me to stomach cause I want liberty here as soon as possible. Barr is on our side, and he can help us bring about our goals faster than without him.
before or after he voted for
before or after he voted for the war on drugs, the patriot act ETC. ETC. ETC!
ZEBRAS don't change there stripes! has barr said he is going to stop the war in Iraq and eliminate the federal reserve? I havn't seen it!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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Fortunately we aren't
Fortunately we aren't zebras, we're human.
You haven't seen anything because you refuse to look. You're sitting at a computer and can't google "barr foreign policy" "barr monetary policy" "barr drug policy"
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"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
Perhaps Barr planned on coming to the march
but got kicked off the bus he had payed to ride on by Baldwin supporters who didn't like that he was supporting himself?
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BOB on my knob BARR---- in a
BOB on my knob BARR---- in a video telling about his vote for the patriot act.. and you guys want this guy to represent you??!!!!
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/367.html
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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http://www.americanfreedo...
http://www.americanfreedomagenda.org/
You wanna stand that up against Obama's agenda be my guest.
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obamas agenda??? what about
obamas agenda??? what about mccains? your going to tell me that barr has done a 180?? the ONLY CHOICE IS RON PAUL! and if not him the ONLY OTHER CHOICE IS BALDWIN!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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McCain is mostly irrelevant
McCain is mostly irrelevant he can never overcome the lack of an actual base. He's only relevant in that we need to convert his delegates. But he will never be president. Barr is not competing with Paul and if he was would not Baldwin be competing as well? No, i do not believe this is the case.
Similarly to McCain's vote split problem. Barr and Baldwin have the same sort of issue. Come November, unless the Barr backers fall back to Baldwin, then the dilution of support prevents Barr from being effective. Unfortunately, not enough is being done to get Baldwin national recognition. That brings us back to Barr who can possibly get into the debates. This is like two sprained ankles, which leg do you limp on? Unless you bust your @$$ and get Baldwin in the debates. The only possibility to get any of our issue on the table is threw Barr. If by chance both attain significant nation recognition the Barr backers will have to move to support Baldwin or they lose to the anti-Barr's just as McCain will lose to the anti-McCain's.
Consider in hindsight of the Clinton/Dole/Perot race. Those who supported Dole sank their own ship and they know it. Had they given into Perot they could have salvaged at least something. Instead they gave it to Clinton. The Gore/Bush/Nader race is similar in this way although Nader never got into the debates. I'm sure they reflected back on the Clinton/Dole/Perot race which is why they kept Nader as far away as posible and even so still hung themselves. If Dems wanted to actually salvage the prospect of a non-Bush presidency they could have voted Nader but chose to shoot themselves instead. Now that both sides have experienced that same pain. This should all be a reminder of what they face this year.
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Speaking of InSane's irrelevance...
Look at this article. The picture alone says it all.
Vote Republicrat '08!
Woah!!!
That's disturbing.
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"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
Let's use a little reason, Please.
I'm trying ot be brief because I don' t think most of you are capable of changing your minds because your so entrenched in your opinions, but may I ask a few question...with regard to the last couple of posts I really don't see the supposed argument.
In one posts, one mention the notion that they just don't trust him, but maybe in 2012 I will. What is there to trust?! Let's face it he's not going to win, so what on God's earth is their to trust? He is saying the right things now, and that is all you should trust because after November the presidential election and subsequently, Barr's campaign is over. Now, Let's say he wins the election, is that really such a bad thing? Either Obama or Mccain are going to win, and any one of us would rather have Barr in the White House. What he is saying now is what most of us would overwhelmingly agree with and they are further getting into mainstream with the Time magazine article "The (Not-so) Lunatic fringe. His message of liberty and limited government is going mainstream and why are we here trying to halt the forward progress? Rome wasn't built in a day...
Now to the post about Barr being a Neo-con plant...This attack to me is almost hysterically funny but it shouldn't be because the truth is conspiracy theorists believe it as gospel. Do you even consider using a minutiae of reason behind that attack? Why would the Neo-Cons plant Barr? So he could help John Mccain lose? I don't think that would be very productive on your part...Try to find a shred of reasoned, logical argument in support of you theory before you continue to slander the man wrongfully.
If you dog starts quacking, will you believe he is a duck?
