Where Does Your Allegiance Lie: With the Constitution, or the Bible?

For I am the problem and the solution in my world.

And Jesus was my savior.

And Mohammed was a prophet from God.

Genuflect to Samuel/God to be judged and lament, but not to a Pharaoh, Pope, King or President.

I am unsure, but understanding of the Baba/Bau.

I believe Baha'u'llah/Bahai knows god's true name and Marko Rodin brought it to fame.

Gilgamesh is a mystery to me, but Sumer bloodlines are not.

I am a patriot, not a prostitute. I don't live my life to be remembered. I live it to be forgot.

And let live that live. But be nobody's fool. Subscribe to Choson Ninja on YouTube. A Revolution of Ninja's would be way cool! But those who would be evil, those who would oppose good. Via Cults of personality, televisions, or friends in the hood. If they were to try to harm me in any way. I'd hope hope to not kill them. So I can play them in chess with their nose someday.

"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."

Ghengis Khan

and sat on the witness stand. They would instruct me to put my hand on the Bible and raise my other hand and swear to tell the truth. The courts are an arm of the Federal government, the Judicial System. The Judicial System decides if the bills that are passed by Congress are Constitutional.

Not sure what you are asking. There are a lot of faiths out there with lots of different biblical laws. Maybe, you need to come with an example where there would be a conflict.

Why can't Christianity and the Constitution co- exist, they have from the beginning?

I have no feeling on this one way or the other. You seem to feel that Christianity is tearing the country apart or upside down. Do I read this correctly? There are people who CALL themselves Christian but I think the real question is. ARE they? Ron Paul is a Christian. He practices his faith. There are people who talk the talk but their are few will walk the talk. Peace

First a personal observation: Once when visiting the Jefferson Memorial in D.C. at sunrise on a peaceful, beautiful, Saturday morning in spring, I was struck by the eternal and spiritual quality of the quotes inscribed on the interior walls of the dome. I concluded that the words had to be inspired by an eternal being... whom I believe to be God. I get the same sense when I read the Constitution.

Second, my life before including God and after are like two very different people. Before God I was always looking for the awesome thing or experience in life. After God, everyday - without fail - brings some awesome experience. An endless flow of grace, mercy, love, miracles, liberty, adventure, personal growth and prosperity.

To me the Bible and The Constitution are inseperable. If I deny either I deny both. But as important and seminal as they both are they are just 'things'. Their value, wisdom, power and 'life' come from God.

If they were both banned or taken from the earth I would be sustained by my relationship to God which cannot be destroyed because it's spiritual and transends all things - even death.

Just like the Bible, I believe, the Constitution was an inspired work. So I also believe they are written on the hearts of men who hunger for their principles.

To answer the question: My allegiance lies with God, the creator of both. And as such, the Bible and the Constitution are instructions and designs to be obeyed.

"PunJab! Bring me my checkbook!"

the word citizen was not in the constitution until the fourteenth amendment.
But the word Citizen was. You need to pay attention to this detail.
Citizen written with a capital "C" "Citizen" has a completely different legal definition than "citizen" written with the lower case "c".
This is very basic but very important. Because if you describe yourself as a citizen with a lower case "c" you have just given up your rights under the first ten amendments to the constitution.
What will it take for people to realize the devil is in the details.
The fourteenth amendment though never ratified but illegally adapted by the congress created a new type of citizen. A citizen with a lower case "c" with limited priviligis and subject to the whim and wishes of congress.
When you make a statement of what you are, you are in fact declaring yourself to be a legal definition which the powers that be will take as fact and hold you to. So if you say you are a citizen you come under a different legal jurisdiction then if you declare yourself to be a Citizen.

Don't go away mad or even go away at all, your dull sword makes our swords sharper.
If you want to deny God's existence that's your right, but when eternity comes you must let God have His right to deny your existence.
Good luck in the end you'll need it.
JonQ.Publik

I would be content to see die. Vive la Constitution! The real thing, however, would not make me choose between the Constitution and it. The Bible itself commands me to uphold the law of the land as long as it does not force me to violate my conscience-so this question is really a counterfactual hypothetical.

BTW- I like you and your way of contrasting ideas.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

The Bible. I want to be able to stone my wife and kids to death if they disobey me.
www.paulforronpaul.com

Hey Phoobaar,

I'm making this post in an effort to get you (and all your atheist friends) to stay here at the dp.

Unfortunately, I have to start by saying I disagree with you about being persecuted and censored and what not. You all are just too sensitive. If you can't deal with the level of religiosity that appears here, quoting bible verses, etc., you need to just go away, suck your thumb in a corner for a while, and grow up.

Having said that, I would be happy to see Nystrom delete many a religious thread (or religious post) because it detracts from the mission of the site (not at all because I'm offended---in fact, maybe because *you* might be offended). It's a delicate line to determine and Nystrom has limited time for such nonsense. But it's clear that many of the religious threads (including your atheist ones) are not tending in any useful direction.

And this is the point. I'd like to see you stay, but if you can't get it through your head that the number of Christians who are actually going to persecute you in any significant way (beyond quoting bible verses and telling you they think you're wrong, when they think you are) is so small that they can almost be completely ignored in general---and certainly can be ignored here on the dp, then you're not really interested in the mission of this site, and I won't miss you if you leave, or lurk, or pout or whatever. Likewise, the Christians who are delusional to the point that they think their religion is going to effect any positive change in this country without the help of those who think it's a bunch of crap probably don't have much to contribute here. I'd like them to get off the evangelistic bandwagon and sensitivity wagons too.

Again, I'm not saying there are not Christians who want to convert or kill all atheists. There are relatively few of them, however. Likewise, I'm sure there are a few atheists who want to convert or kill all Christians. They're not about to take over either.

Secondly, if you're going to post, try to make useful posts. People like you have been repeatedly encouraged by others here with responses stroking your egos and telling you how clever you are and so forth AND that you should turn your energies toward some useful end. Why can't you produce any posts that that are useful to the mission of the site? What is the point of this silly thread for example? As several people have pointed out below, you just have your atheist agenda, and nothing else. How about what is more important to you atheism or liberty? If you were given the choice between giving up your atheism or your liberty, which would it be. To which do you have more allegiance. No doubt you think that is a stupid question. If so, maybe you can see how the other side views your question. Maybe you can grow up and work constructively toward freedom in this country.

You atheists don't need to convert all the Christians in the movement. You Christians don't need to convert all the atheists in the movement. I *shouldn't* need to convince everyone in the movement to become non-religious. If we need to do such things, then there is no hope.