Ron Paul Demands That the Creation/Evolution Arguments Cease--They are Diminishing Our Efforts

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Ron Paul Demands That the Creation/Evolution Arguments Cease--They are Diminishing Our Efforts

Lately the forum has been littered with endless arguments, and Ron Paul has noticed. Remember what he said at DC? Anyone? It was an obvious call to end these distractions:

“The magnificent thing over the past year and a half is that we have rallied with people coming together. And I have found that—you see it all the time—the message of liberty and the constitution–IT BRINGS US TOGETHER REGARDLESS OF OUR PERSONAL BELIEFS!!! *huge roar from crowd* If you know and understand what the first amendment is all about and what freedom is all about, we can take a crowd like this and what your personal religious beliefs are, are not relevant. They're relevant to you and to your family and children and all-- that's very important-- and what you do in your community, BUT in a FREE SOCIETY it's really not relevant. What we have to do is agree that we have freedom of CHOICE and social behavior!”

-Ron Paul
July 12, 2008
D.C. Rally

Ron Paul is obviously very upset that we are arguing amongst ourselves! It is only what the other side wants!!!! The NWO would love to see the REVOLUTION fall apart over these issues. In fact, it may be them instigating it...think about it...you never know! What you believe is very important to you. My beliefs are extremely important to me, but whether or not we agree is irrelevant to this Revolution. Do you want to move forward, or backward? Personally I refuse to post on those Creation/Evolution Topics, because I do not want to encourage distraction. If you feel compelled to spread your beliefs, fine, but do it where it will not backtrack from our mission. Build your own website—go somewhere else—there’s plenty of space on the net—don’t pollute what building spirit this movement has collected.

A CALL TO ACTION

1. Do not post another topic on those matters
2. Do not respond to topics on those matters, you will only bump them and encourage further disputes

-Much Luv

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I would think that if Ron

I would think that if Ron Paul read this post he would kindly ask you to stop speaking for him. You are making a lot of assumptions from his speech.

Religious beliefs are not relevant

I agree completely, however, actions that you take because of your religious beliefs may be relevant. As long as you neither break my leg nor pick my pocket, because of your religious belief, fine.

But - Using government to enforce your religious beliefs, for example teaching of creationism - is wrong, Using force to try to insist that a religious belief is actually a sceintific belief is wrong. Further, you can not expect to be allowed to hide stupidity behind religious belief. While I would not persecute the snake dancers or scientologists for their believes, I will not accept that their beliefs are irrelevant either, their beliefs can do damage tom society in general, and me in particular ( for example, if one of their snakes gets loose, and bites me)

ironman77 I agree...

Its my opinion you are aware of the situation here, as well as with the big picture for the most part. We have just witnessed individual rights as they are related to individual belief(s) and that has fortunately been dispensed in a factual and transparent fashion here.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/55443

I may be mistaken from an overly optimistic viewpoint, but I do not think the Fine Dr. would have removed any comments, be them true or false. The truth shall always reveal the untrue eventually given time.

Just as we have seen truth through action here, it offers me insight into individuals concern(s). My individual concern is a mindset that anticipates an "Armageddon", and its belief in a better place. The kind similar to the people who are suppose to get x-number of virgins for their self-sacrifice and whatever else they optimistically anticipate and or are promised.

I think 2012 is an important date for some as was the year 2000, among others. As long as we as a species do not prematurely destroy our world we will learn the truth on many subjects, though I myself am concerned with a strategy I've seen that works very well and that is to suppress evidence and information that could possibly reveal and or tell the truth about issues that are yet unexplained...

Its in my opinion and I take full responsibility for same, that you cannot forever suppress the truth honestly.... What will happen, will happen, [ENJOY TODAY]... Regards

What you believe to be true, is true to you... "until you change your mind"

What you believe to be true, is true to you... "until you change your mind"

All these threads prove is

All these threads prove is that there are a lot of folks who are so desperate to urinate in other peoples' cornflakes that they'll obsess over religion in a political Forum.

Not that there is such a thing as "off topic", but in my opinion there is definitely such a thing as wasting energy stirring false controversy.

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Once again, you make the

Once again, you make the mistake of calling it controversial when unbelievers speak their minds, while remaining blind to the controversy created by believers who continuously spout off about their religion.

If it were possible to have a forum where everyone agreed to censor themselves regarding religious topics, that might alleviate the clash of ideas. But I'd rather have one where we can discuss everything openly, where unbelievers are allowed an equal voice and are not condemned for lacking a belief in unverifiable claims.

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Mr. Tuma

Would you be so kind to as explain what you mean as [false controversy], as you've stated "wasting energy stirring false controversy."? Thank you...

What you believe to be true, is true to you... "until you change your mind"

True believer

Now is not the time to debate your Religion. If you and I do not have Liberty we cannot even discuss those beliefs. Keep to the message, not your message but the message of freedom!

Listen to the Battle Hymn of the Republic.
Man was born to be free and independent

No Jesus Christ- no liberty.

