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Why Ron Paul does not want morality legislated

Ron Paul has stated that he is a Christian...so why is he so unlike the Christian Right ? I think it all comes down to one of the best statements on the topic I have ever heard . Ron Paul said this:

YOU DON'T DICTATE. YOU DON'T LEGISLATE VIRTUE. IN A FREE SOCIETY, YOU DO THAT FROM THE PEOPLE – FROM YOUR FAMILY, YOUR FRIENDS, AND YOUR NEIGHBORS BUT NOT IN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. ALSO YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE ECONOMIC FAIRNESS, LIKE SO MANY WANT TO DO. FREEDOM MEANS FREEDOM. IT MEANS THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE VERY SMALL. ALSO, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE MANY GOOD QUALITIES, THAT YOU ACCEPT THE PRINCIPLE THAT WE CAN PROMOTE OUR QUALITIES AND FORCE THEM ON OTHER PEOPLE AT RISK, YOU ARE IN BIG TROUBLE. BECAUSE THERE IS A TRUE PHENOMENON CALLED “BLOW BACK” AND PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO HAVE THEIR COUNTRIES OCCUPIED. AND THEY WILL RESENT IT AND WE WILL SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES FROM THIS ....

AND ONCE AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE FROM A CHRISTIAN VIEWPOINT. YOU KNOW THE TRUE DOCTRINE OF WAR WRITTEN BY CHRISTIANITY, THE DOCTRINE OF NON-WAR, THE JUST WAR, IS THAT YOU DO IT ONLY UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. YOU DON'T DO IT FOR U.N. RESOLUTIONS, YOU DON'T DO IT FOR WEAPONS THAT DON'T EXIST. YOU NEED TO DO IT WITH A MORAL JUSTIFICATION. IF WE WOULD HAVE DECLARED THE WAR LIKE I INSISTED THEY SHOULD IF THEY WANT TO GO TO WAR, WE WOULDN'T BE DEBATING THE WAR NOW. IT WOULD BE OVER AND WE'D ALL BE A LOT BETTER OFF AND WE WOULD HAVE 5,000 AMERICANS STILL ALIVE AND 30,000 UNINJURED!

September 17, 2007-- 220th anniversary of the Constitution

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whos morality? who picks?

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iwhen the Judiciary or we use opinion, the end is near...

Jefferson on the Judiciary branch:
"The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please." [Sept 6, 1819]

"You seem to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarcy...The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal...knowing that to whatever hands confided, with corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots." [Sept 28, 1820 letter to William Jarvis]

"The germ of dissolution of our federal government is in the constitution of the federal Judiciary."

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

as a Christian I don't want

as a Christian I don't want morality legislated either.. all it does is turn people off to the gospel.... Ron Paul is a devout Christian, threw him you see the witness of Jesus! he has done more to promote Christ just being the way he is!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

Thank's libera_me,

for posting this quote. The first part is just a gem of conservative humanism! Nothin more can be said about "well-intentioned" ideas like political correctness or affirmative action.
The second part may be much more controversial. It's a moral point I can accept, though I don't agree.

Dr. Paul cured my apathy

Ron Paul was right

You're welcome...someone on another thread -

suggested someone propose this topic, so I decided to bring up the quotes from the Values Voter Debate.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

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Dr. Paul cured my apathy

Ron Paul was right

If you can't "legislate virtue",

then you can't have laws against murder, assault, theft, kidnapping, rape, incest, perjury, etc.

Legislating virtue could mean that you think laws will make people good. In this case it's true, you can't legislate morality. Or legislating morality could mean that it's the state's job to punish evil doers and reward good. Then the question arises: who decides what good and evil is. Legislating morality is a given, it's just a question of whose morality gets legislated--Muslim (sharia morality), Hindu (any one for suttee or little girls forced into temple prostitution?), secular humanism (look where that's gotten us), pagan (human sacrifice), Christian?

Human Sacrifice?

Hang out with pagans much these days?

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I understand your point...

I think what Ron Paul ment is that we cannot legislate our personal morality, but I think he would agree that there are common ground areas of morality that support a free society (murder and theft being prohibited are two examples).

Paul also says in Freedom Under Siege (1987) that even though we are not to legislate morality, all legislation is -ultimately- founded in morality. Yes, the people decided on that morality, but they are responsible to decide rightly or wrongly.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Logically then,

I agree of course the government should not legislate morality.

But you then use a Christian theory to determine what the government should do regarding war - is that not a contradiction?

Mayberry

From my understanding of what you are saying is that because the Just War Doctrine was written by Christians that it must be Christian due to association, However, if this were true, wouldn't those of us who aren't Christians be hypocrites if we don't murder or steal. There are two commandments that say we shouldn't do either. Or do we not do it because it is morally wrong because you are taking away someone else's rights and/or you happen to agree with the commandment(s). So going back to the Doctrine, I don't think Dr. Paul and many others necessarily use this because it is from Christians, but because it is the most objective and fair way to decide whether or not to go to war.

I thought the same thing.

I thought the same thing. The way I see it, the role of the federal government is to protect our freedom and protect currency, and provide national defense. The government has no place defining marriage and education curriculum, and so forth.

We are a Christian nation founded on those principles of do not kill (unless in self defense) thus the just war theory. Since that is part of what the fed gov should do, then it applies.

I was actually quoting Ron Paul here,

which is why I used all caps- But honestly, I do believe the Idea of a humble foreign policy, even if it can be tied to a Christian principle, is the best policy, Just as Ron Paul does. He was trying to appeal to a Christian audience, from our tradition, but Thomas Jefferson, whom many would argue was not a Christian, would likely agree with the position, if not the association with Augustine.

It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15