I would suggest that maybe you are trusting too easily and the fact of the matter is that Bob Barr has not proven himself to be a libertarian. I was the one who mentioned I might consider voting for him in 2012, but only if we can't bring the Republican Party some sanity before then...because that will give him 4 years to show us he is a long-term, truly reformed libertarian supporting true conservatism. I don't think he has it in him, frankly, because of his record. Do you believe that if he talks the talk, without a reliable record of walking the walk, then after years of being otherwise, you trust him? You trust him enough to vote for him to lead the country? You trust him enough to campaign for him when we have other work to do?
Yes, of course, there have been other party takeovers, but what about those Libertarians who are not happy with Barr...who believe he is there to "Republicanize" their beliefs and only to get a nomination and use their support to his advantage?
You may laugh, but let's say I am a discouraged Paul supporter (I'm not), but let's assume I am. Bob Barr, who is quite well known in Republican circles, is put in a candidacy position within the Libertarian Party and instead of fighting on for Ron Paul, I do the easy and expected thing, and do everything I can to support Bob Barr. As you stated, what's the problem if Bob Bar "is not going to win" anyway? Well, the problem, my friend, is that now the Ron Paul supporters are further diluted, attention distracted, and not spending their time wisely. In turn, this makes things much easier for the Republican Party to stay the same Good Old Boys party, they need to continue to marginalize the importance of Ron Paul and his support. So, thank you very much Bob Barr and all those who have jumped on his bandwagon. You know, maybe it is the Democrats who are running Bob Barr....whoever, his run does not benefit Ron Paul and very possibly does benefit the Republican and Democratic Parties, because as you alluded to "Bob Bar will not win."
Laugh all you want. Laugh yourself into supporting a loser who will only detract from our efforts. If you are only a Bob Barr supporter, please return to DailyBarr. If Barack Obama changed his name to "Walter Williams" and you like the Walter Williams would you then vote for him?
IT'S DOABLE
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You really have to stop
You really have to stop living in denial. Paul LOST, perhaps you didn't read about it, but the man lost the race! In a heartbeat, I would have voted for him for President if he had won, which I tried my best to make happen. If he had won, I would have done anything to campaign for him. If it meant closing my business to live on cheese crackers I would have done it. He was the best of the best.
But, he lost and he didn't want to run on a third party line. That was his choice, he had his reasons as much as I personally disagree with them. The bottom line is, you will not have a chance to vote for him on a ballot, other then writing him in on the ballots of states where that is allowed, but even that can not be done across the country. So its time to come out of denial, and accept reality. Support Baldwin or Barr or some other choice that is still running. Ron Paul is no longer running for anything except Congress, that is reality and there is nothing you can do to change that.
So, perhaps you can tell me who WON!???
You apparently do not read DailyPaul often, or you would know you are wrong. It is sad you appear weak in your resolve to your commitment to Dr. Paul. I do not have to stop anything...it is out of my control, as it is out of your control.
Is it likely that Ron Paul will be on the ballot, no...but is it possible. I will not, nor will many, be voting for Barr or even Baldwin...or, at least not giving it any thought until after the convention. Why you fail to see the reason for that, is beyond me. I am here on DailyPAUL as a supporter of Ron Paul and the tasks he has set before us. If that is not your reason for being here, if you don't understand why Barr in particular might be a tool of the political machine, that is your perogative.
Do you not understand the concept of a "suspended campaign" and competition as opposed to a withdrawal? Ron Paul...did you not hear him...encouraged us to go forward and to win as many delegates as possible and to be present at the convention. Ron Paul does not have to "run" for congress, it is his...he has no opposition. If he were "no longer running" he would have resigned his campaign, endorsed another candidate (probably Baldwin), and instructed his delegates to that effect. Please quit misleading people. Dr. Paul is still the best of the best and he has lost nothing and has much more to gain than any of the 3rd party candidate and a better chance of gaining it, too.
There is a force now and a pressure on the government to perform...no matter who the next president is...because the Ron Paul people are gaining strength, force and Ron Paul has had an imprint on history. There's more to do!
IT'S DOABLE
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You say LOST as in past
You say LOST as in past tense and yet the convention is still a ways off and anything can happen between now and then. I agree with some of your premise in other posts but I reject conceding defeat. There is fine line between being realistic and poisoning your own mind.
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