Without the Christian religion, you have NO liberties except the ones allowed by man. Can you not understand the Declaration? And embracing the French Declaration of the Rights of Man will produce something better in America? grow-up.

Culture is Religion externalized.

A Wise Man Once Said

"Like the bee gathering honey from the different flowers, the wise person
accepts the essence of the different scriptures and sees only the good in all religions."
Mohandas K. Gandhi

no I actually just responded to this post

Not everyone thinks it is funny. I know I sure didn't find the humor in it. accept the fact that you side yourself with someone that believes in God.
It's getting harder and harder to take this kind of reason and logic very seriously.

Satan here.
On July 17th, 2008 devourerofsouls says:
.Thought I'd jump in and clear the air. Hope you don't mind.

I am very fond of Extreme Christians. They tend to make perfect screamers. Here in hell, we need the entertainment. Shucks. There's nothing on cable lately.

So, Rainey, I'll be seeing you one day. I won't be dressed in red. It pales me out terribly and I can never find the right shade of shoes to match.:)

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Get in line. No pushing, no shoving. All souls are taken one at a time, in the order in which they are recieved.

Thank you.

I think it is interesting you chose to be satan

Did you know.

Job 1:6-7

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. 7 And the LORD said to Satan , "From where do you come?"

He presents himself before the LORD because even he knows that that that he is no higher in rank than the sons of God. He only talks the ignorant into worshiping him as if he was equal to God and they fall for his lies. Pretty much like ignorant people fall for fox news lies. Just like their father (satan) his followers love themselves to their deaths. There is no humbleness in them. The only thing is satan is not as stupid as his veiwers he still bows the knee to his master (the LORD) You chose satan to offend him and satan witnesses against you that even he believes in God and bends the knee to him in reverance. So are you saying you share the veiws of your father. I also see your brothers also believe. hmm even your brother are smart enough to tremble. Wow seems like logoic and reason has taken a beating over the last 4000 years.

James 2:18-24
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe — and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

Rainy this scripture is good for you also the work that justified Abraham is the cicumcision. That is a shadowing of the baptizm that was to come through John the baptist so repentance works with baptizm both faith and baptizm testify to a mans being born again. There are two tesimonies to salvation if you repent you have one but you are not justified without the other. also I might add no sacrifice was ever laid on the alter without first going through water for cleansing. Every person that was baptized in the bible was baptized in the name of Jesus. Acts 2:38 my friend.

And you think God has no plan?

Luke 11:14-23

And He was casting out a demon, and it was mute. So it was, when the demon had gone out, that the mute spoke; and the multitudes marveled. 15 But some of them said,"He casts out demons by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons."

16 Others, testing Him, sought from Him a sign from heaven. 17 But He, knowing their thoughts, said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and a house divided against a house falls. 18 If Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? Because you say I cast out demons by Beelzebub. 19 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. 20 But if I cast out demons with the finger of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 21 When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are in peace. 22 But when a stronger than he comes upon him and overcomes him, he takes from him all his armor in which he trusted, and divides his spoils. 23 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

as for those who do not believe in unaleinable rights:

If you haven't noticed the mob in the united states has already been tricked into believing there rights come from man (nature) and they have already sold them for a price (welfare, money for public scool, student loans). Why haven't you joined your evolutionist brothers and sold your? Are you waiting for a higher bid. Why are you here? Do you think you can make me believe this great lie and thus give up my unalienable rights and trade them for natures rights. Sounds a little like the UN rights to me. I think I'll pass on those rights and keep the ones I already have thank you. Mine are unaleinable they are not for sale. I couldn't sell them if I tried. I tell you what the next time your father goes to talk to the LORD maybe you could go with him and ask God if he will sell you my rights. Let me know what he says when you get back.

Chose to be Satan?

Dr. Paul has asked us to "cease and desist" -- are you calling Ron Paul, Satan?

Please Michael, can we get some moderation?!

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“Elections are short term efforts; revolutions are long term projects.”

--Ron Paul

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Can you believe this? The

Can you believe this? The Daily Paul theocrats are now directly calling other members "Satan."

Simply astonishing.

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(laughing) Oh they wish!

But, truly, I am the ONLY Satan.

Who else could think to dress hateful sinners in Vera Wang, with matching shackles and manage to pull it off? !

They are so good-looking when I set them on fire!

So much better than the drab white cotton robes God chose as his uniform policy.

I keep telling him he needs to add more color, the brat.

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Get in line. No pushing, no shoving. All souls are taken one at a time, in the order in which they are recieved.

Thank you.

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Get in line. No pushing, no shoving. All souls are taken one at a time, in the order in which they are recieved.

Thank you.

Actually, I can.

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Lisa C.

“Elections are short term efforts; revolutions are long term projects.”

--Ron Paul

Join the rEVOLution here: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

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what efforts...

did it diminish???

"A Republic is not argument free or a tranquil form of representation, unless it has become a Dictatorship."

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

almost absurd

There's something about the combination of internet forums and the psychology of the human ego that brings out endless variations on a conversation you'll recognize from childhood:

A: "Yer stoopid."

B: "I know you are but what am I?"

A: "Yer so stoopid."

B: "I know you are but what am I?"

The variations are endless and quite annoying. However, occassionally there's something enlightening, too, from our many intelligent posters that makes sifting through the crap worthwhile. I guess you just don't take the non-sense so seriously. And try not to attack the messengers.

Why does the false title

Why does the false title remain? Paul did not say what the title says he did.

Period.

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Creation/Evolution Debates on DailyPaul web site

I agree with this post. Such debates are pointless, inappropriate for this venue, and divisive. Let's listen to Dr. Paul on this one and knock it off.

Unity on a Lie, is no unity.

Unity on a Lie, is no unity. Even Kusinich recognizes that truth is everything.

Culture is Religion externalized.

Unity Through the Constitution

Unity Through the Constitution of the United States of America is not unity on a lie...it is unity through the TRUTH, and that unity scares the administration. When we unify through the Constitution, nothing can stop us... not even our personal beliefs.... and that is the last thing THEY want!

U.N. Charter

The ideas embedded in the constitution were taken directly out of the Bible. Ditch the God of the Bible and your left with a document like the charter of the U.N. or the French Declaration of the Rights of Man. Is that what you want to live under?

Culture is Religion externalized.

I don't even have the

I don't even have the strength to continue refuting the "Christian Nation" nonsense, but that's what it is: nonsense.

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Bull crap

If Paul did in fact say, " BUT in a FREE SOCIETY it's really not relevant", Dr. Paul is 100% wrong. America was founded on Christ, for the advancement of the gospel of Christ. From the Mayflower Compact, state constitutions, declaration and fedeal constitution, including the Northwest Ordinance. I understand the God hating humanists desire "to be their own gods", but this French Revolutionary ideal will sink American liberties. No God, no liberties. If you think the evolutionary, dog eat dog, survival of the fittest "theory's" are going to protect everyones liberties, you probably think Fox news is fair and balanced.
Culture is a reflection of the predominant religion of that culture. No, there is no neutrality, you are either for Christ or against Christ. What you believe will be expressed in the culture. God will not be mocked.

Culture is Religion externalized.

Satan here.

.Thought I'd jump in and clear the air. Hope you don't mind.

I am very fond of Extreme Christians. They tend to make perfect screamers. Here in hell, we need the entertainment. Shucks. There's nothing on cable lately.

So, Rainey, I'll be seeing you one day. I won't be dressed in red. It pales me out terribly and I can never find the right shade of shoes to match.:)

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Get in line. No pushing, no shoving. All souls are taken one at a time, in the order in which they are recieved.

Thank you.

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Get in line. No pushing, no shoving. All souls are taken one at a time, in the order in which they are recieved.

Thank you.

This guy is going to be

This guy is going to be tolerant of religious liberty.

Culture is Religion externalized.

Red pales me out too!

LMAO! And there are too many shades of it to find the right shoes!!! What the heck is a girl to do? The horns interfere with my coiffure also...so I'll pass on those!

In my belief...the journey to spirituality is the journey to your own humanity...the more human you are the more godlike you are ...and that is the genious of God. My God has many names and does not kill or condem those that choose not to identify as a superior group.

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

"Dr. Paul is 100% wrong."

Does that mean you'll be leaving us Rainey?

From the tone of your post, you might feel more comfortable in the McCain camp.

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Lisa C.

“Elections are short term efforts; revolutions are long term projects.”

--Ron Paul

Join the rEVOLution here: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

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no statism here

My ancestors bleed so your god hating rants could have a public forum. Your ignorant of what the messages left us mean because of your humanist deconstructionist public education has filled your pea brain and by your own admission your heart is black. Read William Bradford's journal, On Plymouth Plantation. You might be able to see that the idea of private property comes directly from God's moral Law, the 8th. But you libertine, do it my way, assholes will have to learn the hard way.

Culture is Religion externalized.

"Dr. Paul is 100% wrong."

I repeat: Does that mean you'll be leaving us Rainey?

I repeat: From the tone of your post, you might feel more comfortable in the McCain camp.

Firstly, I'm not a libertine. One cannot be libertine and libertarian. I am libertarian.

Secondly, I mention nothing about God in my posts so your assumptions are unwarranted.

Thirdly, I am a member of DAR so don't give me your "bleeding ancestors" BS. Most of us here have ancestors that bled for one cause or another so get off your high horse. You are not more or less special than any other DPer.

It's obvious from your posts that you no longer agree with Dr. Paul and will continue to be a "divider". Please take your foul language and aggressiveness and find a forum that better suits your needs..

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Lisa C.

“Elections are short term efforts; revolutions are long term projects.”

--Ron Paul

Join the rEVOLution here: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!